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Trump made a faux pas with his reference to “black jobs,” but credit to him for unflinchingly going right into a lion’s den surrounded by controversy. Harris was attending Sheila Jackson Lee’s funeral around that time, but it’s still bad optics for her to be a no show to where she would decidedly have the “home field advantage.”
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@Greyparrot
In Chicago, I remember seeing a man on a skateboard take a Trump flag off someone’s front yard and skate off with it. I guess he was part of the passive resistance. Vive la resistance!
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@Double_R
you couldn't be bothered to point out a single meaningful difference
That is because when caught in a blatant lie, you try to prevaricate your way out of it rather than demonstrating integrity. It’s a non starter. Your inevitable and stubborn shenanigans negate any chance at moving any discussion with you forward.
it's that I find the projection fascinating
As the Captain pointed out elsewhere, accusations of projection are all too often the adult equivalent of “I know you are, but what am I?” Which, as you like to say, used to work in the 3rd grade.
It just comes off as nothing more than a pathetic attempt to win the argument
The feeling is quite mutual, I assure you. You insist on dictating to me what I think in this “discussion.” Hey, if you insist on that, you don’t need me. You might as well argue with your own imagination. That way, you get to win every time, and that is obviously of the highest importance to you.
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@ILikePie5
What’s the gist of what Madison had to say against term limits? That it would politicize justices more?
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@Greyparrot
“The notorious RBG,” it seems, wasn’t really a team player. That, or she was confident Clinton would win…
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@IwantRooseveltagain
What exactly did I say that was a “reasonable request in search of common ground”
That’s funny— even you are surprised about an alleged show of goodwill on your part. I guess I was giving you too much credit. It’s a shame…
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@Double_R
It’s not gaslighting, it’s English.
It most certainly is gaslighting, and the height of arrogance actually, to reinterpret a person’s words despite that person’s disapproval of that rewording. In fairness to you though, this sort of douchebaggery is not limited to you around here, alas…
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@Double_R
Entirety, as in there was nothing else relevant that was left out.
Oh, really? Let’s see here, in the good, old “basic English” dictionary:
en·tire·ty
/inˈtīrədē,inˈtī(ə)rdē,enˈtīrədē,enˈtī(ə)rdē/
noun
the whole of something.
Hmmm… No, I don’t see anything about a carve out for “relevance,” perceived or otherwise. You didn’t even include an elipses to acknowledge missing text. So, gee, thanks and all for trying to make my words sound less ridiculous or more relevant by incompletely quoting them while claiming to completely quote them, but I would rather you at least try to keep your shit honest. It shouldn’t be too much to ask, but it usually is around here, alas…
With “basic English” like this, who needs gaslighting?
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@Greyparrot
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Who do you think might be making a reasonable request in search of common ground? Trump? Myself?
Yourself, Captain. Me posting in response to you didn’t make that bloody obvious?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You really sweat the small stuff; don’t you, Captain Queeg?
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@Greyparrot
Yep… but hope springs eternal. Hopefully, he doesn’t go after me for that turn of phrase, too. Yeesh…
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@IwantRooseveltagain
And… ya ruined the moment… *sigh*
Yes. “Could this be?” is a standalone question signaling amazement at something seemingly too good to be true. Roughly, it means “Could this (whatever the circumstance or event, like the Cubs winning the World Series) be (as in be real, true, actually happening)?”
It’s just basic English. (Meaning you should already know this if English is your primary language)
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You’ve got to admit this was a weird statement
Could this be? A reasonable request in search of common ground? Excuse me while I catch my breath for a moment… *inhale, exhale… ahhh…*
Why, yes. In fact, I mentioned this in my first post to this thread, post #6:
That said, I don’t get his exhortation to Christians to vote “just this once,” as if Christians are stereotypically reluctant to vote (?)
To which Wylted speculated that he was speaking to the Amish in PA, but this Believers Summit actually occurred in the great state of Florida, so that doesn’t explain it…
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@Double_R
And I took it out for a reason
Ah, so you were incorrect when you claimed this (If you find this parenthetical relevant, bolding added; if not, disregard… but I don’t have to tell you):
For easy reference here they both are in their entirety:
Were you intentionally lying, or no?
