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Yes. As I said; several. There was once a list of all the charges made against every person arrested.

This citation from Newsweek in 2023 is not the list I had. That list was complete, listing names, charges, and results of trial with dates. Attempting to retrieve it was fruitless, it's been coincidentally pulled. This list does not include charges in all cases, but does list convictions. Not one, as I d=said, for insurrection.

That is exactly what it was.  An opportunity for Democrat, and even a few Republican talking points. I do not believe our government ought to be operated by talking points. It has a constitutional framework to follow, and, sorry for the misguided pols, but political parties area not therein mentioned, while even God is.

You treat the money supply as if it is a constant. Since when? There is no ceiling to the money supply, not even if you're a communist. They, too, like the idea of a continuously growing money supply, they just don't like to admit it. I question the integrity of anyone not willing to discuss the negatives of their particular take on politics/economy.

It is correct. Context, Mall. You totally ignore context. I told you how complete a read is necessary, because every single verse does not catalog itself for its nuances, yet you continue citing single verses, and not even whole verses. The whole read, cover to cover, is necessary, and I told you why. Do it, then ask questions. I am not going to bible-bash with you. I am not. period. It is a complete waste of time; mine and yours. Do you think I've read only the Bible to acquire what I have learned in holy writ? Give me some credit for being a 75-year-old book-worm, who first started reading books at four. Not the Bible, certainly, but by eight I was reading it, and finished my first read at 10. My father was a book work, and, fortunately I now own 1/3 of his vast collection, and have read most of them, with my two older brothers having the other 2/3. Yes, there where men, and women, as spirit children of God before Earth was created. Yes, gender is pre-mortal, =mortal, and post-mortal. No one is gong to change that by hormones, thought, or surgery. And "wrapping" that spirit in a mortal coil was not making mud pies. And there are multiple Gods. God the Father is one. Jesus Christ is one. The Holy Spirit is one. There are others., each separate and distinct beings. There is no mysterious 3-in-1 like super charged oil.

With regard to the US Statute  18 USC §2383, are there any Democrat members of this site with sufficient lack of bias to explain, while there were charges of insurrection against a few of the hundreds of people charged with a variety of crimes for Jan 6 involvement, why there is not one single conviction for insurrection, yet your political-finger-pointing talkers continue to call the incident an "insurrection?" Some of you do, too. Since there are no convictions, it didn't happen, did it?  Something did, but that is not what it was, was it? Can you call it what it was please? Don't ask me; I not the one giving answers.  Don't wait for your talking pointers; they're sold down the river. Keep a decent head on your shoulders, huh?

I was wondering how long it would take this string to mention a relation to Trump effect. Democrats are paranoid; Republicans are prematurely efactulating. Glad I'm an Indie.

So, are paranoid Democats now going to assume this choice was made due to the Trump effect? They are so badly in need of a leader whose first thought in the morning is not how to defeat Trump. They've already tried twice and lost with impeachment. That, obviously, does not work, but then there's that notion that trying something over and over again, expecting different results...  Currently, that person is an empty suit, and they'd best be figuring out with whom to fill it, and none of the usual names are going to cut it. Mid-term is coming, let alone 28

This, and a hundred other similar arguments around the world would find solace and comfort, and the truth, by learning the real lesson taught at the Tower of Babel. I wondered for a long time why God should have confounded the tongues of the builders of that tower as a means of changing their paradigm. I suddenly realized the intent was to teach them a simple lesson: get along in spite of our differences. Learn to work together, live together, cry together, and rejoice together. We were all meant to sit around one table of plentiful joys and sorrows, and we're meant to enjoy them and overcome them working together. When we achieve that, we will finally understand what a generous and purposeful consequence it is. What a delight for the heart, mind, and soul. Then, all of us will sit at the grand table where all foods are enjoyed, all law respected, all hands joined, all cultures embraced, all languages interpreted, all skin colors celebrated, and all deities honored. What else could we ever want or need? Then, we will realize Jimmy Madison's dream, not for just the U.S.A.., but for the world, "a more perfect union." In fact, the perfect union.

