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@TWS1405_2
Ok so you need a little rebranding. Not the worst of it.
Lets look at a fact. On your site you suggest crime rates decrease with abortion. I suggest linking to the "research" itself, because you make a concise claim but then link people to an article that restates everything you just said.
The research paper is :“Legalized abortion is estimated to have reduced violent crime by 47% and property crime by 33% over this period, and thus can explain most of the observed crime decline,” Donohue and Levitt write.
You should add the rebuttle to your sight and try to address it.
- Crime rates dropped first among older people. Statistician David Murray confirmed that young males between the ages of 17 and 25 commit the majority of crimes. If abortion reduces crime, the crime rates in the United States should have dropped first among young people. Instead, the number of crimes committed by older people dropped first. Nearly 60% of the decline in murder since 1990 involved killers aged 25 and older—who were born before Roe v. Wade.5
(This part is explained a bit more on the provided site. Explaining that main abortion users are 17-25 which means they should have bennefited first)
- Other nations with high abortion rates had a large increase in crime about 18 years after legalizing abortion, as Murray found. For example, in Great Britain, which legalized abortion in 1968, violent crimerose steeply from about 1985 to 2000―exactly when it should have been declining, according to the Donohue-Levitt thesis. However, in the past 20 years, the incidents of violent crime have begun declining. Additionally, Russia, which has the highest abortion rate on earth—then and now—experienced a tidal wave of every kind of violent crime following the breakup of the Soviet Union. This is a trend that has, since 2000, begun to decline.
(This is easy to debate against. Russia had to deal with decline of govt. However one may still beg the question, if abortion is so impactful why did we not see that impact)
- Teen murder rates were higher for teens born after the legalization of abortion. Statistics show that the murder rate in 1993 for 14- to 17-year-olds in the US (born in the years 1975-1979, which had very high abortion rates) was 3.6 times higher than that of kids who were the same age in 1984 (who were born in the pre-legalization years of 1966-1970). According to a Child Trends report, as of 2017, homicides declined in the 1990s, but then began to fluctuate over the next 20 years, though never getting as high as the 80’s rate. As of 2017, it was 8.7 per 100,000.
(Not sure how to address this one. Good luck)
- Murder rates skyrocketed among black people. Since black women have abortions at a much higher rate than white women, we should have expected the murder rate among black youth to have declined beginning in about 1991. Instead, it increased more than 500% from 1984 to 1993.6
(Maybe people switched from violent crime to just killing folks?)
- Crime rates rose when abortion rates were constant. If abortion reduces crime, the crime rate should have been relatively stable during the time period 1980 to 1991. Instead, the crime rate rose during the time period 1984 to 1991, after a decline from 1980 to 1984. Further, the crime rate over the past 20 years has continued to decline.
Statistics show correlation not causation. To suggest causation, the conclusion needs to be able to be seen more than once or be applied to the general median. Applied to a bell curve, this is 80% of a population. A conclusion needs to be replicated as well. So we can see it testest or in other examples..
However, considering that african americans are dispraportionately represented in overall crime. I find your expression on how abortion is good for crime reduction surprising. Sounds like margret sanger.
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@Stephen
Yes. In a world where death is a transition between this world and the next, sometimes we have to say bye to our loved ones to take that journey. A hard processes to grapple known as grief develops as we navigate life with God and our loved ones in heart.
2. What?!
So you are trying to tell me that your omni god cannot tell the difference between he that his faithful and devout, unless he prays?
ARe you asking if God can not tell the difference between "he" or himself that is faithful and devout unless God prays?
Your wording is wonky but maybe I'll just guess that you are asking if a christian prays for their own spiritual stegnth that you some how got confused or intentially act confused to suggest God might not know who these people are?????
3. I already explained that your perspective on the bible is incorrect. We are to pray for spiritual gain by seeking God's will not wish away life. There are many parts in bible that demonstrate this along with Jesus giving examples for prayer.
If a prayer recieves a response that is not what one asked for, it is still answered.
You also misrepresent what happened to Jesus.
A. Jesus is God, so God did not "refuse" Himself.
B. Jesus on cross did not ask to be relieved of anything. Im guessing you reference "my God my God, why have thou forsaken me"(paraphrasing). Which quotes a phrae from the Torah
C. Jesus preached to those in hades and opened gates of heaven for everyone (including you) and innocent children.
D. Parents are able to meet and be with children in heaven.
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@zedvictor4
What's the point of millions of people conspiring to deceive millions of other people?
What is the point?
