"Indigenous land" doesn't quite encompass it. Europeans built America, so they shouldn't leave it to "Natives" who have contributed <1% to its success.
Other than that, I would agree that mutliculturalism is a failure. However, why wouldn't segregation/balkanization of America suffice? Just cutting off pieces and letting each group have a slice would seem sufficient.
First off, I agree with your position. Also, I don’t think Trump is like Hitler. I was saying that the same way you react to that claim, pro-choice people will react to the claim of their position being Nazi-like.
I do similarity lack some subtly related to Nazi/slavery parallels, myself. They can work if there isn’t a large stigma against your position. I did it in my capital punishment debate, but abortion is a very touchy subject that people have strong opinions about. So while you were correct in your points, it wasn’t good for appealing to voters.
Yeah, considering the major pro-choice bias on this site, it would behoove your argument to mainly allude to Nazis rather than being so upfront about it. You're correct about their devaluing of certain groups and then killing them.
However, think of how you react when people call Trump a "Nazi". You either zone them out or laugh at them because it sounds so ridiculous to you. In the same way, they are very sure that pro choice is the logical position, and they clearly don't see the connection it has to Nazis, otherwise they wouldn't hold the stances they currently do. So, first prove that pro-choice people are devaluing humans. Once you prove that they are biologically humans, and then prove that this human life is being devalued, and they accept those facts, then you can make progress with people. Then you start subtly pointing to parallels to show them how their manner of thinking might be destructive and that valuing all life is a better option. Let them come to the conclusion that pro-choice arguments are similar to Nazi arguments, rather than telling them right away that it is the case.
Because I read your debates and they are never substantive. I would not like to waste more time on you. If I was able to fit a debate in, I would like it to be worthwhile and thought-provoking, not responding to your incoherent rant about "white people bad".
Also, this has nothing to do with who is indigenous to a region. It has a lot to do with who makes up the majority of the population and determining relative uses of things.
There really is nothing left to debate. You are wrong and seem incapable of grasping that. I won't waste any more time on you.
Raw numbers are meaningless for this comparison lol. It is like saying that more Chinese people commit crimes in China than white people do, so therefore Chinese people baaad.
I still stand by that..... If one group uses something more than 3 times more often per capita than the other group, I would say that group is a bigger financial problem, unless they paid more into it. That is by far not the case.
One group is a net contributor, while the other is a net taker. That is my point....
I hope you're not dropping a mic to that lol.
If you can follow a coherent thought process and understand how foolish you sounded, then I look forward to your response. If not, I will gladly embarrass you again.
I mean, if you want to play the raw numbers game, I could show how white people pay most of the taxes for said welfare programs. If anyone, they would deserve to use them, even those they have the lowest usage rates. They pay more per capita and raw numbers.
Your Newport and malt liquor taxes don’t really add up....
I don't care who you were talking about, I'm showing you who has a serious addiction to the public welfare system. 13.2% vs 41.6% please tell me which has the bigger issues
This shows the share of servicemen by race.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/214869/share-of-active-duty-enlisted-women-and-men-in-the-us-military/
The maximum age of active duty military is 35 (at least for joining)
If you consider how many military-aged people are white, they are overrepresented.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/30/most-common-age-among-us-racial-ethnic-groups/
"You basically want the benefits of living here, but you refuse to put in any real work..."
At 41.6 percent, blacks were more likely to participate in government assistance programs in an average month.
o The black participation rate was followed by Hispanics at 36.4 percent, Asians or Pacific
Islanders at 17.8 percent, and non-Hispanic whites at 13.2 percent.
It is scientifically proven that they also like the sound of nails on chalk board, they have higher chances of developing schizophrenia, and they are big fans of smooth jazz.
Truly sickening people. They should all receive 30-40 lashings per pizza defaced.
I didn't know that Mairj was a George Wallace supporter lol. Didn't strike me as the type.
"Indigenous land" doesn't quite encompass it. Europeans built America, so they shouldn't leave it to "Natives" who have contributed <1% to its success.
Other than that, I would agree that mutliculturalism is a failure. However, why wouldn't segregation/balkanization of America suffice? Just cutting off pieces and letting each group have a slice would seem sufficient.
Congrats on the win!
Rreeeeeeeee
I think you have it backwards. PRO is saying we should be proud of America.
And I don’t know that the outcomes would be very different. You generally are proud of your country if it is great.
You fiend! You commie fiend!
Not how I expected you to go about this.
I am very excited to see how this debate turns out. Have been looking for a good answer to this, but am more on the side of pro-pride.
Good luck to both of you!
Also saw the comment about your sister. I’ll send some prayers out for all of you.
First off, I agree with your position. Also, I don’t think Trump is like Hitler. I was saying that the same way you react to that claim, pro-choice people will react to the claim of their position being Nazi-like.
I do similarity lack some subtly related to Nazi/slavery parallels, myself. They can work if there isn’t a large stigma against your position. I did it in my capital punishment debate, but abortion is a very touchy subject that people have strong opinions about. So while you were correct in your points, it wasn’t good for appealing to voters.
Yeah, considering the major pro-choice bias on this site, it would behoove your argument to mainly allude to Nazis rather than being so upfront about it. You're correct about their devaluing of certain groups and then killing them.
