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@Zeichen
@SamStevens
@AngelofDeath
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@Vader
Fair enough. I am new to this game, so I am unaware of what to really do. I read a bit of the beginner's guide, which helped a little.
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@Mharman
This is fairly erratic behavior at the beginning of the game. Skittlez, Waluigi, is there any reason you are targeting Wylted?
Also, what are you, Waluigi?
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Perhaps we should start role-claiming? Or is it a bit early for that?
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@DebateArt.com
That's okay; I have no idea how to help with the hangouts either. I just thought I would put it out there.
Thanks for being active with the user base! The biggest issue with DDO was the inactivity of Juggle to combat the tide of spam that destroyed the site. I already feel more represented by this site.
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@DebateArt.com
Perhaps eventually having seasonal tournaments. That would be better when there are more committed debaters on the site. I know that a Hangout tourney was being talked about on DDO before it internally combusted. Something like that would be interesting.
Perhaps some mafia functionality on the site similar to Epicmafia or other mafia sites.
I don't know how, but I think getting more people on the Hangouts could be good as well.
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@Vader
What is wrong with being selfish? We are self-owners who care primarily for ourselves more than anyone else. That's how the human race has stayed alive for so long.
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@coal
If you were the president of the US, what would your policy agenda be? For example would you prioritize the environment, energy policy, urban poverty, relations with the middle east etc?
If you were a member of congress, what bill/resolution would you want to pass the most?
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I might be gone for a little bit (in the ballpark of 15-20 minutes,) so PM me if any of you join. I will be back regardless
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@Zeichen
@SamStevens
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@coal
I suppose I should have been more specific. Would you be in favor of limiting or expanding the visa system?
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@SamStevens
Sorry I couldn't join last night. I fell asleep early.
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What is your opinion on immigration reform?
What is your opinion of Aung Suu Kyi?
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@Castin
A little caffeine is useful, but a lot for me makes it hard to focus.
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@Castin
Look for headers. The great thing about text debates is that you don't need to wait for transitions from contention to contention.
Also, skim read first, so you get the basic idea of what the debate is about and just the main points. Then, read it one more time in depth.
Take a few breaks to mull over what each opponent is saying, and maybe read out the arguments to yourself too.
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@SamStevens
It depends. I have IRL obligations that are likely to tire me out. If I am available, it would be at around 8pm.
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@SamStevens
@ResurgetExFavilla
@KingLaddy01
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@whatthef
Try @ing me again, I think the problem resolved itself. Idk why it blocked you, I didn't do that.
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@whatthef
I don't remember blocking you. Checking to see if the problem is resolved now.
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@whatthef
Why don't you join so we talk about something useful?
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@Zeichen
@SamStevens
@thett3
@ResurgetExFavilla
Ya'll wanna join, or did I pick a bad time?
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@bsh1
1,2,3, and 4 are all yeas for me.
5 needs to be specified more.
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@whatthef
I don't see your point... Because we don't talk about anything of particular importance at all we are not benefiting the site? I think getting people to know one another is a laudable goal. If you don't want to join you don't need to.
We do talk debate & politics once in a while, which is good for debate sits. Google Hangout links are also used for IRL debates.
An active user-base is fairly important, so I think that in some sense, these hangouts to pose benefits.
Moreover, I am not a mod. I am not obligated to "better" the site (whatever that means,) nor is anyone else in these hangouts. If you have an idea to benefit the site, then run it by the creator in the development thread. Perhaps you want a more debate or forum focused site.You could join and share your opinion with me. I do like hearing a bunch of ideas.
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@whatthef
Typically it is me, SamStevens, Zeichen, ResurgentExFavilla, and some others. they are not as active as they used to be on DDO. It is just a way to pass the time. Sometimes we discuss politics.
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@Uther-Penguin
Uther! You're back! :-)
Great to see you buddy
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@Tejretics
(1) What should US foreign policy toward Israel be? What is your general opinion of the Israel-Palestine conflict?
I generally do not comment on such an emotionally charged geopolitical conflict. Generally, there should be support for Israel with recognition of same of the issues that Palestinian people are facing (i.e. lack of adequate water infrastructure.) This could be fixed with NGOs, however, there has been a hostile reaction from Israel when NGOs tried to operate in the West Bank and in Gaza (1). There needs to military support for Israel's iron dome and other missile defense systems. I do not think it is inherently controversial to support a 2-state solution, although I am under no assumption that it will actually happen. Hamas is obviously an organization that poses a danger to Israel. The best solution is to either a) eradicate them or b), bring them to the negotiation table. This is not to discount the people within Palestine who are perhaps the biggest losers out of the entire conflict as they have ineffective governance, no official nation, and will likely never get either good governance or a nation.