1. Money (main supporters have money at stake). Look at roe vs. Wade. Who developed the lawsuit? People who made money from abortions. lawers got payed and a girl was coerced to lie about rape.
2. Personal justification.
Hard to admit when we are wrong at something or to do a thing that could be morally wrong to do. To put our self at ease we develop justifications to why we can do x.
Why were blacks lynched, raped, enslaved, etc.? Because they were viewed as subhuman/not human. Unequal. Not the same as.
Why was the native land stolen or killed? Greed set the way to justify the natives as subhuman/not human. Savages who are unequal.
Same for abortion. Humans in womb are dehumanized to express how they are unequal.
All examples of personal justification to put our minds at ease.
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@TWS1405_2
Here is your site's about page. You forgot to complete it.
Where are there facts?
Since abortion was legalized with Roe v Wade, crime reduced because there were fewer degenerates being born into the criminal world. That is just an established fact, beyond any reasonable doubt.
Ok so I grant you the presence of statistics & again a legal definition and quotation.
The site itself is still a person giving an unsupported opinion where the author assumes the conclusion.
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@TWS1405_2
Wow you purposely misquote my post and left out the part where I describe your links ? I think they compare to letters to the editor at a small town newspaper. I see no facts or anyway to investigate your imaginary "facts."
Did you make that website?
You did quote a definition from a law that was passed to prevent abortion clinics and others to kill infants from botched abortions.
I asked you before. Why was that law being passed and pushed for? I'd like to hear your opinion.
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@Double_R
Hmm. There is no problem in a fetus being identified as a human but people seem to have a problem in accepting a fetus is identified as a human. I have doubt in your opinion there.
Supercede rights? Oh I see what you did there. Hey please provide a biology text or medical journal where a pregnant woman is considered a host - and I might believe you in such usage.
2. Now. Can I kill you? Can I do things based on rights to intentially kill you? Rhetorical questions because we all know the answer is no. I am open to hearing you out otherwise, but there are no "rights" that supercede or take priority over life.
Clearly I am from the perspective that all humans pocess some "right to life" and bodily autonomy or privacy should not as they do not take priority over life.
Here is a follow up. What is your opinon of a pregnant woman who takes a pill to intentially disform a fetus within her womb? Is that a right of hers or is there some moral obligation/expectation for women to maintain a healthy fetus?
3. None of these qualities are why we value other people.
I agree. I would hold my unborn son to carry more value than other born people because he is my son. Especially if someone were to put him or my wife to harm. Please consider that some fathers have successfully contested insanity in courts of law for violent acts against those who had threatened said fathers children.
With that in mind. The purposes to value change. Value changes. Do you agree that this concept for value is subjective?
4. “An early stage fetus does not in any meaningful way qualify as a “human life”.”
- Post 193
If the issue, you claim, reside in something other than identity, then you are waisting time with a game of semantics.
Otherwise, if it is so important to you, you missed the commas that belonged before "in" and after "way." Your point is that a fetus does not qualify as a human life, not "in any meaningful way." Thats just air. An attempt at word play.
Please define and describe "human" in "human life?."
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@TWS1405_2
Lol.
Look in the mirror.
I already provided a dictionary definition earlier to another poster. I have no qualm in using marriam- webster or britannica websites that express human being to be defined as a member of the human species (or human).
. Ball still on your side of the court.
Now. Personhood. Not the same thing? I never said they were. I do not use personhood for moral guidence because it is subjective and carries no basis for testing. Anyone can come to a different conclusion and you or any pro abortionist cant argue against it just as you have no arguement for it. Just as any anti abortion advoacte has no arguement for it.
I've already provided more than definitions but actual fact-based accurate data regarding this debate.
Your links provide an opinion that is the same as yours from earlier. Neither link provides actual facts let alone works cited for substantial evidence for why anyone would believe it. I feel dooped and fooled just for providing you benefit of doubt. I bet I got a virus now.
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@ludofl3x
That kind of sounds like a lot of dissembling, but okay, thanks for answering.I'm not sure how the embryos are safe if the entire building is engulfed in flames, but apparently you know the hypothetical model number and fire rating of the freezers in this fertility clinic. For me the answer is baby because babies are people
I watched a documentary on ivf after learning that a youtuber/gamer "cyanide" was among the first ivf ever in their respected country- and then saw it again on pbs.
So all clinics and facilities that house sperm or embryos or ivf embryos are required to house them in freezers that are fire resistent, earthquake resistent, natural disaster resistant, and 100% connected to back up generators that are undergorund. The generators are underground not necessarily the freezers.