What does Functional Behavioral Assessment have to do with blacks, or any other physical expression of human [race is not a genetic function according to the Human Genome Project, so, why use it as if it is]. And be sure everyone understands your acronym, because there are, on occasion, separate usages of acronyms, and this one, I'm certain, is not yours. Yes, I know the Fundamental Black thingy, but, as already mentioned, that designation is meaningless. We're all human; leave it at that. Why try to segregate what genome fact does not? The sooner you get that, the sooner you understand why you don't agree, and change your paradigm to reality.

I did not make it up. Yes, there is scripture for it, but I'm not what I call a Bible-basher. I would tell you to go read it, but my implication is the whole bloody volume, cover to cover. Best way I know to answer more than pone question. Besides, one verse is not sufficient. To see the whole, read the whole of it. Job tells us in his flesh, he shall see God. Christ, observed to die on the cross, was, in the third day later, and days after that, witnessed to be alive and physical. Further, I have three other volumes of scripture to present to you: the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine & Covenants, the Pearl of Great Price. More reading, and greater understanding. That's your challenge, if you're up to it. And, tree's more: read the Quran, read the Torrah, read the Vega, read the Tai Chi...  Truth is where you find it. Then, of curse, pray about it, with sincere heart, and real intent, so you can. separate truth from theory. God wants to know you want it, and are not just passing the time if day over the back fence. He'll do that too, but is not so revealing in that circumstance.

More than one God, and more than one human. "male and female" were created, in the image of gods [plural] impliyiolng multiple gods are also multiple [2] genders; male and female. Yes, women are also exalted to godhood. You and I, and everyone else ever born on Earth have a mother in heaven as well as a father, as well as on Earth. That's why no more than two genders; that's all there is. Any other consideration is a head-trip, and there are solutions for that without mutilating the body, let alone corrupting our children with absurd theory.

Speakong for yourself, I presume, so, why not say that. It is a general fallacy to always assume everyone opposed to are a colle3ctive of the same stripe. That's no more true than that all Democerats area now afraid of trheur own shadow. I never say that. Some, yes. I am not a TRumper naga, I just voted for the guy because Kamalala was a joke few could laugh at. Some could.

But yuo can only guess that outstanding cases willgfo against Truimp. I prefer the wait and see, thanks, since some have already gone his way. Law of averages, and all that.  And if you're counting the 60-some cases that were filed after the 20 election, "cont4esting the election," do take a look at who the plaintiff was. It was never Trump, himself, just other people and organizations, so they cannot be counted as "against Trump." Everybody overlooks that.

"Yahweh" or "Jehovah" are names for the pre-mortal Jesus Christ, It is he who is the God of the OT, except for a few references, such as the creation story of Genesis in which both are participants, and a couple of other references.  "Elohim" is as name some Bible scholars attribute to God, the Father, but that name, in Hebrew, is a plural name, i.e., reference to a collection of Gods, chiefly those participating in Genesis creation, thus "Let us create man in our likeness..." Plural Hebrew bound usually en in "I'm," but, even so, on rare occasion, the name is used in the singular, and some Hebrew scholars have allowed that the reference is to Jesus. The name is also seen as "Eloi" as a transliteration of ancient Egyptian texts, potentially learned from Abraham when he journeyed to Egypt for a time.

Death is a door through which all who shave lived on Earth in the flesh will pass, but with perfected, uncorrupted flesh

is what that phrase should have said in my post #97. I mangled it. Sorry.

Some what-ifs are useless suggestion, kind of like navigating by navel lint. You throw it in the air and go in that resulting direction. Useless unless the destination is within eyesight, and then, use the eyes, not navel lint.

Free will is  an obvious human characteristic. The scientists who are "proving" by MRI that decision occurs before thought can collect choices and make a choice are akin to using some measurement device like a ruler with increment marks made but a blind baboon. Who told them an MRI can measure 10x accuracy the tolerance band of thought frequency. 10x is the minimum acceptable measurement accuracy of any world class measurement. If the tolerance is +/- 0.001, your measurement accuracy must be +/- 0.0001. when dealing in milliseconds of brain activity, the MRI, according to my brother, a radiologist by full career, now retired, is not capable. Oops.  Nope, thought-decision-action is entirely by free will for a free individual. The universe does not decide a bloody thing, being non-sentient.

Except the only criminal case that has resulted in a criminal conviction is under a couple of appeals. You may end up with a reversed, if not vacated decision before all is settled. Then what? An orange man accusation, which is all a matter of media lighting, after all, and not reality skin color, my friend. Oops.