(2) What should US foreign policy toward Saudi Arabia be? Specifically, should it continue military cooperation/arms sales with Saudi Arabia? Should it support the ongoing intervention in Yemen?
It is quite likely that US involvement has worsened the situation for countless people. That being said, sanctioning Saudi Arabia would likely force them to turn toward other countries such as China and Russia who would still supply them weapons to continue their operations within Yemen. That said, it is well known at this point that Chinese weapons are generally inferior to American ones. Reliability is a major issue in weapon purchases, and that is something that China is struggling with (2). So, will other countries completely fill the gap? Probably not, but that does not mean that we should limit our influence in Saudi Arabia. As former senior CIA official Bruce Riedel contends, “Saudi sources remain major funders of groups like the Afghan Taliban and Lashkare Taiba in Pakistan. Some accounts suggest Saudi money has gone to alQaida’s affiliate in Syria, the alNusra Front (3).”
While detrimental, this is a far-cry from years ago when they lacked the financial infrastructure to collect taxes, and thus could not even begin to penalize people who support extremist groups.
The US also needs to grapple with the impacts of involvement in the Yemeni civil war. Saudi Arabia's involvement is purely for political purposes. They ignore significant issues such as when they relocated their military might toward the Houthi North and allowed AQAP to expand their influence (4). Our military prowess is not going to be utilized effectively in fighting this menace. The blockade of aid from coming into Yemen, (which has recently been lifted, at least for now,) allowed humanitarian issues to exacerbate.
(3) What should US foreign policy toward Myanmar be?
PM Kyi likely has no way to offer recourse to people who suffer in the ongoing genocide. Her position is unique as it is technically a high-level position, and yet is subject to a constitution that allows the military to hold a minimum amount of parliament seats (25% in fact,) has no impact over many of the activities of the dual military government (including the General Administration Department,) and has little power to change the grossly unfair constitution (5). Her domestic base also supports the Rohingya genocide, putting her position in jeopardy. Kyi has allowed for some Rohingya to repatriate back into Myanmar from Bangladesh, and this would be a good idea if the military stopped destroying towns. That will likely not happen for a while though.
(4) Should the US engage in drone strikes? Do you agree with the status quo in terms of drone strikes and with Obama's policies in that regard?
While it should be used with caution, drone strikes can be an effective measure to deal with foreign conflicts remotely. Civilian casualties often occur, and the lack of accountability does need to be rectified. However, they have proven useful in limiting ISIS land holdings (6). They have the potential to destroy oil rigs that fuel ISIS funds. They have also limited ISIS training and communication as they are forced to flee from open areas (7).
I don't like to talk about politicians, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It also is likely to offend others and cause a flamewar.
Sources
5. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-24/how-military-controls-myanmar-not-aung-san-suu-kyi/8978042
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@Mharman
I have rarely played mafia. Can I still join? If so, I would like to.
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@Raltar
Why do you think that it was a bad moderator decision? Just curious, and asking for a friend who is also curious. I don't have too many opinions about moderation, so perhaps you could fill me in on your own philosophy.
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@Zeichen
@SamStevens
@ResurgetExFavilla
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@ethang5
@RationalMadman
@thett3
@ResurgetExFavilla
Hangout folks?
Lets get a conversation going! We already got some people in here.
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@SamStevens
@ResurgetExFavilla
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Without starting any new flamewars, the person is clearly joking as Dr. Ford is in reference to the Kavanaugh accuser. Essentially, the troll is making fun of what he sees to be a wild assertion that he thinks is equivalent to the accusation of Dr. Ford.
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Also, when I said excess capacity, I meant excess base capacity, and that could be a projection for the future. As in:
By 2019 22% of bases will be excess per this source:
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/276528-pentagon-22-percent-of-bases-to-be-surplus-by-2019
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I ended up writing something on another debate site regarding US military spending.The formatting keeps messing up and smooshing words together for some reason, so I will post the link here:
(Note: may not be actual opinion, could just be something I wrote when bored.)