This makes sense because that is how they make money and they do not want to get sued. One clinic had a million if not billion dollar lawsuit for allowing some freezers to fail, causing loss. I dont remember what was in the freezers but they have customers with expectations.
Also did research paper on sperm donation. I have the unlucky or lucky habit of knowing random information or being x in some disscusions.
The last abortion thread i was on (1 year ago), someone blamed me for not knowing and never being able to know what its like to raise a child. I just so happen to be a parent. :/
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Conception is a nice and neat place to do so for the sake of argument, but there is nothing meaningful at this point to point to. It’s just a useful place to make your argument sound legitimate. You only see conception as the irrefutable beginning of life because you are already pro life.
No. I became prolife because the science behind "a new human life begins at conception" turned me in that direction.
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@ludofl3x
I would technically, as I normally do respond with, I am unable to save anyone.
However my effert would be for the toddler because that is all my expertise would allow.
Even if I try for embryos, like I said, they might die on the way out or already be dead, or are aleady safe and do not need to be saved. In terms of the whole building going up in flames the embryos have a better chance of survival where they are.
Even if someone says, "oh its just a hypothetical" any given answer expresses value. No answer can express value because:
A. The person giving question is applying their own answer to the question and how another may answer. They themselves will always assert their value in the answer but have not provided evidence for why there is objective value.
B. Any given person answering is giving their own opinion and therefore not giving an objective value because our opinions can contradict the objective truth.
Either way there is nothing objective about a person's response. Why? Because humans act outside an objective truth. Especially if my child is involved, I dont give a shit. Im taking care of my boy. But this is also because of my experience in lossing a child too. And every single human has some bias or experience that will influence their choice opposite to what is an objective truth.
For the doctor who has to choose which patient to see first, the bais is in his profession and knowledge. Firefighters have and will abandon a building on fire if it is unsafe for them to be in it. These conditions always apply to any given scenario where the objective truth is not expressed in human action.
Edit: you ever look at how people respond to high stressed moments like shootings or what ever threatens our life? There are three options, regardless of what is threatening us. Run, fight, or stuck (third one I always forget its name but its the dear in the headlights kind of stuck).
A person may answer that question as toddler but in real life run away to save no one. Or be completely unable to do anything and die with the rest of them.
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@ludofl3x
Hey thanks for asking..this is an easy question. I assume you are asking or suggesting that there is a building on fire and there are embryo(s) near by that can be saved or a trapped boy right?
Phsh. I use as we all should use reality ..
First we examine like scenarios that affect doctors and firefighters. See thesw types of decisions are made often because in any given scenario person a may be in more direct danger than person b or vise versa.
Neither firefighter, medic, police, or doctor base their decision on who is worth more or who has value. This choice is based on who needs the attention first based on conditions that apply in that scenario.
There are many examples that can be given and each one will express the same thing. As davidAZ did, put in any person in place of embryo or toddler or whom ever and the professionals who go in will all say the same thing. Saving a or b depends on the situation.
For me I have no problem answering toddler because of any possible given scenario or outcome, the toddler may actually be alive.
Seee here is the thing people dont consider when they ask the burning building question. Embryos need a specific environment to live/exist. They recide in giant freezers that are made to withstand fires. Oh jaw dropping! Yes that is right. The embryos are already safe! Or if anyone wants to say they are out in the open. Well guess what. They are already dead because they cant survive in that environment OR I have no way in knowing - as only the scientists would know - a.) Embryos are alive b.) The thing Im looking at is actually an embryo that could be alive.
Apply real life to what if questions and you get real answers.
No possible outcome or answer creates a scenario where there is more value in one human vs. another. The conditions to the answer relies on real life conditions including but not limited to, knowing whats going on, how dangerous the environment is, etc.
Oh. And there is a third option that anyone could answer with. If toddler and embryos are trapped in fire building - and I can see them being trapped. I am trapped too because each facility that houses embryos would not have it out in the open for anyone to get to. Silly to suggest I can save anyone if I am trapped too. But maybe this is a "im not playing that game" type of answer.
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@TWS1405_2
Starting your post complaining about laughter means you have no premise(s) for yor conclusion and no basis to actually argue a given point.
Please instead of just providing circular arguent, provide a definition for "human being."
Id take any dictionary at the moment.
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@Double_R
Lol. Oh the old "i can call sperm human too" shtick.
Well first, I did not make a claim in the sense I am argueing for something. I am stating what a pro life person does when using a specific word that describes a human. We recognize humanity within a person.