I have never said this is fairy tale and a magic wand. I accept that right now,  the process of resurrection from death, particularly if one's body is blown to smitheries for example, with noting to bury and how resurrection processes in any instance, even with a fully incorporated dead body, is fully understood;  just that it happens and does not involve magic of any kind, but a process that is entirely natural. We cannot claim to know how all such processes work, just that  do and will when necessary. Scientific knowledge is not yet complete, but that does not imply that magic explains the unknown.

No, I do not believe God uses a magic wand. I believe he understands natural law and far greater extent than we do, and employs it by word of command, just as we have some power to engage natural law by our "command," i,.e., making use of the processes of natural law we do understand now, and will continue to learn because there is no end to gaining new knowledge, and gaining the experience to use it.

Your question of how Jesus ascended to heaven goes back to assertion of magic. It's merely a process we do not yet undirstrand, in agreement with my immediate previous statement. I believe in scientific principle, I just don't think we have yet plumbed the depth of it. We will. That is what eternity is for.

Aliens, not angels? Does it really matter what we call "off-Earth aliens?" We use that term, now, and it is probably accurate - people who do not live on Earth, or at least were not born here, or are people who were born here, and have advanced, some have been resurrected and now come back from time to time. Just because some of these "aliens" call themselves names, God the Father, Jesus Christ, Moroni, John the Baptist, Peter, James and John, Gabriel, and who knows who else - does all that make any difference? I believe the universe is fully inhabited by people like us, and who may have different traits than we express, like maybe having long, sentient tails and blue skin, and oneness with nature, and we, ourselves, express a wide variety of appearance, but all humanoid. Hell, we have not yet even reached agreement that we area all really the same under the skin, and until we do, we blunt our progress. Thus, in the end analysis, I do. not separate science and religion. Not just two coins, and not even just one coin of two sides, but the same side of one coin. And how these "aliens" travel about the universe... a spaceship? perhaps, some. Others may have learned how to transport themselves by command of thought. Who knows? One day, we will know. I can live with the temporary disappointment of not yet knowing all things. Sometimes I wonder if God, himself, knows all things, or has experienced all things, yet. I argue that the body of knowledge is endless, and that he, our God the Father - and I believe there are many such individuals with children spread across the universe, like us, gong through our same experience of eternal progression. We are not alone, but I do think we are all ultimately related. That means I believe God has brothers, and sisters, uncles, aunts, grandparents, and so on...all have become gods, leading and teaching their children...

RThe problem appears to be your shifting goalpost. First it's whether Jesus Christ [does anyone doubt he is "the Son of Mary," yet you continue toe refer to him as that rather than his name- but you seem to have dropped the added reference of "son of God] and whether or not he is in heaven. I've answered both questions of my perspective. Now the question is whether he ever came to an end. My answer is, no, because I do not see death as an end of existence, but merely a door through which all who have live on earth in the flesh will pass not perfected, uncorrupted flesh.

No, not a single one of the verses you have cited from Genesis to Ezekiel say that Jesus will be born of two human parents [you mean mortal, because God is human, too] and descended from his father's side. They say only that his parentage will be of the House of David [who was of the House of Judah]. Mary, was also of royal lineage from the House of David, so in her is the bloodline of David. Jesus Christ is the literal son of God, the Father. His conception and birth is miraculous in that regard, as the only person born on Earth that was not born of a mortal sireship. Joseph, was, as well, of the House of David and Judah, and also of royal blood, but he is not the sired father of Jesus Christ. Joseph and Mary were cousins. Why else would Joseph have been restrained by an angel to not putt his espoused Mary away by divorce, as he first intended to do. Only because he knew he was not the father of her unborn child [Matthew 1: 20, 21].

Their mistake. Jesus was the Messiah, and Orthodox Jews then and now, as a whole, do not recognize him. However, on an individual basis, there are some who have converted, and I am close to at least three families I know who number among converts.  All that you mention of a future Messiah, for whom Orthodox Jews, and others, await, is Jesus Christ, and they will, again on an individual basis, recognize him and worship him, and he will accomplish all that has been said of him to accomplish.  There will, then, still be those who oppose him still, including Satan and his minions.

