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BIDEN building the TRUMP WALL
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@Vici
Trump promised a wall along the entire Mexico-US boundary, paid for by Mexico.
Biden seems to be constructing a wall specifically to fill a gap between existing walls in hotspot areas for illegal crossings.

It's not a good look for Biden, but it does show that he is capable of listening to advisors and data for the betterment of the American people despite the flack he will get for it and ultimately, I think that's commendable. 
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Supreme Court Votes to overturn Roe v Wade Draft Shows.
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@sadolite
"The Senate will vote to protect Roe V Wade." Sooo the Supreme Court serves no purpose as the Senate can just vote to override any ruling the Supreme Court makes based not on the law but feelings. I see no point in the taxpayer funding the judicial branch of govt any longer. The Senate is both the legislative and Judicial branch of govt. The Supreme court no longer has any legal standing it is just the opinions of 9 people that can be overridden at anytime by the Senate.  The legal opinion of any judge sitting on the supreme court carries no more weight than my legal opinion. The Supreme Court no longer  decides what laws are Constitutional, the Senate does. Again what purpose does the Supreme court serve if their rulings can be overridden by the Senate? I'll wait for your legal opinion,  it carries the same weight as a Supreme Court justice.
The legislative branch does not have the power to literally protect Roe V Wade as in the ruling made by the supreme court. What they do have the power to do is enact legislation that encapsulates the ideas behind Roe v Wade (access to abortion) into law. And that should be perfectly fine as the supreme court has simply ruled that the right to abortion is not one guaranteed by the constitution. This does not bar such rights being enacted at either the federal or state level.

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School systems should include LBTQ+ topics in their history and sex education
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@sadolite
I'm not mocking you for your belief. I'm mocking you for your infantile approach at justifying it.

Case in point: Asserting that gay does not mean homosexual, when it is established as such in both official language authorities and by common parlance, just because you want to serve the point that language does not change? Juvenile and ridiculous.
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@sadolite
That's a lot of assertions with absolutely zero evidence behind them. I think you might actually be doing worse than 5 year olds.
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@sadolite
Science includes reproducible visual evidence and more. The fact that your methodology is limited to reproducible visual evidence alone actually makes it worse than science. Even more so when considering the fallibility of humans. Case in point: intersex people.

 No different than saying gay means homosexual. It doesn't, never has never will. The fact that you accept it as meaning homosexual is  meaningless. Gay does not mean homosexual. Gay means to be joyful or happy.  
I am quite happy to inform you that both language and use of language evolves over time. We are able to keep track of this, with a thing called a dictionary.

Believing you are not the GENDER you were born as is a mental disorder. Its call gender dysphoria. That is the SCIENTIFIC term for it. Your attempt to try and interchange gender and psychological disorders is scientifically laughable. 
Gender dysphoria and the concept of multiple genders aren't actually mutually exclusive right?

There are two genders male and female.
As far as I can tell, your argument is essentially "I've seen only seen two types of genitalia, therefore there are only two genders".

Come now, I've seen better argumentation from 5 year olds.
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@sadolite
LOL That's a two way street buddy.
That's why generally when citing science as an authority, you should be able to support your argument with credible scientific research or articles.

What you are doing is using "science" as a buzzword to inject some semblance of authority into your arguments whenever you find it convenient.
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@sadolite
There are two genders. Science says so. 

Science saying there are multiple genders is willful scientific malpractice.
In otherwords, science is science when it agrees with me. Science is not science when it doesn't.

That's not how it works buddy
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Jury Intimidation.
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@Greyparrot
Is it only a problem on the radical left?
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Youtube officially designates dislike button as "hate speech"
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@bmdrocks21
I think it highlights his frustrations with conspiratorial babble quite nicely
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Ashley Biden's Diary.
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@ILikePie5
Wait, what did he do?
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I don't understand how homosexuality exists to the extent society says it does
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@TheUnderdog
Are you familiar with recessive genes?
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Why do you still raise Trump as an issue?
As to this faux; sorry, don't know who that is.

