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@DebateArt.com
It's be great if the forum leaderboard was sorted by posts, with the most number of posts at the top.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
Lol. True.
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@Wylted
Blessing is too religious. Agnostic here.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
Ah.
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@YeshuaBought
Delete the fucking debate.
Thank you for finally giving me permission to do so.
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@YeshuaBought
You never private contacted me about deleting the debate. You ONLY contacted me privately about the comments. And, since you solicited and ACCEPTED the debate, it is in a different category entirely from the posts your referenced.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
I am not sure if that's moderatable, even if there were proof that it occurred. Did she threaten to post your comments to facebook?
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@Polytheist-Witch
She was asked four times whether she wanted it removed. Each time, she chose not to answer. In order to delete a debate, I require all parties' consent--she has yet to give it to me. That the debate is still up is more a reflection on her than of anyone else.
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@McSloth
Cool. Should have the game up by Wednesday night.
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@YeshuaBought
If you want it deleted, say so. You have now been asked THREE times, and each time you have failed to reply. For the last time: do you want it removed? Yes, or no?
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I will be happily to debate you soon
Cool.
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@Vader
Being elderly doesn't mean you can't live by yourself, and obviously the state should pay for your home if you can't afford it (and you couldn't afford a livable abode without government help). Debate me on this if you want. I'd be happy to.
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@YeshuaBought
You accepted the debate. I asked if you wanted it deleted, and I still have not received a yes or no from you. I will ask once more: do you want it deleted. Sounds like Wylted is willing to agree to have it taken down.
Besides, Wylted is telling me you solicited the challenge. I don't see how soliciting such a debate makes the debate a personal attack when someone takes you up on the offer.
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@Vader
I think that is a bit ridiculous--you are assuming that the homeless don't already have jobs. Many do, but simply can't afford housing on the salaries they earn. For others, it could take months or years to be successfully reintroduced to the job market. And what about the elderly?
Better to just give them housing. I don't see why they need a shelter first; job training would likely take place off-site anyhow.
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@YeshuaBought
I noted that debate exists, and that you accepted. Do you want it deleted? If so, why did you accept?
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@YeshuaBought
I have yet to see any post personally attacking you. For the most part, you've been taking posts far more harshly than they should be read.
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@Vader
I don't agree with that. A homeless shelter is no place anyone should have to spend their life.
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@YeshuaBought
Certainly, but you do not have the right to violate the site's COC.
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@Vader
Housing =/= a house. You can be housed in an apartment.
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@YeshuaBought
You're free to insult me, but you cannot insult other users. If you feel you are being cyberbullied, you ought to cease contact with the offenders rather than returning in kind and debasing yourself in the process.
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@Vader
Personally speaking, I think food, water, healthcare, and housing should all be rights.
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@YeshuaBought
I have yet to see anyone say that to or about you.
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@YeshuaBought
I have evaluated your reports thus far, and have explained why the posts in question were not moderatable. Condescension and insensitivity are deeply regrettable, but they are not prohibited. Moreover, I strongly dispute the idea that any of the reported posts you've brought to my attention claimed that you don't have the right to live.
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@YeshuaBought
I am happy to close your account for you if you want. I am unsure if accounts can be deactivated by the users themselves--Mike might be able to answer that.
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@1harderthanyouthink
You are.You should be allowed to post mod PMs unless they disclose information about other people.
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@Username
So if I said, "I want to get rid of this but not that" and someone said "Well if you want to get rid of this why not that if that is worse than this?" that would not be a kritik?
So, if you're saying:
You: Delete X, Keep Z
Them: Delete X, Delete Z
Then, their argument is not a kritik per se...it's more like turning your argument into some kind of disad, because the natural consequence of your position would be to also delete Z (either that, or exposing hypocrisy in your position).
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@ResurgetExFavilla
+1
I had never really considered the idea that K's might be impoverishing the number of topics of debate.