Yes, Luke was likely a convert. But, Luke, while being a disciple, that term is not synonymous with "apostle, " of whom there were twelve, and all of those originally chosen were of the House of Judah, and from no other of the original 12 tribes of Israel [Jacob, renamed to that name], while it is true that those original twelve apostles [less Judas Iscariot, who was rejected, and died by his own hand,  and replaced by Mathias] will, among others, like perhaps Christ, himself, be "the judgment of all" when that time comes for all tribes of Isreal, and all others, as well, who have ever lived on Earth.

What that is Earth-based is not either corrupt, or corruptible?

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Uh, you just said, Jesus is the Messiah for the gentiles. Do you mean who is the Messiah for all = non-gentiles? That is not what you asked, however. But, to answer the question, Jesus said is came for all as Messiah. His atonement even covers Satan and his 1/3 of the host of heaven who were cast out of heaven before the creation of Earth and its residents. It is said that his atonement is infinite, meaning for all, and for all reasons, not just our sins, but our sorrows and disappointments, and even Satan and his minions. But they all, that third, as well as he, himself, will ultimately reject the atonement by their own decision and not coerced by God.

The context of Satan being known as  "the morning star, " however, is a reference only to his once glorified status in heaven before Earth's creation. But, once he fell, banished from heaven with one-third of the host of heaven who joined him in rebellion against God, he lost that status and will never regain it. He's done, living life eternally as a charcoal briquette.

What is the problem with sanctified, incorruptible, resurrected fleshy in heaven? Thus, the angel told the crowd observing Christ's ascension to heaven, that he would return and we should see him as he ascended; ion the flesh. Christ told his disciples that as he was, so is the Father. He is a body of flesh, s well.  When Christ returns, he will once again have "the fruit if the vine" with his disciples. A spirit drinks? I don't suppose so. 

"Think it not strange, if  heaven has a care,

To justice, good, forthright and fair,

If after our Lord brings us there,

'He serves us chocolate, all seasons of the year."

A Christmas greeting card verse I wrote about 20 years ago.

A tribute to his common sense of justice applied to eating, to allow us to be with him, and to celebrate  our being there, together. What better course might we consume. Dark chocolate - 80% range,  that is; the only variety that fully satisfies by flavor intensity.

Because I respond to you, your in my head? Fine. you're blocked.

Nothing unique about Venus. She was a kid in freckles and pig tales when Aphrodite was in her Greek glory, but she isn't Satan, either. He's not a tranny.

All that you say I am gagging for TRump, is heresy. I worship Jesus Christ, and him alone as worthy of my adcotration. TRump is just a guy who happens to be the p

resident, but he is not my moral advisor, and do not need him as such.

Not  flesh and blood, but, yes, a perfected physical body. Apparently, some other material than blood flows through the heart and vessels  that is more suited to keeping a resurrected body sustained for eternity.. I've seen it described as flesh and bone.

In this world, Satan, aka Lucifer, the immitator of light. Christ, being himself, of course.  Who else had so many opportunities to effect Christ's failure, but he could not.  Satan tried corrupting Christ to plant doubt that he even was Christ, and to make bread for himself [tempting his use of power for himself], tempting him to cast himself off a pinnacle [testing pride in himself], and to take all of the wealth of the world [tempting him with possession]. Those are thee three primary temptations: power, pride, possession, because that is all Satan can claim for himself, and as a result, he will end by having none of it. Trump will end with quite a lot, I'll wager, if I were a betting man. I'm not. I quit gmabling in Vegas when I was 22, having left the town at that age with $75 more in my pocket than I had on arrival, playing blackjack. I'm done.

Yes, your argument even includes God, curiously enough, as your argument includes that possibility. I'm sure there are infinite objects in the universe which do not contemplate  existence, nor any cause for it, yet, there they are, even brilliantly illuminated objects that rise on Earth's horizon, and set on an opposite horizon, and do so daily, without fail. "Rise on us all, it is Ra," as the Egyptians would say.

So bloody what? Y'all act like there's no other subject to discuss. Are y'all sure you own your own heads? God in heaven, I'd rather discuss navel lint.