Clueless? I'm clueless for asking valid questions that absolutely no one has answered ever since Hilarious Balloon Girl said Trump was a threat.

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progressives are bad for the democrats
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@949havoc
 Where are you getting this "Participatory Budgeting" from? It doesn't seem to be in the GND text: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/109/text
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43 percent approve of Biden. 43% say he is mentally sharp.
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@Greyparrot
So why do so many people interpret the things Biden says as mentally sharp, or is this a matter of faith?
What are people specifically interpreting? The average person is not going to hear endless soundbites of Biden misspeaks. I think the average person is going to hear him do one or two speeches in which he does a passable job.

I don't remember any Trump supporter saying he was particularly sharp or witty with his speech as most of the Trump supporters I knew personally couldn't stand the man and questioned his abilities, but absolutely supported the things he did.

Not a single one of them would say with a straight face that Trump was "mentally sharp"
That's fine, but how does this translate to polling? Because this poll https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/trackers/donald-trump-honest indicates that 33%~ of registered voters think that Trump was honest and trustworthy.

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43 percent approve of Biden. 43% say he is mentally sharp.
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@Greyparrot
You aren't going to get more than speculation. That said for any president, there is always going to be a minimum base support composed of the uninformed or crazy (Which is what FLRW is pointing out).

That and I suspect that while Biden is clearly showing his age in many instances, many people are making a bigger deal out of it than what others are.
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Theory about conservatives
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@ethang5
You aren't. But boy do you think you are! You will presume to decide for others what's relevant, you will
describe the argument of others and pretend your description is reality, you totally act as if your perception is actual reality.

This is why Liberals want all details and context removed. Because reality shames them. So in our discussion you've regressed to no position at all except, "The crowd chanted."

You run from your hypocrasy of calling an actually violent crowd, "mostly peaceful" while calling the peaceful crowd, violent. So when I mention your hypocrasy, you squeal that I'm "veering".
I say your veering because calling me a hypocrite
1. Doesn't actually advance your argument (ad hom fallacy, whataboutism)
2. Factually incorrect for the reasoning you've provided anyway (where have I said an actually violent crowd is mostly peaceful?)

You cant even say what the crowd was, only what it was "not". You can't address the lack of any arrests for attempted murder, rebellion, insurrection, or treason. You can't mention Pelosi or her role as capitol police boss, you can't mention the FBI report on the events on the date we are discussing. All of those things to you are, me "wandering off screeching."
That's rather the process of arguments. You've listed several premises to lead you to the conclusion that there was no insurrection. So one way to address the conclusion is to tackle the premises one by one. Unfortunately you don't seem to be able to engage with even just the one...
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Theory about conservatives
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@ethang5
It's not that I'm always right in the slightest. It's that you veer off so far from logic or sensibilities that in the end, you haven't actually addressed anything and you wander off screeching random conservative positions.
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Theory about conservatives
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@ethang5
There is a tremendous amount of projection in that post. But having said that, I think you've misunderstood. I'm not calling you a dishonest partisan hack because it's a replacement of an argument. I'm calling you a dishonest partisan hack because you've demonstrated that you are a dishonest partisan hack. If your eyes are sliding past my actual arguments, that's between you and your maker.
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Theory about conservatives
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@ethang5
To be clear, I did take all the evidence in. Personally I concluded that in the context of protestors who are motivated enough to join a protest, who feel their rights have been taken away, who feel they have no other recourse in combination with death chants, gallows, property damage and violence, the January 6th protestors cannot be concluded to be festive. Frankly, it doesn't make sense to happy when you feel your rights have been taken away from you.

But of course, this has nothing to do with me. This has to do with your nth deflection where you are simply unable to engage with any sort of conversation.

QED dishonest partisan hack
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Theory about conservatives
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@ethang5
Of course. You always think evidence showing your bias and hypocrasy is "irrelevant" to your position. I happen to disagree. It is relevant.
Oh? Ok then. Could you explain how one event is relevant to an argument for another and how my bias and hypocrisy is shown, and why my bias and hypocrisy is relevant?

