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@Lemming
You'd be surprised. There is a thing where -its fraud - someone can sell or rent out your house with what appears to be legitamite papers. This crime is a huge issue.
But no worries on me. I talked to my wife about it. Lol. She is for it. Says she will never ride the bike again. She probably should not have bought it because its too big for her. Shes only 4'5. Im 5'9 and I have to tip toe it in neutral just to move it or keep it standing.
But no worries on me. I talked to my wife about it. Lol. She is for it. Says she will never ride the bike again. She probably should not have bought it because its too big for her. Shes only 4'5. Im 5'9 and I have to tip toe it in neutral just to move it or keep it standing.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Are you trying to type to make it seem like you are talking street slang?
Well regardless, rather hard to read.
Would the vatican invite muslims?
Well muslims have been a portion of migrants entering Italy and Europe within the past 10 years. The articles I have read (and given) that talk about this threads topic have identified migrants as a portion of individuals that are helped by
A) giving vaccines
B) giving food (luncheon).
So probably yes. Muslims could be included - but those who practice Islam may not want to go.
Prostitutes were listed as part of the same demographics that benefit from the charity outreach as well.
unaccompanied blind kids
I'll consider this a stab at the abuse - well not allogations as some were proven true.....events? Unfortunate events indeed.
Ergo not taken as a serious question.
Otherwise. Reading the articles associated with the presented event that includes "trans persons," indicate its an outreach effort for lessfortunate individuals. Not an invite trans women because they are trans women. Unrelated to the characterization given by the stab.
Is there something wrong in helping someone who is trans and living in poverty?
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As a birthday gift to my self. I am selling my wife's motorcycle. Should I tell her?
What would be appropriate measures in doing so?
Where do I promote the selling?
Sale signs seem to never work.
What would be appropriate measures in doing so?
Where do I promote the selling?
Sale signs seem to never work.
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@Stephen
Yeah, why isolate a few in a larger group setting when the focus is getting aid to the poor, right?
Previous link does not talk about a luncheon, though....
This may be the luncheon. Link below speaks of a luncheon where many people are invited becasue they are poor. Specificly recognizing a world day of recognition for the poor.
Here is an article about that given day
Previous link does not talk about a luncheon, though....
This may be the luncheon. Link below speaks of a luncheon where many people are invited becasue they are poor. Specificly recognizing a world day of recognition for the poor.
Here is an article about that given day
Seems like the vatican is catering to a larger group of individuals. Mix demograpghics.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Deute 22:5 .Man cant wear women ,women cant wear men.You then realize that the christians are taking the piss out of us.And one word comes to mind.That being.( Double standards. )
What is the double standard?
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What is the context here?
Ex:
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2021/07/02/pope-francis-transgender-vaccination-vatican-240974
Author for above article adds context to their story. Where a group of individuals, that recieve aid from a charity known as Caritas, were invited to to obtain vaccines.
The video looks edited with unrelated footage from different cameras. Maybe some from the news.
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I think there is some misrep from many sides to this.
In part there is some legitamacy in trying to minimize civilian casualties and seperate hamas from civilians.
This is hard because we really dont know what its like in that area. We dont know who supports who but there seems to be a generalized anti Israel from Gaza
I think there is more going on then just land grab though. Maybe that is what Israel is doing i dont personally know. But hamas is out to just kill.
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@Stephen
Im not listing topics from other threads here. That is the past and it already developed an opinion. There are questions here unanswered. Up to you what you do. Doesnt bother me any.
Why does it matter to have x number of times for love to be used in bible?
What is your point in adressing first person quotations for " I love you? "
Why are we referencing only the o.t. And not the bible in whole?
I have no passage to provide you. What is your point and final thought?
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Screw it. im not repeating my self any more. . Cheers
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@Stephen
Yes, well. You don't see much at all really, do you?
Well I asked for your explanation. Maybe your "let me defend myself," is just a ruse. I won't bother with it any more.
stop attempting to purposely misrepresent what I have wrote.
You keep missing parts from your own quote. That's not my fault.
Do you know who that was?
There is no reason to ask "do you know who that was?" And follow up with a single quote if in reality you mean there are more than one passage that uses the word love.
Your words indicate single not multiple. No reason to keep bickering about it.
So that is a no then
If we follow izzylife link and read passage they provided - the passage is in first person.
Does this indicate God is speaking?
Otherwise go ahead and comment on your next point. Let's just say I say no- I have no passage to provide you. What is your point and final thought?
