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@IwantRooseveltagain
Apply critical thinking skills. Do you know what that is?
Yes, it’s just that your skills involve more criticism than thinking. In any case, I’m sure you really mean that you will dodge the point when faced with it head on.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I have to assume you’re lying until you can cite a credible source, genius.
If and when you are given that, you will do what, exactly?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Thanks for citing an example of what we can expect to find in the background of a stripper like Anna Paulina Luna.
Wait, now you’re implying Luna is a sympathetic figure? You paint an incoherent narrative when challenged, but you’re hardly alone around here.
So you think being a former stripper is the same as being interviewed by a former stripper.
Biden wouldn’t interview with, say, an avowed white supremacist. It’s about the choice a presidential candidate makes when virtually all choices are available. Also, you chopped out the worst bit when you quoted me. Not that your shenanigans are surprising… to the contrary, they are expected.
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@zedvictor4
Quoting Godwin out of context in response to referencing Hitler.......Befits certain aspirations I suppose.
I simply observed that you had fulfilled Godwin’s Law in post #7; no more; no less. Please, feel free to elucidate on what you believe to be the proper context of Godwin’s Law.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Source and name?
Google and Cardi B
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Well, one can only imagine how low of an opinion you hold about Biden agreeing to being interviewed by a former stripper who had admitted to drugging patrons (ie “Johns”) and stealing their money.
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@Slainte
The price is certainly scary, but that will come down over time. Hopefully, way down! It seems like the way of the future unless people ever get on board with eating insects. I sometimes wonder how our descendants will view us regarding our treatment of animals— as we view our ancestors as engaging in barbaric practices.
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@Greyparrot
Correct, and I was one of many who left…
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@Greyparrot
Chicago tried something similar:
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A hot mic moment between Zuckerberg and German Chancellor Merkel:
“The Facebook CEO was overheard responding that “we need to do some work” on curtailing anti-immigrant posts about the refugee crisis. “Are you working on this?” Merkel asked in English, to which Zuckerberg replied in the affirmative before the transmission was disrupted.”
It shows that there exists ideological bias on the part of Facebook’s (now Meta) CEO— a bias that he wishes to see reflected in his product offering. It isn’t such a big stretch that a similar bias might exist on other platforms as well.
The term “platform” is pivotal. It distinguishes a forum for speech from a publisher, which has total control over what is… published. With that control comes the liability for libel. Unmoderated forums have no such liability, as they don’t exert any control. Here’s the rub: many platforms are a mostly open forum as long as the terms of service are obeyed. If they are not, censorship is warranted. They would then be open to liability for libel except for what is known as Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act:
“‘No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.’
Section 230(c)(2) further provides "Good Samaritan" protection from civil liability for operators of interactive computer services in the good faith removal or moderation of third-party material they deem "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected."
With this, private companies are allowed to operate a moderated forum free from the liability that publishers have. It is the “good faith” aspect that has been in dispute with platforms such as Meta and Twitter.
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I would imagine that people said the same about Adolph Hitler.
Godwin’s Law fulfilled in only 7 posts? This forum is something else!
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@Double_R
Right, right… that’s exactly what you were saying with crystal clarity, consistency, and without prevarication. *eyeroll* Clearly, you’re not a serious interlocutor, so I will offer up something unserious now— continuing your baseball analogy idea and how DeSantis is characterized by non right-leaning media. You won’t appreciate it, of course; perhaps someone else will.
Imagine if you will— DeSantis as a pro baseball player (actually, he did want to be a pro ball player earlier in his life) and the media as sports commentators:
“Now up to bat, number 13, Ron DeSantis. Yikes, 13… that doesn’t bode well, does it, Bob?”
“No, it doesn’t, Don. I’ve actually been to hotels where the elevator buttons actually skip the number 13 entirely!”
“Yeah, literally nobody likes that particular number. Why DeSantis has embraced the number 13 is anyone’s guess… just seems a bit… evil, doesn’t it?
“Sure does, Don. Boy, he really has his game face on today, too. He just looks kinda… mean! Ya know?
“Oh, definitely, Bob! Doesn’t seem personable at all. He also missed an important practice recently, which created quite the stir.”
“No doubt! Ok… bases are loaded, and DeSantis… ooh! Swing and a miss! Nothing but air there! You need to put all that power to better use, Ronny boy! Keep your eyes on that ball, for goodness’ sake!”
“Listen to that crowd… they’re going nuts! Are they “booing” him? They must really hate this guy!”