Spin. That is your biased interpretation. I have evidence that the crowd WAS friendly and festive, you want to focus on one tiny thing and interpret the entire crowd by it, ignoring all the other evidence.
The context of this protest is "I support Trump. I believe our election was stolen. I have been illegally disenfranchised. All the institutional safeguards have failed, including SCOTUS, Pence and Barr. I believe this to such an extent I am travelling all the way to DC to make my voice heard and to stop this miscarriage of justice."

So when you are presented evidence that the crowd is not friendly and festive and ignore it despite the context, you are the one ignoring all the other evidence. 

Hence dishonest partisan hack

So, if, according to you the crowd was neither rebellious or festive, what were they?
I leave it simply as "not friendly and festive".
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Theory about conservatives
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@ethang5
I denied that the chant made the crowd rebellious.
Which is interesting because no one has asserted that the chant made the crowd rebellious.

I did this by showing you video of the crowd being friendly and festive.
While I have no doubt there are videos of the crowd being friendly and festive, you haven't actually shown any videos of such. However it's concerning that you think you have.

 I had supporting facts that the crowd was not an insurrection, and that no one was arrested for rebellion or insurrection.
You certainly did bring up such facts. However that is not the contention here so I don't know why.

I gave you examples of crowds (Antifa/BLM) that were actually rebellious and actually violent with their chants. 
Irrelevant to my position. Also irrelevant to any position that concerns the events of January the 6th.

 Your position is that the "Hang Mike Pence" means the crowd was rebellious.
Incorrect. My position is that the existence of the Hang Mike Pence chanters is contradictory to your claim that the protesters were friendly and festive.
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Theory about conservatives
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@ethang5
That's the point. You haven't denied the chant and yet your position is that the crowd was friendly and festive. 

There is a sliding scale between "Friendly and festive" and "Violent and rebellious" which the chant demonstrates. But your description paints a pretty and utterly fake narrative which does allow for anything other than friendly and festive.

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@ethang5
To be quite clear,  the description of "I see people solemly singing the national anthem, taking selfies with capitol officers, and having doors held open for elderly ladies." does not match up with "protesters were chanting “let’s hang with Mike Pence”. You can dismiss anything you like, but until you actually address this discrepancy instead of conjuring up an excuse, you are a dishonest partisan hack.

I don't need to address anything. I haven't made any claims, you have. And when confronted with a contradiction to that claim, you deflect. When you get called out for deflecting, you deflect again. 

To be clear, there is no implication from my end that the crowd was violent and rebellious and that is not a claim I have made. The only claim here is that people were chanting "hang mike pence". Now obviously, this is just an expression of free speech and an element of a protest. However, one is hardly "friendly and festive" if one is chanting for the lynching of someone, which is a contradiction.

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@ethang5
Stop being a douche. I never denied the chant. What I denied was that Jan 6th was some sort of insurrection against America instigated by Trump.
That's the point. You haven't denied the chant and yet your position is that the crowd was friendly and festive. 

There is a sliding scale between "Friendly and festive" and "Violent and rebellious" which the chant demonstrates. But your description paints a pretty and utterly fake narrative which does allow for anything other than friendly and festive.

So dishonest partisan hack? Absolutely apt description of you.


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@ethang5
To be clear, there is no implication from my end that the crowd was violent and rebellious and that is not a claim I have made. The only claim here is that people were chanting "hang mike pence". Now obviously, this is just an expression of free speech and an element of a protest. However, one is hardly "friendly and festive" if one is chanting for the lynching of someone, which is a contradiction.

Also the fact that video footage of protesters chanting "hang mike pence" being readily available from the first page of a google search also indicates that you are, again, a dishonest partisan hack.


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@ethang5
I don't need to address anything. I haven't made any claims, you have. And when confronted with a contradiction to that claim, you deflect. When you get called out for deflecting, you deflect again. 