Yes a lot of love going on there isn't there?
Can be. I am unable to articulate it at this time, but allowing Israel to be conquered does not dismiss love because it allows human interaction. Which involves free will.
I have asked you four times to support your accusations
Cool. I said before I refer to other threads as well as this one. You can address comments made on other threads if you wish. I am not adamant about it.
Otherwise you are half addressing issues raised on this thread.
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@John_C_87
I would really like to partake in dialogue with you but I am unable to read your posts efficiently. They seem like a mixture of run-on sentences meets lawyer talk meets barber talk. Im not used to it.
Edit: oh and Im not saying anything bad about - k?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I say abortion is immoral and killing another human.
Haley seems to take the same position based on what she has said (more than just the part on judging).
we would need to ask her for clarity if her message is confusing.
Otherwise I have already given links that describe how she can view abortion as deplorable and immoral whilst taking the position to not judge.
Here are at least two links that explains how and why to separating a person from an action.
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@ebuc
Thats because you dont seek the truth and facts via logical, common sense critical thinking even after presented to you clearly. Your choice
No. They dont share their sources. Common sense says if you want to provide information that people can rely on, then you provide the means to arrive to the same conclusion.
PBS pertains no sources in their writings. They probably want me to buy a dvd but those words carry no weight.
Now. For your bold words.
If the representative of rome says there is no crime when he knows the same message you put in bold. Then the claim itself is not a threat to rome nor intended as such because Jesus explains the kingdom is not of this world. Which means afterlife.
Rome does not control the afterlife and they allowed other religions to exist within their empire. That is why the issue was given back to the people. My previous post provided details on it.
Even the things that apostles (followers of Jesus) claim indicate a spiritual and therefore religious involvement . Not war or uprisings or political strife.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Yeah see this post proves the point. You disputed an insignificant part of the discussion just for the sake of dismissing the grander part.
A) we know what "a few" means. Although no stats have been presented, it is dishonest to claim "a few" because we would not have the programs that exists if it were only "a few."
Programs listed in above links.
Depression is not easily caught. Like cancer it can grow slow without our knowing until it hits us in a big way.
This is why alcohol and drug abuse is seen in women who have been able to verbalize their experience. They abuse to hide their emotions possibly unaware to its cause.
Again. If abortion is indeed the killing of another human and immoral - equivelant to murder - then no one should mind their own business.
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@Best.Korea
Agh. :/
Why not just say you didn't like the answer?
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@Best.Korea
Oh but it does answer. But maybe its not the answer you were looking for. Please share what you want. What do you want to see as a reply on this thread?
Ooo
.answer the question(s) yourself. Post in this thread. Then we will see what your expectations are.
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@Stephen
Well simply because Christians believe Jesus is also god. "the beginning and the end" the "alpha and Omega" the "first and the last".
Ah so you are saying Christians claim Jesus is God, therefore we should only look at half of the source for their claim?
I dont see your logic here.
I didn't write that . Why are you editing what I have actually written.
The only single time that the OT god speaks of, or uses the word " love " is in relation to someone loving someone else.Do you know who that was?
In the words of you:
Why are you editing what you have actually written?
You very clearly claim the word love is only used once in O..T.
Psalm 63:3 "Because your steadfast love is better than life",. << OK, Is this god telling David that he loves him, Or is it David saying god loves him ?
This is in response to you saying "love" is only in the o.t. once.
Again I quote you..
The only single time that the OT god speaks of, or uses the word " love " is in relation to someone loving someone else. #9I then asked you:Do you know who that was?You don't know so I will answer it for you.Genesis 22:2
Love is used more than once.
Do you have a biblical quote from the mouth of god himself?
I dont know. Some say Isiah. 43.
Although I am not looking for a message like that, I am open to it.
Why do we need a message like that; of God being quoted?
you would be correct in your scepticism and right to question me
Great moving along then.
And I would like to defend against your accusations.
I reference posts from several threads. If you wish to address the above comments for this thread, you are welcome to..
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@ebuc
For people who are too lazy to let their fingers do the walking to find truth
Riiiiiight.
So - the bible is still the main source for Jesus because it includes quotes and eye witness documentation.
Believe in it or not, I don't care. The point is the main source for any characterization is from the Bible.
2 Gospels were written by apostles.
2 were written by apostles' associates.