“After a total strike like that, who wouldn’t, Don! Ok…”
*crack*
“Oh, that one’s going downtown! Oh, no, if that hits an innocent person or, heaven forbid, a little child, there could be fines imposed… lawsuits… the whole enchilada.”
“Ok… so… evidently, that is four more runs on the board now. DeSantis has to be feeling really confident now, but we’ll see if he can keep this up in their next game tomorrow. To quote the last line of a famous movie from yesteryear, “Tomorrow is another day!” Ya know, I understand that major league baseball has been having declining ad revenues recently. That’s a bit disappointing.”
“Sure is. It might be declining in popularity as the great American pastime.”
“Speaking of ad revenue, we have to cut to commercial.”
And scene!
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@Double_R
Classic gaslighting, and it’s not an isolated incident. I actually did a “sanity check” regarding your two claims by having my wife read them, and she said, uncoached by me, “he’s contradicting himself.” We both have degrees in English. Now, I am fully aware that none of this makes any difference to you; nothing ever does, which is partly why haven’t initiated convos with you for quite some time now.
I will nonetheless offer an expansion and further clarification of my first response to you, which I knew would fry your easily overheated circuitry. This is certainly not in order to rejuvenate or continue this truly pointless back and forth, but just to offer it for what it is and for whomever might appreciate it:
The majority of media was reporting DeSantis’ COVID strategy as dangerous to the health of his constituents. This was conveyed at just about every opportunity. Meanwhile, people were moving from New York and other places to Florida in droves. Non right-leaning media avoided drawing attention to this fact— it certainly wasn’t mentioned in the same articles emphasizing Florida’s COVID dangers. Simultaneously, New York’s Governor Cuomo was a bonafide media darling (until… you know)— two glaring examples of media not reflecting the reality of governors and their constituents “on the ground.”
In other words, if not for right-leaning media, the non right-leaning media would have to report at least SOME positives about the right, lest these outlets be completely out of touch with certain political realities.
What I have observed media outlets currently doing is reporting on the reporting of competing outlets with a different slant. Clearly, the goal is to mock how stories are spun elsewhere, but it at least serves as a sort of “plausible deniability” that they are acknowledging that a different interpretation of events and people exists.
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@Double_R
Ugh… nice try, champ, but you are merely prevaricating throughout. I asked this:
“How could media possibly view him as presidential material when all their coverage of him is negative?”
And you answered that his popularity has increased within a red state and that is highly distinct from the context of national coverage. (Nevermind that Florida has been a swing state historically and recently became a red state because of DeSantis)
When I questioned that, you shifted to acknowledging his increased popularity on a national scale, right after saying his popularity is only a factor on the state scale.
If you refuse to/cannot see your fallacy of self contradiction here, it is either bad faith on your part, or you’re hopelessly incoherent.
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@Double_R
I don’t understand the part where you fail to see how your two claims above contradict each other.
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Godwin’s Law fulfilled in only 22 posts. Impressive… or pathetic?
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@Double_R
Desantis's favorability has climbed within his own state (a state that voted pretty comfortably for Trump) but the coverage you're pointing to is national, so they're not the same.
There's no question Desantis has dramatically improved his national profile among republicans…
“Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.”youtu.be/wwIFMCKlVK8
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@Double_R
Desantis's favorability has climbed within his own state (a state that voted pretty comfortably for Trump) but the coverage you're pointing to is national, so they're not the same.
Apparently, you believe that DeSantis’ climbing favorability has been largely confined to Florida. How can that possibly make him a major contender for POTUS?
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@Double_R
So everyone already knew before that point.
How did everyone know?
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@Double_R
[DeSantis running for president has] been obvious from the start
When do you define “the start,” and how was it “obvious”?
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@n8nrgim
On the surface, it usually seems as though the Democrats are better for the non-rich. However, one should realize that this seemingly good intention is actually a cynical ploy: get/keep people addicted to government assistance so that they keep the party giving it in power.
I know, the Republicans do the same for the rich via tax cuts, but the difference is that the rich provide a “return on investment dollars,” whereas spending money on social programs is just a bottomless pit with little ROI unless it is implemented with the goal to make people eventually self-supporting— which would go against the aforementioned goal of addiction.
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@Double_R
You’re just talking past what I’m saying at this point. How could media possibly view him as presidential material when all their coverage of him is negative? Are you getting what I’m saying yet, or is it beyond your mode of operation?