Hence dishonest partisan hack
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@ethang5
Do you know why we dismiss this liberal charge? Because BLM/Antifa have been chanting, "Death to America/Kill the pigs" and burning flags for years. Yet for you, "Hang Mike Pence" is an "insurrection against America. We dismiss blatant hypocrisy.
To be quite clear,  the description of "I see people solemly singing the national anthem, taking selfies with capitol officers, and having doors held open for elderly ladies." does not match up with "protesters were chanting “let’s hang with Mike Pence”. You can dismiss anything you like, but until you actually address this discrepancy instead of conjuring up an excuse, you are a dishonest partisan hack.
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Biden: total failure
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@Mesmer
It's quite simple really. If you cut a department you gain money. But what was the department using that money on, and consequently, what do you lose? 

Making an uninformed decision is pretty much the definition of shortsightedness
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Covid vaccine vs Ivermectin. Which is better for treating covid?
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@TheUnderdog
On the one hand, we have peer-reviewed studies showing the efficacy of vaccines against covid-19. On the otherhand, we have a talkshow host's anecdotal evidence. I mean...

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Biden: total failure
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@sadolite
While I don't think you're wrong to say that the US spending budget is a horrible mess, the perspective of "I don't under how it benefits the US or how it personally benefits me, therefore toss it out" is incredibly shortsighted.
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Covid2 4.4 Million Dead Globally
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@sadolite
Mask manufacturers do not need to claim mask efficacy against pathogen transmission, for masks to be effective against pathogen transmission. An omission of a claim is not equivalent to the negation of the claim. Your logic here only works if mask manufacturers had specifically stated that masks do not work against pathogen transmission. But even then, mask manufacturers are not healthcare professionals or experts in pathogen transmission. So why would you take their advice anyway? It would be like taking the medical advice of essential oil manufacturers. 

Anyway, here are some peer-reviewed scientific studies on mask use in viral transmission control.


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Biden: total failure
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@ethang5
Sure. Trump initiated the production of vaccines, and cleared away FDA red tape that would take years to approve a vaccine.

Idiot Democrats insisted that a vaccine could never be brought in time. They were wrong. Operation warp speed was all Trump.
There's a difference between allowing for rapid vaccine development - which of course Trump is credited for, and effectively distributing vaccines which Biden is responsible for.

Trump announced that we would be leaving Afghanistan. He even set the leave date. In fact, Trump vowed as a candidate to end silly wars.

The idiot move of asking the military leave before civilians and not securing military equipment was all Biden.
So he kicked the bucket down the road and didn't actually orchestrate a material withdrawal of Afghanistan?
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@ethang5
The vaccines was Trump. Leaving Afghanistan was Trump.
Could you expand on these assertions further?

According to this link, https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations only 16.5 million vaccine doses had been administered by the time Trump left office. Since a grand total of 370 million have been administered now, that leaves 353.5 million vaccines that you have attributed to Trump, despite him being out of office in that period.

And of course, according to Wikipedia, the end of the Afghanistan War occurred on the 15th of August, 2021. This is again a period where Trump was out of office.
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@ethang5
Barbed wire around the Capitol months after the inaugaration. Press conferences with no questions. A president suffering from dementia. High food and fuel prices. Dumb foreign policies. An out of control southern border. Collusion with big tech against the American people. Spending America's money on foreigners first. Political prisoners. A blindingly stupid 3 trillion dollar spending package.
Ended the 20 year war in Afghanistan that preceding presidents failed to do. Oversaw revolutionary bipartisan spending package to improve American infrastructure. Enacted effective delivery of vaccines and economic relief packages to stem impacts of Covid-19 pandemic and improve American quality of life. 

No new wars started. First president to meet NK's leader and get him to stop long range missile launches. Highest employment rates for women and minorities. A secure southern border. Brokering a peace deal with Israel and 5 Arab countries. Enforcing the country's laws on immigration and religious rights. Making European nation's pay their fair share for their defense. Renegotiating better trade deals with Mexico and Canada. A sound and growing economy.
Damaged relationships with allied nations. Gave concessions to many foreign nations traditionally regarded as adversaries. Raised the debt of the nation significantly by cutting taxes for the wealthy. Embroiled himself and his staff in scandal, including multiple criminal convictions of associates. Perpetuated unsubstantiated theories and distributed misinformation across the nation, leading to American deaths. 