When we read the Bible we see this:
Jesus is tested with a trick question to show a favoritism for rome or the anti Rome rebel that many people thought the Messiah may be. However, Jesus' answer indicates following:
The trick question posed to Jesus was whether Jews "ought to" pay taxes to the Romans. The assumption is that Jesus will either give a simple "no," making Him a rebel against Rome, or a simple "yes," angering His Jewish followers.
Jesus responds in a manner to indicate He is not a rebel. He did not stand against Rome.
If we see:
Jesus was arrested on a charge of treason and was crucified.
We should remember that accounts for Jesus being arrested and leading up to the crucifix includes the following:
Pilate said, “Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law.”
“But we have no right to execute anyone,” they objected. 32 This took place to fulfill what Jesus had said about the kind of death he was going to die.
33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”
34 “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?”
35 “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?”
36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered there and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him....."
“But we have no right to execute anyone,” they objected. 32 This took place to fulfill what Jesus had said about the kind of death he was going to die.
33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”
34 “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?”
35 “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?”
36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered there and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him....."
The imagery is simple. the representative of rome indicates Jesus has not qualms with Rome and Rome has no qualms against Jesus.
Jesus was not a criminal or a rebel.
There was no act of treason. The kingdom Jesus claimed did not occupy the same world let alone the same land as Rome.
Seek logical common sense critical thinking and ye may find truth and facts.
To help with this, we should know what source information is from. PBS gives zero reference to their source.
So what is the basis for their information?
I dont know. Nothing?
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@Best.Korea
#18
Post 18 seems to have more words than that.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
If you did your research before you posted then you could have said many means 40 in this case. But you didn’t.
Which means me saying many does not imply 40.
The goal is not the quantity of pro life groups. The goal is for people to actually look into these things themselves because a list of 3000 websites doesn't stir thought and may never be clicked on.
The content and material provided by these sites (which will overlap) matters.
The materials that help women - and again - if anyone doesn't believe that, go read the testimonies. Those are real people. They sought help and found it. Good for them.
Their experience helps us understand what abortion is. The industry is a lie and abortion hurts
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@Stephen
I work things backwards sometimes. So ....
Christianity builds itself on the bible as a whole. Why are you focusing on only the o.t.?
the word love is never mentioned in o.t.?
What about Psalm ?
[God's] steadfast love is better than life>>
So what are you looking for?
What do you want - a quote from God declaring love?
Something like this?
"I love you."
""Family love" ; which has nothing at all to do with the OP's question...
Where do we learn about love? How do we know what love is? We learn it from or family first. The love from our family, like the love from a father, is used as analogies to describe God's love.
Although analogies have their limits, I find them helpful.
I have had to educate you
Can't educate someone who does not trust you.
Me:
I don't need to believe just anything you say either.
You:
agree. And you'd be a fool to.
Great. Since we agree. I see contradictions in what you say. I see false statments. I do not believe you. There you go.
you have not given any reason why you appear to believe your questions answer the OP's question.
I never asserted that my questions were going to aswer a question. I explained that I was trying to personalize the example so it can relate to the person.
I was not able to do so with the response b.k. gave. That's it.
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@Best.Korea
So you have no answer.
You only quoted and replied to my example.
Do you disregard my other words? If yes, then you disliked my answer. That's fine. Just say so.
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@ebuc
The net does have some fancy resources. Some bad ones too.
I prefer people to share the the ins and outs so they can explain why they believe it.
I did not think it too much to ask for.
For me, I can read into the theology and recordings where Jesus is said to have nothing to do with Rome. You give two contradictory personas but claim them to be as one. Seems - unbelievable.
I prefer people to share the the ins and outs so they can explain why they believe it.
I did not think it too much to ask for.
For me, I can read into the theology and recordings where Jesus is said to have nothing to do with Rome. You give two contradictory personas but claim them to be as one. Seems - unbelievable.
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@Best.Korea
Yeah Im sure that was too easy to complain about.
I am not able to articulate an asnwer that relates to your answer at this time.
I refer you to catholic answers. They have take call ins and can give more.
Otherwise yes there is hellp for those with depression.
I am not able to articulate an asnwer that relates to your answer at this time.
I refer you to catholic answers. They have take call ins and can give more.
Otherwise yes there is hellp for those with depression.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
So by many you meant 40, not hundreds.
No. I meant many. That is why I said it. There are more groups out there. You complained about there only being 5 examples - so I showed more.