With “basic English” like this, who needs gaslighting?
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@FLRW
In this day and age only Atheists should be Judges. If they are not an Atheist they have poor reasoning ability.
We should violate the Constitution in selecting who should be responsible for interpreting the Constitution? You’re just trolling, right, Professor?
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@Double_R
Wrong. Just wrong… Already, your alleged “quote” below of what I said is missing my words in parentheses (which I included for a reason):
“1] he is joking about [2] the GOP [3] garnering such a large part of the electorate [4] that many can stay home on Election Day in 2028, [5] and a win will still be assured.”
You can just copy/paste what I wrote— no retyping required!— and then insert your numbers. Also, your phrase “their positions” looks, “to any rational person” who understands basic English, as though it is referring to the “Christian base.” Note that I never referred to the Christian base in its entirety as you have assumed, just the crowd at this particular summit.
As you like to say, “This is basic English.”
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@Double_R
Do you want me to go sentence fragment by sentence fragment to elaborate on how these two statements are functionally saying the exact same thing?
Sure. No one, and I mean NO ONE, can explain in detail how someone is saying something distinctly different from what he thought he was saying like you can, Lex!
Commence with the gaslighting.
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@sadolite
Does someone piss in your cereal every morning.
That’s how he gets his potassium.
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@Double_R
Now really, how DID you manage to turn my explanation here:
“he is not joking about ending our democracy; he is joking about the GOP garnering such a large part of the electorate that many (such as the people at this particular rally) can stay home on Election Day in 2028, and a win will still be assured.”
Into your misinterpretation here:
“he is not joking about ending our democracy; he is joking about the GOP garnering such a large part of the electorate that many (such as the people at this particular rally) can stay home on Election Day in 2028, and a win will still be assured.”
Into your misinterpretation here:
The prevailing narrative you and others are trying to offer is that he's joking about his christian base not having to vote anymore because their positions will be so popular it won't matter.
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@Best.Korea
Wow. Wonder why such a big deficit in 2020… weird…
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@WyIted
If a woman who just happens to have a penis is only attracted to women with a vagina, is that woman homosexual or heterosexual?
Things to ponder in these complex times…
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@Double_R
Does it ever give you pause that the guy you support for president loves to joke about being a dictator?
You asked this before, and I answered by pointing out your misconception and attempting to clarify for you. Here we go again! Your above questions is based upon a misunderstanding of what Trump is joking about. In this case, (you know, your actual OP) it’s not even a joke about being a dictator. You are not parsing his meaning correctly; you refuse to be open to a different (and correct) interpretation, so the impasse wall is being reached here, hence the futility.
President Biden has exhibited more actual dictatorial actions and words from my perspective, but he never joked about being dictatorial. The irony.
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@Greyparrot
“Hitler”… “weird”… whatever… what’s the difference either way?
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@Greyparrot
continuing to call Trump "Hitler" post assassination attempt polls poorly in focus groups.
Remember that Hitler also survived an assassination attempt.
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@Greyparrot
Yeah, it’s always fascinating to see how the MSM and DNC work off the same playbook while denying that is what’s happening. It’s also chuckle worthy to see Harris play the “weird” card when her idiosyncrasies are the stuff of viral videos. Well, in politics you gotta appeal to the LCD, I guess.
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@Double_R
So, I attempt (futilely, it seems) to clarify Trump’s claim thusly:
“he is not joking about ending our democracy; he is joking about the GOP garnering such a large part of the electorate that many (such as the people at this particular rally) can stay home on Election Day in 2028, and a win will still be assured.”
And you reinterpret that as:
The prevailing narrative you and others are trying to offer is that he's joking about his christian base not having to vote anymore because their positions will be so popular it won't matter.
Okey, dokey there, Mr. “This is basic English.” For the record, I am not of the opinion that it is a particularly funny or clever joke— merely that it IS him being facetious and that confusing Trump’s facetiousness for “wannabe dictator” inclinations is a symptom of what is popularly known as TDS.