All presidents have their good and bad. Cherry picking only the good and only the bad is trivial.
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Should the age of consent be lowered?
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@TheUnderdog
That infographic is old. Spain apparently raised the age of consent from 13 to 16 within the last decade.

And to be clear, one country's laws should not be predicated on anothers. And once that is recognised, by your logic it would be perfectly reasonable to do away with the age of consent entirely.
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Why I support MTG for president
Personally, empathy and intelligence are some of the characteristics I look for in a leader. Unfortunately MTG is critically lacking in both.
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Covid2 4.4 Million Dead Globally
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@sadolite
In your opinion, as a society should we strive to minimize risk of death where we can?

Or was that paragraph only in reference to the heavy handed measures to combat covid-19?
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Liberals and communists are hypocrites
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@StevenCrowder
It's not hypocrisy to say that one group should be banned but another should not. You should examine the rationales as to why one group should be banned, and then examine how those rationales are applied to the other group. It is the consistent application of values and rationales that determines hypocrisy.


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Competency, anyone? V2: Kammie chimes in
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@fauxlaw
I would think that it is quite natural and exceedingly wise for health recommendations to change in response to new knowledge and different factors.
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Biden was Trump’s Veep? In 2008?
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@fauxlaw
I mean personally, I see a stark difference between keeping record of someone's deliberate deception and misinformation, and keeping record of someone's senility.

But hey, that's just my opinion.
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Is Donald trump racist?
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@ILikePie5
Being called a Russian Agent is astronomically worse, especially if it’s literally proven false.
To be fair, I said say or do anything. While I'm not necessarily a person who can say what is and what isn't effective diplomacy in terms of what's best for the US, I'm not sure gagging on Putin's dick (metaphorically) every time they meet counts.

And previous Presidents haven’t gotten as many votes either. You and I both know that without mail in voting, Trump would’ve easily won. 

Don’t worry tho, states are making sure this shit doesn’t happen again. It’s why Dems are panicking. Just look at Texas for example.
I'm not sure what this has to do with Trump being a shitty person. You can still support a candidate based on his policies even if he is a shitty person.
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Is Donald trump racist?
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@ILikePie5
That doesn’t mean anything lol. Trump could say nothing and they’d still run a hit piece on him 24/7 based on so many fake news stories
That's part and package of being the president, where every action and move is scrutinized. However the types of stories you would get would be in the same vein as Obama's tan suit and choice of dijon mustard - things that aren't particularly important or offensive.

You’ll note that previous Presidents all had a career in politics. There’s a reason why there are so many fake news stories. Just like bounties hoax and Russia Russia Russia
I think there's an even more obvious link you're missing. The previous presidents haven't been shitty people.
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Is Donald trump racist?
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@ILikePie5
Every public figures words are scrutinized. The president of the US most of all. The secret to not get hounded by the media? Don't say or do dumbfuck things.

You'll notice previous presidents don't have pages on their racial views. It's because controversial racial statements are a category of dumbfuck things that most people can avoid openly saying.
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Trump supporters vs Gays
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@MisterChris
humor is a stretch

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trump's big tech lawsuit is stupid
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@ILikePie5
To be clear, even if Trump did not have the specific intent to incite a riot, a riot still occurred and the root cause of it was Trump. 

Just wanted to highlight this point in case everyone gets in a mess of legalese and technicalities.
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15$ minimum wage
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@TheUnderdog
College degrees are either required or irrelevant for a job.  The jobs I'm talking about have a college degree as irrelevant.  With a mechanic for instance, a college degree is irrelevant.
When employers look for employees, they look for the best possible candidates. This gives them the most value for their investment. What "best" is varies across the different industries, but is generally a mix of experience, skills, education, cultural fit and personal traits. When employees ask for GEDs at a minimum, they are specifically asking for the educational and personal trait aspects that earning a GED implies.

For example, a GED implies a baseline level of academic ability, the ability to learn, and the personal traits that allow you to learn. However, as we've already discussed, the vast majority of US adults have a GED. You aren't special for achieving a GED. Hence having a GED does not imply you are the best possible candidate. It only implies you have that most basic possible qualification to be considered.  