The goal is not the quantity of pro life groups. The goal is for people to actually look into these things themselves because a list of 3000 websites doesn't stir thought and may never be clicked on.
The content and material provided by these sites (which will overlap) matters.
The materials that help women - and again - if anyone doesn't believe that, go read the testimonies. Those are real people. They sought help and found it. Good for them.
Their experience helps us understand what abortion is. The industry is a lie and abortion hurts.
That all I asked. Instead you replied “see dictionary”.
Yeah because its accurate. As said above. quantity is not the point.
If you are going to talk, know what you are talking about first. Now that you have done your research you have a better idea what “many” means in this instance.
Huh. Go back over the posts.
You asked me to list ALL. I said I can't but gave examples.
Your complaint about giving 5 examples was posted:
11.15.2023 07:33PM
My reply to your complaint was:
11.15.2023 10:32PM
That's the same day.
If I say this:
Going through above info surpassed several hours across days because I have very little down time.
Then the research was done well before both posts. Which means your sassy "Now that you have done your research" is n/a.
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@Best.Korea
Well, I dont have example of any love in life that outweights my suffering, so yes question answered.
Oh. A friend of mine says something similar. She struggles with depression. You should get help with that.
So, what does that mean?
in general - "God loves you"
Means God loves you. Love is used in the sense of Agape.
Much of christian theology stems from outside the English language. This is one of them. The word love is never used in the sense of "really like."
Ex: I love cereal..
How does God love me?
Im not sure what is meant by how.
The word love is not used with how in society. Or at least I never heard it.
For many we create things, like art or architecture or what ever, because we enjoy doing those things.
Parents love each other and from that love comes children.
God loves and therefore creates.
A father's love and relationship with his kids is often used as analogy/symbolism for God's love.
Ergo I asked about your family.
Some do not receive love from a father which makes talking about God's love as a Father harder.
There is something different to God's love than humans' because humans are known to develop an affection for someone/something based on what exists.
God's affection inherently gives attributes.
Comparison:
Humans "take" attribute to develop love
God gives attributes because He loves.
This is the best I may articulate it. I suggest doing research for one self.
Can you make an example of God's love towards me?
You exist.
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@ebuc
How do you come to the conclusion that someone stood against rome which in turn developed into Jesus?
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@Stephen
Ill just respond to origional post.
You really are shite at knowing never mind understand anything about the bible. Why do you keep pretending that you do?
I never said I knew everything..i look into these threads to challenge myself.
However I don't need to believe just anything you say either. In the last thread you provided x. I asked for evidence. Did not see that evidence given. So I called it out.
The OT God doesn't even mention "his love" once. The only single time that the OT god speaks of, or uses the word " love " is in relation to someone loving someone else.Do you know who that was?
Im just going to say no so you can get to your point.
In advance I'm calling this like "how many times the bible says santa clause or christian." The end result is misguided and doesn't impact theology much.
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@Best.Korea
Again, you asked for an example. Examples and analogies are helpful if you understand them.
Im trying to give something that relates to you.
But seems like you don't want diaologue. I dont know why you created a thread to ask a question you don't want answered.
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@Stephen
I saw you mention in another thread you are athiest. Still are ?
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Following links I provided earlier brings us to these resources (and more):
Oh. If anyone is really questioning this. The main article mentions and links to offsite information. Like abort73.com that provide their own information on the same topic.
So there is a way to navigate the article that only lists 5 groups to obtain articles and stories that highlight the groups/sites I listed, 1 to 14.
I dont think this part really matters but just a feeling that anyone could still complain about something.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I’m talking about what Haley said.If getting an abortion is so terrible, if it is akin to murder or slavery, then Haley should judge people for doing it.
damn that is ironic.
I refer to my previous post on this.
Otherwise, mind your own business and just say you would never get an abortion, but don’t try to force your beliefs on others.
that was the attitude of the slave owner. Hence the country being split to pro slavery and anti slavery states.
That is not your approach to slavery is it?
If abortion is as bad as or akin to slavery then no one should " mind their business."
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@IwantRooseveltagain
5 is not many.
Is that really your only qualm?
Do you accept "these women realized they 'made a horrible mistake' ?”
If not, again, I say read the testimonies.
you can happily search at least the US by zip code using this website:
Here is a site with zip codes through out the US:
This should help populate groups by location.
However. Lets read through my last post.