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@Username
I'm not sure I'd call them an issue of semantics. K's typically challenge an assumption in the resolution. So, if the topic were, "Nature is good," it might be a K to argue that nature or goodness do not exist. Here's a good article: https://debate.uvm.edu/NFL/rostrumlib/cxkbennett0496.pdf
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@DebateArt.com
This is the system used on DDO. I think it would work well on DART as well.
All debaters start off with 2,000 elo when they enter DDO. Elo is changed after a debate's voting period ends. The equation is calculated by the users to be C = 100 (W+9L) / 10W, where C =change, W =winner's original Elo, and L =loser's original Elo.
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@Imabench
Yeah, probably. Though, I would immediately recuse myself from any moderation regarding him, given our history.
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I thought the buck stopped with you.
It does on COC enforcement. The wide degree of autonomy moderation was assured does that. Mike would only interfere in very rare circumstances, as I understand it.
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@ethang5
You said I brought it up.
In this thread, you certainly did.
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@Castin
Airmax would not automatically be given one. But, I would be happy to step down were he interested. Clearly Mike would need to approve, but I didn't think I needed to specify that--I just took it as obvious.
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@ethang5
I brought that up only once--hardly bragging--and in the context of answering a question about my qualifications for the position. My role as DDO President, when I worked occasionally with Max, was my primary relevant experience, and so I cited that. Contorting that into bragging is laughable, ethang.Untrue sir. You brought it up in reply to a question by someone else about your qualifications for mod. You actually have none.
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The only mod I nominated was Tejretics, to help with voting, and I cleared that with Mike in advance of making any kind of formal appointment. Had Mike said "no," I obviously would have complied.
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@thett3
Yes, you can 100% debate something like that.
I'll get to the other posts in this thread later--not enough time.
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@Castin
I need to know this
I can't answer that question. And unless and until Max volunteers, it's rather a moot point. I will continue to be moderator, and am not expecting to be replaced for the foreseeable future.
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I never did try for mod. Airmax consulted with all Presidents about moderation issues, myself included. There was no insinuation to speak of. And, I hardly brag; it was you who brought it up here, let's not forget. You talk about it far more than I do.You tried for mod. You had to settle for president. I was there. President carried no power, which is why you insinuated yourself into "mod consultation" there and brag about it here.
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@ethang5
I never sought to be a mod on DDO. I ran for site President, which is certainly not the same. And I don't really see your point about whiteflame. There's no dishonor in expressing interest in a job I'd be happy to relinquish to him. I am not as wedded to this role as you might think, and I'd welcome whiteflame taking it over if he desired.
I choose not to resign not because I am wedded to the role, but because there are few people who I think could and would do it. I was not my first choice for this job (I was my third or fourth), though I think myself reasonably qualified and capable. Whiteflame and Airmax I trust totally to do the job right, which is why they, in particular, are ones I'd be happy to see in the role before me.
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I appreciate that. I do have lots to mull on.I mean no ill will only to show you a point of view that may not have been in your purview.
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@Castin
Yes, they get a pass. Only words that fit the hate speech category are banned. So pretty much all profanity. I don't really care if you censor the f-word.
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@Wylted
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Will you stand behind that statement if I can convince either of those two to take on the added responsibility and hassle?
Sure. IDK how likely it would be that they would agree to take on the job, but, hey, if they want it, I'll gladly hand it to them.
Glad your doing okay. I am fine--busy, tired. Grad school is interesting, but it sucks up a ton of your time (not that that's unexpected, but still...).
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@Wylted
OMG. I feel like I have answered this question 20 times...probably because I have...You wouldn't know that, though. The answer is you cannot use the n-word but you can debate "that Black Americans have lower average IQs than white Americans and at least a few of those IQ points can be attributed to genetics."
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@Wylted
I am indeed moderator, though if Airmax or Whiteflame ever wanted the job, I'd happily hand it over to them. I don't think it's gone to my head, but if it had, would I know? A bit of a mindf**k. Anyhow, some people think it has. How's life?
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@Castin
Hey, it rhymes! Bish-bashing :)
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