Enter college degrees. The amount of people who are degree holders is significantly lower. They show that you have committed yourself to an intense level of advanced study for at least four years, in a reasonably more niche field. Are you special? Not really, but having a college degree implies you are able to learn and apply that learning to a higher degree than a GED does.

If you're paying a significant amount over minimum wage for someone, you are going to be making damn well sure that that someone is the best possible candidate. This includes levels of education not stated.

There is a difference between skills and experience.  Skills can be obtained through courses the applicant would have to do that are relatively cheap to do.  Experience for a job isn't necessary, but only useful for higher salaries.  Every single mechanic was at one point, not experienced.  Yet their company accepted that and gave them the experience to do well because they knew that they could hire an inexperience mechanic for less and when that mechanic gets more experienced, he gets raises.  People with no experience are cheaper to hire.
Jobs that need neither skills nor experience are minimum wage jobs. A fact that can be verified by scanning a jobs board briefly...

The work they do is more productive than working at McDonalds.
I think you'll find that those without skills and experience who try to perform in a role that requires skills and experience are rather unproductive.

How?  You just find a new place to rent.

And to be clear, if you are on minimum wage, you probably do not have a surplus of dollars to throw around for a job that may or may not get, which is where the risk comes in. In fact if you're living paycheck to paycheck, you probably don't even have a surplus full stop. I believe we've already gone over this before where you thought someone working for a fuckton of hours a day was viable standard of living?
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A hotdog is not a sandwich. But is a burger a sandwich?
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@TheUnderdog
Jobs might prefer to hire someone with a higher level degree, but given that they pay very high salaries and no college degree is required, such companies don't really care because college education isn't required.
A college degree isn't required for many jobs that require a college degree. It is still required because a college degree is a meaningful achievement. Just because a GED is a minimum, doesn't mean college degree isn't overwhelmingly preferred.

If your referring to on the job training, you obtain that while working at the job.
I'm referring to the fact that there are plenty of occupations that value skills and experience over a formal qualification, but if you have none of the three, you just aren't a competitive candidate. Why should someone take the risk of taking in someone who has absolutely no skills over someone who does? Moreover, what value does someone bring to the company such that they merit a high wage?

In my personal experience, the majority of minimum wage workers have at least a highschool diploma. If they are perminately out of school, they can find better work. They just need to look up the jobs they can get.
Your personal experience is irrelevant. 10% of US adults do not have a GED.

I imagine the vast majority of them if not, all of them. If they have families, they just bring their families to a new place to work. They are probably renting, so they just need to find a new spot to rent (possibly).
What you imagine is irrelevant. Moving is expensive and risky. If you are on minimum wage, this is probably an expense you likely cannot afford. 
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@TheUnderdog
You sure about this?  The university of Georgetown found 13 million jobs in the US that only require a HS degree to do that pay $55K/year or more.  This is roughly $27/hour.  There are only 1.6 million minimum wage workers, the majority of whom are in highschool or college.  There are enough jobs for everyone.  People in these positions just need to search for them.
Of these jobs, how many would prefer to hire someone with a higher-level degree over just a high school diploma?
Of these jobs, how many require a specific set of skills and/or experience that isn't necessarily translated from higher-level degrees?
Of these minimum wage workers, how many have a GED to be eligible for these jobs?
Of these minimum wage workers, how many are able to accommodate for the lifestyle changes of a high-paying job that only requires a GED?

All you've demonstrated is that there are jobs with a minimal level of qualification, but you haven't demonstrated that there is a pool of workers that are likely to get or succeed in these roles.
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Should reparations be provided for slavery?
It depends what is meant by reparations. The reality is, you have certain ethnic groups in America that as a whole live with poorer socioeconomic conditions. I personally think that a government should be acting in the best interests of its citizens and constructing effective policy that target factors that perpetuate poorer socioeconomic outcomes.

This should apply to whatever ethnic background you come from, but obviously those who need more help (say because of historical slavery and/or discrimination) should probably get more help.
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