Following links I provided earlier brings us to these resources (and more):
- Support After Abortion Hotline: 844-289-4673
- International Helpline for Abortion Recovery: 866-482-5433
- SaveOne.org:
- SurrenderingtheSecret.org:
- AfterAbortion.org:
- AbortionRecovery.org
- https://h3helpline.org/help-after-abortion/
- https://www.yourabortionexperience.org/en
- https://www.afterabortion.org/
- https://www.charisetveritasllc.com/
- http://afterabortion.com
- American Victims of Abortion202-626-8800 x1
- www.surrenderingthesecret.com
- www.informedchoiceswomenscenter.org
silent no more awareness was also mentioned....
This link above shares at least 23 extra U.S. based groups. Not counting the international groups.
Counting all resources obtainable by my previous post, we come to over 40 groups that identify as pro life and perform after abortion counseling.
....
As I said before, listing requires more time than I can. Going through above info surpassed several hours across days because I have very little down time.
So I encourage all to actually look
And read.
What has been provided.
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@Best.Korea
You asked for an example. The example requires understanding you.
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@Best.Korea
Does your family love you?
What does it mean for anyone to love you?
How does family love you?
What does it mean for anyone to love you?
How does family love you?
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Sounds like you had an abortion
No. If previous post didnt make it obvious. My wife had a miscarriage after a car crash. The womens center that offered counsiling for miscarriages does post-abortion counseling as well. They welcome men to some services as well.
The woman who manages everyrhing had 2 abortions. There have been 3 specials guests talking to groups of upward to 20 different individuals. Each had abortions.
One was made infertile because of her 2 abortions.
Her story was heavy. Just flown in from another city after her boyfriend committed suicide. Most unfortunate. She is friends with the manager and is living with her to recouperate.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
A)))
So abortion is so terrible, but you would never judge someone for doing it.
Stop. This is your post.
If you say you won’t judge women (or pass laws to stop them) for getting an abortion then your pro-choice.
I am pointing out that a person who will not judge those who have had an abortion is not the same as a person who will not pass laws to stop abortion..
Also
Someone who is pro life is able to "not judge" an individual.
Here are at least two links that explains how and why to separating a person from an action.
To further the point. Here is an article about several anti abortion groups sending a letter to legislators to express concern and a clear message that no woman should be penalized or criminalized for having an abortion.
B) !)
Define many.
See dictionary.
List all of these anti abortion clinics and support groups you speak of.
I am not able to list every single group from around the world.
Here is an article with 5 groups
Testimonies included.
Here is individual site
Majority locations are grassroot & localized. Requires a person to look into it for themselves. Here are more well known avenues:
What proof do you have that these women realized they “made a horrible mistake”.
Above links provide insight. One delivers testimonies.
Otherwise, counselings are private and there is no recording for any reason. I participated in groups from rachelsvineyard.org. my wife went to one of their retreats (offered to those who have had miscarriages as well). There are retreats offered yearly.
A local womens center is involved.
I have heard women say they regretted their abortion and viewed it as a horrible mistake numerous times. However this is not a localized event or small number of individuals - websites may provide stats on their own services (some do). Pro life programs/outlets provide news articles on testimonies and events that can provide more info.
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@IlDiavolo
Majority of racism stems from the person who is doing the "hate." They are taught or try to put their own pieces together from ignorant sources. There really is no practical reason for it.
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@Intelligence_06
That sounds anti jew. A conspiracy is made to tell us they hate us? Yeh you are seperating them from us immediately. Thats racism.
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So we making abortion illegal too?
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What is the circumfence of red?
I always considered the rock question as something that does not apply to God because properties are different - where as God does not litterally lift objects despite us saying "lift." Like in the song that sings, " he lifts me up." The song is figurative.
So the answer to the question is n/a.
I always considered the rock question as something that does not apply to God because properties are different - where as God does not litterally lift objects despite us saying "lift." Like in the song that sings, " he lifts me up." The song is figurative.
So the answer to the question is n/a.
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There is another approach to the problem of evil.
Evil, An Argument for God
In fact, rather than disproving God’s existence, the reality of evil actually points to it, in an indirect way. If evil exists, then it follows that morality exists. If morality exists, then it follows that God exists.
Moral laws point to a moral law-giver. It’s only within a moral framework that the sufferings of this life can have any meaning. It may be a mystery why an all-good God allows suffering and evil to take place, but at least on this view there is meaning and purpose, and God can ultimately bring about justice and draw good out of the sufferings of this life.
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@Stephen
that is probably the best question that you will ever get to ask.