Nonsense. Your diatribe, that is. Is Trump this possessive that no one can ignore him? Let's try. Remember when a collection of Republican primary candidates committed to ignoring Trump in their debates back and forth, which everyone noted Trump did not attend, but they could not even keep that easy commitment. I voted for the guy, but he does not own my head.

You ignore the several Bible verses that describe not one, but many anti-Christs. That makes sense; there are many, just members of this site, who oppose Christ. 

Not to mention that most of the verses you have taken from whatever Google gave you, and told you they were descriptive of anti-Christ, describe other beings having traits that the anti-Christs have, do have, and will have, but are not Donald Trump. He just occupies such a significant portion of your head, rent-free, I'm  surprised you don't use his name.

Having another subject to discuss would be refreshing.

Re; contraception, no, just the opposite; we encourage children, as many as can be afforded by circumstances of relative income, and the average number of children per family is larger than on the general populace, but not excessively. Where the average in. society is drifting below 2 [I think the last stat I was was 1.8, or something like that, whereas just a few years ago - maybe 10, the average was over 2], I susspdct we are 3.x.

Re: becoming like God, yes, that is exactly our doctrine, that we are on a path of eternal progression. Heaven is not a harp-playing exercise of relaxation, its is continued learning, continued doing. God is equally on the path, just much further ahead. And thus, we believe godhood is a generational reality in infinite regression of time, and infinite progression, everyone at the own pace. Thus we emphasize education, because we believe the body of available knowledge is endless, and the more we learn, the better we make it for ourselves  now, and forever. We believe we resurrect as perfected physical bodies, no longer corruptible , and not just spirits.

While vasectomy is relatively successful, and it is over 99%, much better than a condom,  I grant, but it is not at 100%. And, in particular, it is a lower rate immediately after the procedure;  It takes time for  sperm to be as completely eliminated from semen as it will ever be. I stand by my claim. And, as you probably know, but many women do not, and can still be rattled by the sudden discovery as you still ejeculate, that semen still flows.  So how do you really know how successful the procedure was? You don't. Oops. Abstinence, alone, when practiced, stands at 100%. Oh, so does death, but that's a drastic consequence that defeats the whole purpose of contraception by overdose. Face it, we were designed to procreate, not just to have jollies.

Well, Hell is...   no, I don't buy Dante's version of it. I don't think Hell is  is fire and brimstone of eternal flame and all the people are damned to an existence of charcoal. No, it is far worse. The Garden, for all its assumed delights of innocence and harmony and peaceful skies and rivers and lakes of fresh, clear water, and every animal lives in peace with the others is, in other words… heaven?
No, the Garden, Eden, is like standing outside the shop window on all the delights we want right now, but there is no door. We smudge the glass with our greasy hands, and our oily noses press to the glass, fogging it with foul breath, as we covet what is beyond the glass in the display, meant to be as tempting to us as was the seedless fruit of the Tree of Knowledge in Eden for Adam and Eve, but our pockets are empty of means of payment, and our minds are just as void of the knowledge, unless we seek it - and, no, there is no door - and that is just in the next block down the street, delights of the spirit are presented without forbidding glass, had for the value of a sincere heart and a hungry mind for excellence of knowledge gained for a better purpose than merely fulfilling our wants; and no need of a door. “Living bread,” it was called, long after Eden; bread for eternal principles of faith, hope and charity.
No. The Garden was innocent, but it was also void of progress. Nothing happened there other than Satan’s ruse; otherwise, it was stasis. It was meant to be lived once, only by two people, and maybe two of every kind such as Noah brought to the ark, and fruit of every kind to be savored for eternity, but then Adam and Eve blew it all to hell, maybe, but it was really just to our now jaded here-and-now Earth. Some may think this is hell, because Satan seems to rule here, as well, but not for long. And then… So, Hell to us is just a dark place where there is no advance of knowledge, and no door, so, no escape. No gargoyles, no foul-mouth dripping saliva, and no teeth, no dragons, no nothing but defeated souls for whom Satan has any responsibility. HNe does'r want it, doesn't need it, and is defeated, himself.

totally agree. It's one of those problems, like gun control, that has zero easy answers. Not in an alleged democratic republic.