However, think of how you react when people call Trump a "Nazi". You either zone them out or laugh at them because it sounds so ridiculous to you. In the same way, they are very sure that pro choice is the logical position, and they clearly don't see the connection it has to Nazis, otherwise they wouldn't hold the stances they currently do. So, first prove that pro-choice people are devaluing humans. Once you prove that they are biologically humans, and then prove that this human life is being devalued, and they accept those facts, then you can make progress with people. Then you start subtly pointing to parallels to show them how their manner of thinking might be destructive and that valuing all life is a better option. Let them come to the conclusion that pro-choice arguments are similar to Nazi arguments, rather than telling them right away that it is the case.
Oops. Thought I was awarding penalties ;)
Man, that was a close one! How did you manage?
Because I read your debates and they are never substantive. I would not like to waste more time on you. If I was able to fit a debate in, I would like it to be worthwhile and thought-provoking, not responding to your incoherent rant about "white people bad".
Why did you delete your last message?
Also, this has nothing to do with who is indigenous to a region. It has a lot to do with who makes up the majority of the population and determining relative uses of things.
There really is nothing left to debate. You are wrong and seem incapable of grasping that. I won't waste any more time on you.
Cage match more like it lol
Couldn’t answer a simple question. Figures....
Raw numbers are meaningless for this comparison lol. It is like saying that more Chinese people commit crimes in China than white people do, so therefore Chinese people baaad.
Lol, tell me, which group is more dependent on welfare? The group that is 40% dependent or 13%?
Go on, you can do it. Which group would have 40% of its members starving on the street and having no health insurance without the group you vilify?
I'lL wAiT.!.!.!.!
I still stand by that..... If one group uses something more than 3 times more often per capita than the other group, I would say that group is a bigger financial problem, unless they paid more into it. That is by far not the case.
One group is a net contributor, while the other is a net taker. That is my point....
I hope you're not dropping a mic to that lol.
If you can follow a coherent thought process and understand how foolish you sounded, then I look forward to your response. If not, I will gladly embarrass you again.
Yes we pay more and receive more raw amount because of a larger population. Glad we can agree.
I’m saying that per capita, we pay a lot and receive relatively little. Do we agree there as well?
Congrats on the victory, my dude!
I mean, if you want to play the raw numbers game, I could show how white people pay most of the taxes for said welfare programs. If anyone, they would deserve to use them, even those they have the lowest usage rates. They pay more per capita and raw numbers.
Your Newport and malt liquor taxes don’t really add up....
Yeah, man. He just got a mic drop on you. No coming back from that one. Might as well leave the site and smash your computer to save your dignity.
Yeah, I forgot that everything that disagrees with him (almost everything) is just a load of lies pushed by white supremacist Illuminati goons. Oops.
You caught me. I will find better statistics than the Census Bureau, Pew Research, and Statista can provide next time lol.
"And Nike deals."
A'ight. That one was good.
Thanks lol
That is kind of his shtick on this website. Don't mind him.
I don't care who you were talking about, I'm showing you who has a serious addiction to the public welfare system. 13.2% vs 41.6% please tell me which has the bigger issues
;)
They both have two opposing sides. Lots of kneeling, national anthems, and Nike deals. Basically the same thing
Yeah, that was my bad. I didn't supply that part of it.
This shows the share of servicemen by race.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/214869/share-of-active-duty-enlisted-women-and-men-in-the-us-military/
The maximum age of active duty military is 35 (at least for joining)
If you consider how many military-aged people are white, they are overrepresented.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/30/most-common-age-among-us-racial-ethnic-groups/
"You basically want the benefits of living here, but you refuse to put in any real work..."
At 41.6 percent, blacks were more likely to participate in government assistance programs in an average month.
o The black participation rate was followed by Hispanics at 36.4 percent, Asians or Pacific
Islanders at 17.8 percent, and non-Hispanic whites at 13.2 percent.
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html
Oof, yeah, white people really expect benefits without putting in work.
Also, white people are the majority of military members.
https://www.cfr.org/article/demographics-us-military
Guess we have to fight and pay for all of the freedoms and free stuff you enjoy.
In the wise words of Greta Thunberg: "How dare you!"
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiZjbPe2sfmAhUuAZ0JHeNVCKgQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fpointnshoot%2F5715181594&psig=AOvVaw1KzbvWtSlDZAgpj1G-_w-M&ust=1577050936224884
This is my type of pizza
Well, the Hawaiian pizza isn't that bad if you take the pineapple off. I usually picked it off when my family got it.
Ham and bacon are nice >:D
Absolutely. Check out some previous comments to squid. Had a good discussion with him earlier.
It is garb garb. End of story.
I am an expert. You can interview me for my professional opinion.
Fair enough
I finish finals tomorrow night and then I will try to slip in a vote.
I don't care if it is rainbow-colored, keep it off the pizza!
Do you put pineapple in your pasta as well???
But it isn't when you cook it! Eat it on the side if you want, but for goodness sake, keep it off the pizza!
The pineapple is supposed to be juicy and sweet. When you cook it on a pizza, it gets dried out and the pizza becomes unsavory.
It is scientifically proven that they also like the sound of nails on chalk board, they have higher chances of developing schizophrenia, and they are big fans of smooth jazz.
Truly sickening people. They should all receive 30-40 lashings per pizza defaced.
Your liver grows back and you can donate part of it ;)
A 99% drop in abortion doctors would be good for you, though, wouldn't it?
I was referring to the doctors that do multiple abortions a week. :P
Not the actual amount of blood taken.
Lol, some doctors will start passing out from blood loss.
Lmao, made my night.
Pineapple on pizza is one of the most grave forms of blasphemy. I used to work at Pizza Hut, so I have much experience in this field.
Well done, sir! Making a name for yourself already.
That's a pity. Well, good luck!
I think this has potential to be one of the best debates on the site.