The arguments for boosting military spending presumes that the spending will bolster our ability to fight ISIS, defend the US from aggressive actions of rival nations, and prevent piracy through more enforcement. Of course, the impact of increased military spending does not necessarily mean any increase in defense capability. Kimberly Amadeo writes for The Balance, analyzing the breakdown of our current military budget. In total, there are 4 components to the military budget:1. The $597.1 billion base budget for the Department of Defense.
2. The overseas contingency operations for DoD to fight the Islamic State group ($88.9 billion.)
3. The total of other agencies that protect our nation. These expenses total $181.3 billion. They include the VA Department ($83.1 billion), the State Department ($28.3 billion), DHS ($46 billion), FBI and Cybersecurity in the DOJ ($8.8 billion) and the National Nuclear Security Administration in the DOE ($15.1 billion).
4. The last component is $18.7 billion in OCO funds for the State Department and Homeland Security to fight ISIS. (1)
An increase in military spending would transfer more money into government coffers; however, one needs to consider how the money is spent. In fact, the DOD’s own estimates conclude that overall, it has 22% excess capacity (2). Nevertheless, the 2013 Bi-Partisan Budget Act of 2013 blocked future base closures. Considering the purported loss of local jobs, the possibility of government officials supporting base closures is slim. In fact, the most recent Bi-Partisan Budget Act raised the military base spending cap by $80 billion (3). Clearly, the legislature is determined to move the opposite way of closure. It would be impossible to determine if the increase in military spending will be absorbed by administrative and operational costs from strategically defunct bases.
One must also consider the massive cost of providing more money in the face rising costs of operational and management as well as personnel in the DOD. Todd Harrison of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments estimates that by 2024, both categories of spending will “consume the entire defense budget by 2024. You’d have no money left for procurement, for research and development, military construction, for family housing, nothing (4).” This is not to say that we should not properly compensate soldiers. Instead, limiting the growth of civilian personnel would help (1). Instead, the DOD could create a competitive bidding process to contract work to the private sector and/or form public-private partnerships. This is especially important for cyberwarfare, where private-public partnerships or private contracting work are pivotal considering the drought of talented cyber-experts in the government. The current bureaucracy does need to be streamlined as far as those on the DOD’s payroll is concerned. When the Pentagon asked for an internal study to find out how to decrease costs, they found that despite historically sparse numbers of troops, (roughly 1.3 million,) there were nearly as many desk jobs (5). The Pentagon hid the report in fear of budget cuts, but that does not change the truth of where taxpayer money is being held: in a bloated bureaucratic system.
Pentagon cost overruns also produce issues for military budgets. The CATO Institute in September of 2015 summarizes only a minute sample of cost overruns by the Pentagon because, as they quote from the GAO:
“[The military branches] overpromise capabilities and underestimate costs to capture the funding needed to start and sustain development programs”
Cost Estimate and Date of Estimate Original vs. Final
Littoral Combat Ship $360m (2004) $667m (2014)
Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicle $102m (1998) $376m (2013)
Joint Strike Fighter $79m (2001) $138m (2013)
JPALS Landing System $29m (2008) $77m (2014)
G/ATOR Radar $24m (2005) $61m (2014) (6)
One must realize that an increase in military spending is not synonymous with a better military. The funds traverse through a broken system that pays out to military bases without a purpose, expensive military contractors, and a bloated civilian workforce. While security does need to be respected, the practicality of an increase in military spending needs to be weighed over anything else. Until I am told where the increase would take place and guaranteed that money will not be diverted elsewhere, I cannot in good conscience support the plan.
1. https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-military-budget-components-challenges-growth-3306320
2. http://1yxsm73j7aop3quc9y5ifaw3.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/041816_dod_brac_parametric.pdf4
3. https://www.csis.org/analysis/making-sense-bipartisan-budget-act-2018-and-what-it-means-defense
4. https://federalnewsradio.com/sequestration/2013/04/analysis-pay-benefits-om-will-swallow-entire-dod-budget-by-2024/
5. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/pentagon-buries-evidence-of-125-billion-in-bureaucratic-waste/2016/12/05/e0668c76-9af6-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html?utm_term=.dcacac164b7e
6. https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/tbb-72.pdf
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@SamStevens
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If I were to post a hangout link, would anyone join in the next few hours?
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@ethang5
It is actually my initials B-L-A plus the word monkey. When I was 12, I saw my grandma use the same method when she created a username for a site. In other words, I committed plagiarism.
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@KingLaddy01
I actually don't play too many modern console games. I'm a bit broke as other is. I do enjoy Persona 5 (even though I really only played it a few times.) I am a huge fan of recent indie games though.
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