Interested, yes. However, you must realize I bring to the the table the sum of 4 volumes of holy writ, the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine & Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. However, I would be willing to suspend availability of all but the Holy Bible - I would use the KJV [King James]. but it does not really matter, and I would actually prefer the debate not become a Bible-bash wherein we just throw scripture at one another over variable doctrine. I don't think God is pleased by that game.  I would prefer not using the term "Mormonism" but I realize most people do not know how to refer to us, otherwise, so I'll back off that, as well. Do you mean, then, such matters as: was Christ resurrected as a physical body or as a spirit [i.e., what is his form of existence today], which I know we have discussed back and forth, or, does God speak [reveal] to man, i.e., is their divine revelation today. But, again, that looks like a doctrinal debate. What is the primary point of a discussion on the topi?  It seems just saying is Protestant/Orthodoxy a better religion than Mormonism just doesn't seem to resolve well, because "better" has many nuances. Better for what? I' am not as game on dividing Christianity as I am on a subject like I debated with FishChaser earlier in this year, "One should believe in and practice the direct inverse of everything christians believe in and practice." I'm bothered by these suggestions. What would you propose, specifically as subject? I'll be thinking, too.

And, of course, there's still my problem of entry into the argument rounds. Moderators still haven't figured out ghat's going on.

While I agree artificial contraception is successful to a degree, it is not 100% successful. There is only one "contraceptive" that has a 100% success rate, and that is committed, and successful abstinence. That is an admirable, and possible goal to achieve for teens. Possible, but very difficult to achieve. I know it's possible because, as a teen, I succeeded in avoiding sex until my marriage night at 23.  

No, Jesus did not say that, and not even directly to her. He said he was not going to condemn her, i.e., exact the death penalty of stoning her. He had, legitimately, because he was going to do it for everyone soon enough, the power to forgive her. But repentance  was never meant to be a revolving door, which I observe often enough. people habitually commit and repeat the same sins, going to confession in between. But that is not what repentance is. True repentance is a change of heart, proven by not habitually repeating the sin. Christ told her, in his forgiveness on that occasion, "Go, and sin no more." Meaning, change your heart, Change your habit. Become whole and complete. That is what atonement does, and it is our responsibility to accept we do wrong, repent, fully, and change our heart to avoid that sin, and ultimately all sin.

I've mentioned in a string begun by Sir.Lancelot, I think. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

I've mentioned before that I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter-day Saints [used to be referred to as Mormons, but it was others opposed to us in the early 19th century who gave us that moniker, and we now eschew it as an acceptable moniker]. It was given to us because of our introduction of a new body of scripture, the Book of  Mormon, which we have in addition to, not as a replace for the Holy Bible, which we also refer as the Word of God. We also have the Doctrine & Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price; additional scripture. We believe God has not stopped speaking to man, and that there is much more to be revealed to us from God. We are accused of not being Christians, but we are, decidedly and firmly so. We are criticized because we believe we are not only expected to strive to be like Jesus Christ, but that also we are enabled to become like him, to become, eventually, in a distant time ahead of now, become gods and goddesses, ourselves, that wee are on a path of eternal progression, inhabirting perfect, resurrected bodies of flesh, bone, and spirit, just as now, but incorruptible, once resurrected.

Nope, it cane far earlier - by centuries -  than Luther's Reformation. By the time of Constantine [3rd century B.C.E., the schism between Rome and the Eastern Orthodoxy was already mature.  And while the Western Roman Empire was crumbling in Rome, and Constamtone wanted a cohesive translation of the various  and separate texts, and his translators, though certainly familiar with Greek, as many of them were Greek, themselves, their familiarity with Hebrew sufficient for more than dictionary-to-dictionary comparison-type translation was doubtful, yet, they tried. Meanwhile, the Roman Church already had its Latin Vulgate, but how familiar were its developers with either Greek or Hebrew? Dunno. And by the time King James was about ordering a new English Translation [The Brit Catholics already had their Latin Vulgate, and the Gutenberg, the Protestants had an English 36-book O.T. [the Latin Vulgate had 6 more] and the 27-book N.T., but it was not yet the KJV until 1611, and the Quaker's used the Geneva Bible, the Bishops' Bible and Tyndale's New Testament.  None of these among all Christians were identical translations, so they were as confused then as we are now.