Now, DeSantis barely won the governor’s office originally and won reelection by 19%. How do you think this happened?
A. A highly effective propaganda campaign by all right leaning media
B. A pathetically bad opponent
C. Clearly demonstrated gubernatorial performance
D. All of the above
E. Something else?
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@Double_R
I never suggested any such thing. I was addressing your sarcastic insinuation that anyone (including media outlets) who have landed heavily on either side of the political spectrum should be immediately written off as non-objective.
Perhaps unintentional, but you suggested how a media outlet could qualify as objective:
The only trait of a media outlet which qualifies it as objective…
You didn’t assert that such is virtually impossible in practice or anything similar.
In contrast, I said this, which is neither sarcastic nor does it resemble your characterization at all:
“Perhaps no media outlet should be making any claims toward objectivity, I’m thinking. That would be minimally acceptable to me, actually. It would at least be honest…”
In other words, human nature and perception is simply too fickle and emotional to be objective by any… eh, objective metric. Journalism is not a science.
Whether his actions should be considered a hit and miss depends on the desired end result. If pissing off the libs or appeasing his base is the goal then yes, he has hit many grand slams. But he is clearly running for president, so by every metric so far when compared to that goal his actions the evidence clearly shows he is striking out.
This is all kinds of wrong. A first term governor’s “desired end result” is to retain the confidence and trust of his constituents enough, or better yet, gain more confidence and trust, to gain reelection. Not “pissing off the libs,” not “appeasing his base.” Geesh, your characterization is steeped in bias. I made no mention at all about presidential aspirations— which means I wasn’t talking about that at all.
So, when the majority of media exclusively posits stories which show DeSantis as undeserving of trust and confidence, and he gets re-elected in a landslide, that is not reflecting the reality of how he is perceived by his constituents.
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@Double_R
That is your problem right there— you seem to believe (in your biased judgment) that there exist media outlets which are objective. As for calling balls and strikes, I’m talking about the majority of media implying that a player (DeSantis in this case) is constantly swinging and missing, while that player goes on to hit a grand slam… in reality.
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@Double_R
Objectivity and neutrality are not the same thing. I don’t aspire nor pretend to be the latter.
I never mentioned neutrality. I was, however, quite sarcastic about your objectivity.
Perhaps no media outlet should be making any claims toward objectivity, I’m thinking. That would be minimally acceptable to me, actually. It would at least be honest…
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@Greyparrot
Wages are going up (this where Rosie will end the quote) but “real” wages already accounts for inflation, and they are largely flat.
This is further complicated by the fact that the methodology for calculating the CPI has changed to more accurately reflect what’s happening, but it is generally a more conservative rate of inflation than was calculated in the Carter/Reagan period.
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@Greyparrot
You know who else didn’t want to reflect on Afghanistan? The President. “That was 4, 5 days ago!”
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@ludofl3x
Picture yourself as you are now, and ask yourself:
“Would I rather be in a room surrounded by people smarter than I, or not as smart as I?”
What would be your answer?
“Would I rather be in a room surrounded by people smarter than I, or not as smart as I?”
What would be your answer?
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@Double_R
I can’t account for your perceptions of what I write, but that is not what I am attempting to convey. I could refer you to a video on the subject, but we both know you don’t do those…
If anything, you are the one guilty of implying that:
4 years of today’s fact free right wing propaganda would pose a problem for any democratic candidate…
You are the one whose general implication is that objectivity, logic, and reason causes one to be left leaning, while misinformation, cherry picking, and personal bias leads one to be right leaning.
Yep… that’s objective alright…
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@Double_R
I am talking about entirely negative coverage from mainstream outlets which don’t admit to catering to a certain audience— I could name 3+ of those for every Newsmax type outlet you just named. One would think they would occasionally report something other than negative about a successful politician.
I think you already know this.
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@Double_R
Regarding DeSantis, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a political leader get such entirely negative press yet win re-election by 19%.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
He has had many achievements and legislative victories. We’ve added millions of jobs, GDP is growing, I personally got a $100,000 pay raise.
Right, right… that amazing recovery from the artificially imposed COVID recession. Only Biden could have gotten us out of lockdown, I’m sure. I won’t bore you with too many details, but meanwhile, real wages are flat at best— except for guys like us, of course *wink*
And… excuse me a moment… ah… ah, Ah, *sneeze* AFGHANISTAN!
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@YouFound_Lxam
In my opinion, the Democrats want Trump to run, so that Joe Biden has a chance against Trump, and a good one at that.