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@badger
I think Hamas can be put down like dogs.
Dude, what do you have against dogs? Or are you referring to humane, lethal injection?
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@badger
Just remembered you responded with this. So, prior to 1967, Israel was basically ok?
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I think Hamas can be put down like dogs.
Wait… now you align with Israel’s goal in this conflict?
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@Greyparrot
Something Wylted said in another thread stuck with me. The worst thing that can happen is for society to become so tolerant that they are utterly consumed by a an intolerant nation. If that doesn't describe what's going on right now with Hamas, what other way can you describe it?
Are you sure it was Wylted? I recall saying that actually and falling under the disapproving stare of the “conservative = racism” types.
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@badger
You wrote the words dude.
*sigh* Repetition is the key to learning:
Perhaps I skipped a step in my thought process explanation. The reason I specified “white westerners” is because it would be easier to understand why a westerner of color might be inclined to sympathize more with Palestinians— Palestinians being the oppressed people of color in this binary paradigm, and a perceived kinship and sympathy there would be understandable.
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@Greyparrot
I think he is saying that if America is so supposedly "racist" and that racism is natural and built into everybody (according to the latest eugenics junk science)...
If all of this is true,(and it is so clearly not true) then it makes no sense that large swaths of American white people are cheering on the killing of foreign white people by Palestinians (who Americans are "naturally" supposed to hate due to unconscious racial bias or whatever BS theory is taught today).
Yeah, sort of, but more my explanation in post 48. As I said earlier, people tend naturally to side with those who share their values. Americans have more values in common with Israel than with Palestinians. The LGBT aspect you mention is an excellent example of this.
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@badger
Ok but you wrote the word white. You did, not me.
Damn… I really must remind myself that the “Racism!” gun has a hair trigger around here.
Perhaps I skipped a step in my thought process explanation. The reason I specified “white westerners” is because it would be easier to understand why a westerner of color might be inclined to sympathize more with Palestinians— Palestinians being the oppressed people of color in this binary paradigm, and a perceived kinship and sympathy there would be understandable.
I’ll ask again: And why do you trust more the Palestinian version of events and who is the aggressor over the Israeli version of events and who is the aggressor?
But… I’m starting to get the feeling this is like talking to a wall… a wall that screams “rrrrracism!” whenever the accusation can be shoehorned in.
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@badger
Why would a white man ever side with a brown man?
Hmm… you are eager to accuse me of oversimplifying things into a strawman argument, yet here you go doing exactly what you accuse me of.
Instead, interpret my question as “Why would a westerner side with an anti western people against a western nation?”
Ah, it's because they think the west is bad.
Generally speaking, yes. You act as though I’m making this claim up out of thin air. There are countless articles and books on the growing anti western sentiment that has been brewing in universities since the 70’s.
From what I've seen of Hamas they're sick bastards. They're decidedly bad, beyond redemption
Do you want Hamas to surrender to Israel?
Of course not because you believe this to be the case:
But Israel made them that. Palestinians live like penned animals. Israel has brutalised these people for decades. You reap what you sow.
For all the atrocities committed by Hamas, you ultimately blame Israel rather than Hamas for them. You believe Israel is decidedly worse in all the tit for tat, back and forth, decades of wrongs done on both sides. And why do you trust more the Palestinian version of events and who is the aggressor over the Israeli version of events and who is the aggressor?
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@Double_R
reinterpret his words
Oh, I am not REinterpreting Trump’s words; I am interpreting them for you as you clearly misunderstood him in this thread. But you seemed to basically get it earlier when Wylted phrased it this way:
He is talking about doing such a great job that it will make most people republican when they see all the good he has done for the country.
You: “As usual, completely making shit up.”
But then your question to me implied that you regressed back to misunderstanding. The point remains: talking shit (and his supporters know he is doing this) does not equal dictator.
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@HistoryBuff
I didn't accuse you of racism.
You have an odd— and dismissive— way of NOT doing that.
You group a large amount of people into a group based on your opinion of their characteristics,
Please point to where I do this.
