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@WyseGui
And yet without those books you wouldn't have those gods.
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@KingArthur
Denial of an unsupportable man made claim is somehow a religion? pfffft.
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@PGA2.0
Post 46 too hard?
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@WyseGui
You didn't but keep trying. You may even address the topic one day.
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@Tradesecret
How do you know this? Without the first witness to confirm the 100th telling of the story all you have is the 100th telling of the story.Books record things - but prior to books - people remembered things. And not like Chinese whispers - but really remembered things. We have lost this art today
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@Tradesecret
The problem of course is that these books have been written. This tends to support the notion that there may be truth to something within their pages.
The Harry Potter books have been written. This tends to support the notion that there may be truth to something within their pages.
I don't think so.
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So if your books didn't exist then your gods wouldn't, Your gods are contingent on your books.
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@WyseGui
Don't look now but the OT is part of the bible and Yahweh is first created in that book. Try again.
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@Tradesecret
How eternal can something be that hasn't been created yet?
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@WyseGui
EVIDENCE?Yahweh was around long before the bible.
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The three most prominent gods are Yahweh, Jesus and Allah. These gods are totally contingent upon the two books written about them. Without the bible and the quran these gods would not exist in the awareness of humans.
Given that, I wonder what gods would be the most prominent without those two books?
ie Which gods would you worship in their place?
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@KingArthur
And why do these things frighten you so?
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Hey et
The fun part, is that when a soul gains the right of passage, they too can create worlds and realities.
And you'll have flutterbys and flying squirrels and black and white rainbows and everything you read about in Mother Goose too. Oh happy days, there is one slight drawback and that is you'll be dead and completely unaware of anything at all. 4.5 billion years of evidence opposed by your few years of imagination, it's just not fair is it.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
The US is in greater danger of becoming a theocracy than any European country.
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@PGA2.0
You claim to have a fixed unchanging reference point and that point is the morality of your bible god, yes? Whatever your god claims is moral is always moral and whatever it claims is immoral is always immoral and your god can't be immoral, yes?Make sense of why your contrary and relative view is any better than mine or anyone else without a fixed reference point and measure.
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@PGA2.0
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Make sense of why your contrary and relative view is any better than mine or anyone else without a fixed reference point and measure.
You claim to have a fixed reference and that reference is the morality of your god, yes? It is fixed it is unchanging, whatever your god considers moral is always moral and whatever it considers immoral it is always immoral, yes?
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@PGA2.0
You claim to have a fixed reference and that reference is the morality of your god, yes? It is fixed it is unchanging, whatever your god considers moral is always moral and whatever it considers immoral it is always immoral, yes?Make sense of why your contrary and relative view is any better than mine or anyone else without a fixed reference point and measure.
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@PGA2.0
According to you the bible is the word of god ergo your god says that illness is caused by evil demons. Was your god being truthful?The Bible described treatments for a period of history
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@keithprosser
But it doesn't.But surely the argument is that as the bible contains an uncannily accurate prophecy of events more than 500 years in its future
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@PGA2.0
The atheistic worldview has nothing to offer.
Except the truth.
But the truth really frightens you.
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@Yassine
You're very slow on the uptake look.- Once you define God as a necessary being & proceed to demonstrate the existence of said necessary being, then you can not identify it with a contingent being. That would violate the very law of non-contradiction, it's like saying God is both contingent & non-contingent, which is a contradiction. It's just too embarrassing when retards attempt to sound clever. ;-)
Your god is not defined as a necessary being, you claim it is a necessary being
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@Yassine
Your god is not defined as a necessary being, you claim it is a necessary being and you have no supporting evidence for that claim. Your god is totally contingent on the people who claim it's existence as do all gods, it simply doesn't exist without that.
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@Yassine
Your pathetic hatred is merely a reflection of the shooter's hatred. You and he are the cause of this worlds problems.
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@Yassine
If you mean by god that god people claim to know, then yeah. Contingent means its existence is in the realm of possibility, as it may or may not exist. If it does exist, it must have an explanation for its existence. If it doesn't then it doesn't -which it doesn't, no explanation needed.
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@PGA2.0
All of this are the claims of men, ignorant, primitive, superstious men. Do you have anything from your god?How would you know this God unless He had revealed Himself and He has chosen to do that by His word? The Bible reveals His word is powerful enough to create the universe, just by speaking it into existence. Jesus spoke as one having authority. If you do not accept that authority how do you expect to know Him? He has made it the vehicle by which we come to faith through.
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@Stephen
The rise of white inferiority nazism is the cause, they recognise but refuse to acknowledge how inferior to everything they are but desperately desire to be superior to a brain damaged garden slug. The shooter is a combination of small man's syndrome and no brain syndrome.
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@Stephen
I agree but if you're waiting for a godist to reply, you'll have a long wait.
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@Yassine
Prove that bigfoot is contingent on anything. I'm unconcerned by your cakeshop philosophy.
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@FaustianJustice
I have no idea why this is addressed to me.
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@keithprosser
The scenarios are not the same.
In one and 3 only 200 survive.
In 2 and 4 there is a chance for all to survive.
Bet on the longshot.
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@keithprosser
In for a penny in for a pound, I'm feeling lucky.
2 and 4
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Winston Smith would be appalled at Americans welcoming his nemesis.
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Hey dope
Is it your contention that the Slump wont be able to build anymore hotels because he won't have illegal immigrants that he's paying half wages to, if he pays them?
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Hey dope
I love the fear of the ignorant, go and change your knickers.
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@PGA2.0
The universe is contingent [i.e., occurring or existing only if (certain circumstances) are the case; dependent on] on something else for its existence. God is not.
"God is not" is your claim, now prove it.
All gods are contingent on humans without whom there would be no gods.
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@Analgesic.Spectre
Locks only stop honest people numpty.
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@Analgesic.Spectre
And you would know how. A bill of rights does not bestow freedom of speech, go ask MLK jnr. You numpty.
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@Analgesic.Spectre
Fraser Anning, Poorlean Handmedown. If Aus didn't have free speech you wouldn't hear from those fascists.
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It pacifies their ridiculous fear of death and supports the hubris of being the most special thing in the universe. It's basically the coward's retreat.
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@PGA2.0
You haven't produced any such prophesies.
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@Yassine
You mean bigfoot.As to what makes a being 'necessary' or 'necessarily existent' it is that they are not contingent on (caused or explained by) any other being.
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@Tradesecret
No! As you state earlier, you think atheist. It's a reflection of your wilfull inability to recognise what atheism is.Yet, whenever I read your posts, I just think crazy old angry man who
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@ludofl3x
Google George Pell the number three in the Vatican who has just been sentenced to six years in prison for children fucking.
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@crossed
There's actually millions if there's one.
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