I already asked that question earlier.
Why are we not considering these forms to be literal embodiment of God?
still no satisfying response.
Why should we not accept the eyewitness accounts of the patriarchs
Why should we accept your interpretations?
1. Patriarchs include Moses. An eye witness to seeing & talking with God. T'was a burning bush. Why are we not accepting this eyewitness account?
2. some interpretation delivered by a 21st century Christian? There are several documents through out history that lay out consistent christian theology that is continued today. All aligned with what is in the bible. Including this thread's topic.
If anything why should we believe a random internet dude's interpretation?
Because its right there written in the book...
This circular reasoning.
But considering that Christians seem to want to deny the existence of other lords
The word lord is a title that, in the time of writting the english translations, was used to describe men of royalty or nobility. Such a usage to any man does not declare that man as god. Nor prooves their existence.
also ignoring the fact that Jesus was a Jew and had come only to the lost sheep of Israel ie JEWS, and the word Christian nor Christianity doesn't appear at all in any of the four gospels.
No need to have the word there.
The word christian was coined after Jesus' death, during roman persecution. Gospels depict Jesus's life and death. Makes sense that we would not see it.
There are parts in bible that depict Jesus and salvation to being for all mankind. Not just Jews.
This is really just more deflection and redirection.
But they do exactly that.
No they do not. Disbelief.
Because context indicates something else.
The god of the Hebrews Confessed that he was jealous of other gods. If there were no other gods what had he to be jealous of?Moses was told strictly not to make images of other gods or to worship any other god, if there are no other gods how could anyone make an image of other gods?
Sounds like you are talking about the ten commandments.
Where does it say God is jealous? (Rhetorical)
Baal is refered to in bible as well. This only points to who people in a region worship. That does not depict an actual existing being.
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This is getting too far away from o.p. topic. I will not reply anymore.
My main points have still gone unanswered. You present contradictions with unsupported premises to a false conclusion.
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@Stephen
Nothing to deflect from but the most important question is dismissed. Contradictions not answered.
You say angels are described as men. Yes some are. Some are not.
Abraham shares details. Moses shares details. Man or burning bush?
Which are we to believe?
Even the context about other gods is inaccurate. Im not suprised as you have a history in doing so. Just like other threads. But this is our thread to focus on.
The passages does not attest to other gods (beings) existing.
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@Stephen
Lol. Deflection to the worst.
I only reference Literature (and movie script) based on christian theology, that God can present Himself as He wishes.
I see no direct rebuttle to this or the link provided. Concede then?
Yes I put Abraham instead of Moses. Now that we established you are aware of the content you intentially left out. Why are we to believe you only for representations that say men instead of the other represenations?
Are you saying the patriarchs didn't know...
Im saying you do not know. That's ok. We can't know everything. Only unfortunate when we do know something and then lie about it.
For these patriachs, their description is of men but what they witness is not man. Otherwise they would not have used the word god.
3. Something I may add.
The word lord is a title that, in the time of writting the english translations, was used to describe men of royalty or nobility. Such a usage to any man does not declare that man as god.
We need to better understand context to the words used. A neutral "not knowing" is satifactory. Then we can research and learn.
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@Stephen
Im responding as simple as possible.
In both passages given we can see issues.
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The first about Jacob. We can look at bellow response to how Jacob and God may wrestle give possible explanations that would solve the question in this thread; is Jacob wrestling a man?
Likewise we should recognize a common depiction in christian literature. Our visions of God and personal revelations take on different forms. Even in fiction, our depiction of God as "man" is something not literal.
A great movie for this thread, THE SHACK depicts God as a woman. However, neither the character in the story, the story itself, or the authors declare God to be a literal woman.
Here is the movie trailer. The novel version is a swell read as main character is conflicted by the question of evil.
2. Context and consistency.
Point 1 can account for both passages. lets consider the points being made.
Stephen is using a literal interpretation that Abraham and Jacob use the word man to describe God.
Abraham also communes with God whilst God is a burning bush & cloud thunder and lightning (on top the mountain to make 10 commandments). Why are we not considering these forms to be literal embodiment of God?
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@IlDiavolo
Uh not sure what direction this is going but that passage is used to justify the Trinity. God the father, God the son, God the Holy Ghost. Three persons in one being.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Minors cant legally consent to contracts, including major medical procedures. This act falls in line with a social precedent.
Also misreping republican stand point on govt. intervention; to be limited not abscent.
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