I've avoided this string so far because, frankly, I think Cayce was just another quack, and the video IlDiavolo put up to start this string implies we have to wait for a second coming to see its results. I think the results of a second coming of Christ are best prepared for by acting as if it's already happened. And the whole discussion on how Jesus appears - physical or spirit, was answered at his resurrection. He reesurrected as a perfected [therefore, not corrupt] physical being, and proved it to all who saw him. What? - on  ascension, he drifted back to spirit, when we're told, elsewhere, "in the flesh we ahall see God." I don'r recall where that is found [I think Job], but it does not matter. I'm not here to prove anything at present, just to suggest. Sanctified, perfected flesh is how Jesus exists now, in heaven, with a previously sanctified, and perfected Heavenly Father before him. And the idea that we must reincarnate  [become flesh, again, multiple times to finally "get it"  - i.e., underhand what it's all about. to become a sanctified, perfect being] is, to me, nonsense. Christ told us to become as little children, because they already get it - it's so simple, we tend, as adults, to over-think it and make it complicated. One time around in mortal life is sufficient for "little children," just like a roller coaster and its ups and down and turned, and even corkscrews. Hey, animals seem to get once around, so it must be that we are guilty of over-thunking. [spelled on purpose]

Now, that said, I heard something today that may offend Catholics, but I mean no disrespect whatsoever, but it is funny as ever I've heard. One of the Cardinals who is thought to be a possible choice to be the next Pontiff is Cardinal Pizzaballa. Say that with an Italian accent. I roared with laughter, and I'm certain he probably thinks it's funny, too. His name is what it is. I wish him well, and he's instantly my favorite.

ok, back to the second coming, and how many times we allegedly go through this life, and... and...  he did it just once. Aren't we supposed to follow...? 

I do not respond to filth. You are selling filth. Stop it, petulant child.

You are blocked.

This is a vile subject, period. To suggest that anyone may be willing to allow any such abuse for anything borders on offensive posting, even when posed as supposition and not actual factual condition. God in heaven, what fifth. Stop it.

In the mid-to late teen centuries slave trace, mostly of blacks, but not exclusively, not even in America, involved Portugal, Spain, Netherlands, Britain, France, Brazil, Dutch Guiana, West Indies, Jamaica, and America.

Yes, they did, but from Europeans, who were, as well, slaveowners.  But, the Civil War was not entirely a war over slavery, but the Southern economy suddenly collapsing because it was entirely structured on slavery. That is no excuse; slavery should have never been instigated in the colonies, but that's water under the bridge. It was one of the flaws of the Constitution when ratified, that slavery was allowed to continue. The South nearly collapsed, anyway, in  spite of war. The other two issues were women's suffrage and a complete and inclusive voting policy. Voting is o subject that engrosses the amendments more than any others single subject. Fully eight amendments address the issue, and it still has holes.

If one is in agreement with karma, why run from it?. If they're ignorant of it, the consequence may still have no dire effect.

Mes ancêtres étaient français depuis le XIe siècle, près de Versailles, en ligne directe de mon père. Nous sommes alors partis en Écosse, puis en Amérique en 1625.

J'ai vécu en Provence pendant 3 ans, je parle la langue et j'aime le pays, je célèbre toujours le 14 juillet

Why? It was not Europeans selling black slaves from Africa. It was other Africans capturing different tribes to sell to the Europeans. Blacks selling blacks. That wasn't racism, either, that was bullying. Just like here in the States, black-on-black crime is highly prevalent. That's obviously not racism. Race does not exist, and nor should the discrimination.

Your response to Ra [my moniker for TheGreatSunGod] re: probability increasing was spot on, you need no further enlightenment there. My argument was that wee can also increase the probability of existence of God [or Gods]  increase by the number of natural senses we can use to gain further knowledge of all things. Science, today, depends on the five with which we're familiar. But other animals have, mostly in addition to those, senses like echo location, identification of magnetic north, of blood in vessels, and perhaps we might acquire reading of other minds. These skills can only increase our knowledge, and may serve to find evidence of God. I believe faith, as described by Paul in Hebrew's 11: 1 [really the entire chapter] is such a sense we can acquire and depend upon for further empirical understanding.

Faith, to me, is much more than mere belief. Faith demands action on it. Belief demands nothing of us. We can believe whatever, but we cannot have true faith in whatever. That in which we have faith must already be true, and we, only by extreme effort to engage faith, can learn of its truth.