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@badger
Maybe so. I’m not convinced that you fully understand what I am saying though. How do you know that your conclusion isn’t based upon a misunderstanding on your part or merely clumsy wording on my part? Complex subjects are prone to these pitfalls.
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@badger
The fuck are you talking about dude lol.
Oh, if only I could believe you were truly curious about this. Yet another adherent of “the first accuser of racism must be right!”
Funny thing, Jews have historically distinguished themselves from white people. It’s actually the pro Palestinian activists who tend to pigeonhole Israelis as “white.”
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@HistoryBuff
“and I don’t have a great need to see that discussion history repeat itself.”
Yep, this is going the same way as last time we discussed this issue, which is why I bowed out then and didn’t tag you in my first response to this thread. You clearly adhere to the “whoever makes the first accusation of racism is in the right” school of thought. *yawn*
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@HistoryBuff
I will admit that my explanation isn’t exactly flattering to postmodernist thinking, but 1) it wasn’t directed at you, 2) it wasn’t meant to be flattering, and 3) you have only demonstrated how you fit into my summary rather than depart from it. That you don’t intend to fit the school of thought I describe only affirms it.
Edit: if you must pick a single takeaway, it shouldn’t be “Western = bad.” Maybe “oppressed = good (as in the good guys)”, or maybe “limited to a binary paradigm.”
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@HistoryBuff
My post was about understanding why people take the sides they do on this conflict. I detailed how one can understand why a westerner such as yourself would side against Israel, which is a western nation and US ally. My curiosity about your position was satisfied last time we discussed it in a whole other thread, and I don’t have a great need to see that discussion history repeat itself.
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@HistoryBuff
Your views exemplify exactly what I am talking about… to a T.
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@badger
So you equate humane treatment of other people to self destruction.
Equate? No, you are reading things I haven’t written. To recap, your thread title asks, “What’s the worst that could happen?” You are not asking “What is something bad that will happen?” So, I am answering your question about the WORST thing that COULD happen. That would be tolerance, exhibited in excess, could eventually enable its own demise, which would be the worst thing.
Where's the enemies at the gates here?
France appears to be emerging as a cautionary tale on this front.
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@badger
Probably my biggest fear with liberal western democracies, which tend to emphasize the virtues of freedom and tolerance, is that they will ultimately tolerate their own cultural demise, which would mean the end of freedom and tolerance.
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@prefix
Here is an equally true statement
As the tit for tat “who is worse” arguments can go on ad nauseam regarding Israel and Palestine, I try to look for more fundamental reasons (or biases) why people side with one over the other. Muslims and Jews are generally pretty easy to understand as far as which side they favor. Westerners favoring Israel is also pretty straightforward. But when white westerners favor Palestinians? That is more difficult to understand. I have observed that it involves one or more elements which are all rooted in postmodernist thought.
The western education system has become very postmodern, teaching that the world should be judged through the lens of power structures as opposed to recognizing similar value systems. The power structure lens encourages an oppressor vs oppressed binary:
Palestinian = non Western = poor = oppressed = inherently good
Israel = Western = rich and powerful = oppressor = inherently bad
There is also what I call “morality by casualty rate”:
High casualties = defenseless = oppressed = inherently good
Low casualties = powerful = oppressor = inherently bad
Once a people group has been judged as oppressed, no amount of malevolent action will make them decidedly bad. Conversely, when a group has been deemed an oppressor, no amount of benevolent action will cause them to be viewed as good.
Of course, the Holocaust throws a curveball in this binary of Israelis as oppressors, which is why that historic tragedy is often minimized, ignored, negated, or the argument is made that Palestinians have undergone similar at the hands of the Jews.
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@Greyparrot
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@Double_R
You misunderstand what he is being facetious about— he is not joking about ending our democracy; he is joking about the GOP garnering such a large part of the electorate that many (such as the people at this particular rally) can stay home on Election Day in 2028, and a win will still be assured.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
It might even be worse than you think. Well, that probably isn’t possible… it is as bad as you think:
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@Greyparrot
Especially people who regularly deal with the copious trolling on these very forums. This just in: Trump enjoys trolling his opponents.
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