Not only is your opinion well founded, I don’t think it even qualifies as controversial.
The problem for Democrats is that in 2020, there was hope Biden would be a decent leader. Now, that possibility is beyond hope.
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@Greyparrot
Pure hubris.
Hopefully, seeing “TRUMP” emblazoned on his Boeing jet, his helicopter, his various hotels, etc. served as a warning about his love affair with himself.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You mean “make claims I can attack without looking like a complete dufus!” Please, don’t make your lack of comprehension my problem, especially when you posted to me unsolicited…
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Are you giving Trump credit for paying unemployment insurance? It wasn’t up to him. The program was created by FDR
You really are failing to keep up. Trump enacted the CARES Act. He even wanted his signature on the checks. And you were just defending it in your previous post— although you failed to realize that it was much more than the usual unemployment insurance. So, you were coming to Trump’s defense unintentionally… yet I’m the idiot. Everything ok? Are you feeling… fit enough to fly?
You just said you agreed with paying unemployment insurance. And nobody could predict the supply side problems I already listed.
No, I did not just say that I agreed (or disagreed, for that matter) with anything. I have just been stating facts… facts you seem to be having trouble processing properly.
When people are prohibited from creating goods and services as they were during the extended lockdowns, a definite lack of goods and services is the inevitable result as demand returns when those stimulus check laden people are released from said lockdown. It wasn’t the “if” but the “when” and the “how bad?” that was difficult to predict.
Because you didn’t see it coming, your ego compels you to believe that it was impossible for anyone to foresee.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
First, paying people, or as we call it, unemployment insurance, makes perfect sense to keep the economy from going into a downward spiral.
Firstly, I didn’t claim it didn’t make sense. Second, I am rather shocked to see you genuinely compliment Trump on something during his presidency.
Second, the experts at the FED had no way of knowing how long it would take production to spool up again or supply chains to be re-established. They didn’t know Nina would shut down again for Covid either. Or Putin would invade Ukraine causing issues with oil supply and grain supply..
Right… they had no idea that paying the citizenry while producing less goods and services would result in the perfect storm of too much money chasing too few goods and services…. and I’m the idiot… you are too much, man…
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@Greyparrot
I think paying people while they were actively prevented from producing goods and services was pretty much the most perfect recipe for inflation imaginable. Why people who study these things for a living thought this resultant inflation would be “transitory” is beyond me.
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@Greyparrot
I seriously doubt Yellen will be around after Biden exits stage...well, whatever direction his handlers point him to.
He enters with the “trot-walk,” does the whisper voice at some point in the middle, and finishes with the handshake to empty space… THEN exits in the direction he is pointed to.
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@Vegasgiants
I have not claimed debt causes inflation since Reagan first started exploding the debt
Right, because you believe Reagan’s exploding of the debt to be not at all problematic.
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@Greyparrot
It will be high after Biden leaves office as well.
What?? You don’t believe Powell’s and Yellen’s predictions (which were accepted uncritically by MSM) of “transitory” inflation back in 2021? Inflation is dropping like a stone, damnit!
If Biden’s successor should have an “R” affiliation, these two will suddenly A) change their tune on inflation and debt or B) go silent on the issue. It’s just the natural way of things…
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@Greyparrot
No doubt, but I’m mainly talking about the collective MSM such as CNN, the big networks, and the mainstream print media, as well as “The View” (jk)
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@Greyparrot
The difference is that the left is getting no flack for this false choice from MSM. The premise is just being posited… uncritically.
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@Greyparrot
Nice!
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@Vegasgiants
Why, that’s mighty big of you, sir or ma’am or what have you in there…
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@Vegasgiants
Let’s not.
I suggest you check out MMT if you haven’t already. You’re gonna love it!
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@Vegasgiants
Alas, the feeling isn’t mutual. I’m not sure if you completely missing my point is intentional or not…
Just curious, do you subscribe to Modern Monetary Theory by chance? I have a thread on it in the economics forum if you happen to have opinions on it.
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@Greyparrot
W Bush got a lot of flack for telling our allies “You’re either with us or against us” in the “War on Terror,” but now it appears that it is the left which is positing that false dichotomy regarding social justice causes.
Just curious— could a student have challenged that premise if well argued? I know, it would be a tall order especially for a teen, but I wince at the thought of students having to accept a certain premise as true uncritically…
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@Vegasgiants
But is it happening all across the galaxy? *eyeroll*
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