Although you can call sperm a human being, you would lack biological evidence to qualify them as an organism. Instead they are identifed as part of our sex organ.
We can also see how sperm have a short life span where they do not develop into an embryo fetus, or toddler if allowed to proceed a normal life span or even 2 years. Once a sperm enters an egg, it ceases to exist.
The fertilized egg, however, develops and has qualities to be a human organism. All we need is dna, chromosone count, and ability to develop as is average means to develop.
2. Fetus does not qualify as human life?
You have no evidence. You take your own conditions as an adult and apply it to a lesser developed human. Thats not science, moral, or pratical.
And no. I am not talking about potential.
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@TWS1405_2
Lol. No when I use " human being" or "a human being" I refer to any and all human Organisms that can be identified as being a part of the human species, including a zygote or embryo or fetus. I do not discriminate in that way.
Pregnacy describes a series of biological changes and/or a period (which references time) from conception to birth.
Your dehumanization provides enough evidence as to how much you care about reality ;)
3. Evidence? I am asking for a why amd evidence but get nothing. Thanks.
4. Uh no. The debate of abortion involves all aspects including who is making money from it, the history behind it, how procedures are done, how humans develope in the womb, etc.
The history is very dark and includes missinformation as advocates push to change scientific understandings. Like your attempt to insult despite the book providing clear cut information.
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@TheUnderdog
Can you rephrase?
Hm...
1. Yeh so. The older x is or the more x is repeated in science should indicate trust because there is consistency in experiments associated with x.
Do you agree or disagree with this statement?
i do not keep up with the times but. Do you believe or trust that the earth is center of the universe and round? What about gravity?
2. What about something from 2008?
[1] Keith L. Moore. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology [Philadelphia: Saunders], 2008, page 2.
Zygote/embryo are identified as a human being in this.
3. I also ask, what makes an embryo to not be a human?
4. We can see a change in opinion about what is or is not a human being after the push for abortion. Where the change in opinion is for supporting abortion. This should indicate falsification to justify abortion yes?
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@Stephen
1. In all of three cases (and many more) every single religious grieving parent was denied what they asked for in their payers.
I already said not all prayers are answered in the way a person wants it to. I, personally, dont see how anyone can manage their own emotions or develop maturity, or develop spiritually if every problem or situation is solved by a snap of the fingures. That is not the world we live in.
As a parent who has lost a child, I grieve with those parents. I will not assume nor promote an unhealthy living condition in which people think prayers deal with a gjinn because humans can get it wrong.
Thank brotherD for highlighting how humans might have error in their own (and his own) understanding of the Bible. Unfortunate to have to grieve in such a way.
2. Why would a devout Christian need to pray for faith? .
I said expression. To express faith one prays.
However, one praying for faith is not unheard of. The answer as to why is personal and carries no weight on what is or is not. Only that they might feel error or struggle in something. Which is ok.
3. You don't know your bible too well do you?
I never claimed to be perfect and am ok with not knowing everythig about the bible. My personal knowledge does not change what God is or is not.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Lol not only have you misquoted but you suggest no one should undertake your own words as to what is or is not in the bible.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
I simply put all pieces together like “Not my will, your will be done” (Mark 14:36).
Jesus gave examples for how to pray including prayers where we pray for something. All adhere to God's will first.
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@ludofl3x
Good question
The word prayer or pray is old english. Refers to communication which is why shakespear plays have people saying "pray" to each other despite them not actually praying to each other in todays context.
Prayer are means to comminicate which is important for any relationship.
Also, it applies the seek part to seek and you shall find. If we do not pray or attempt some communication with God, then we are not seeking.
Although God does not work like a gjinn, prayers can be aswered. Unfortunately we compare this to "answer it my way." Where a personal wish can be granted. Instead what is offered is spiritual gain and in some cases miracles. Where an action or desire is accomplished. However, I stress this is not always going to be what the person expects.
For ex: I have a cousin who wishes to rekindle his relationship with his father. There is barrier there and the cousin is scared. They are praying to God to know when is a good time to start rekindling the relationship. But God might be saying do not wait, go do it now and I will be with you- or the father may pass before the relationship heals on earth and there may be healing after the fact because a learned fact or realization that could not happen when father was alive. Therefore making rekindling of relationship in heaven.
Tradition stresses we should be open to the answer which sometimes can be no because it will help you more.
The word prayer or pray is old english. Refers to communication which is why shakespear plays have people saying "pray" to each other despite them not actually praying to each other in todays context.
Prayer are means to comminicate which is important for any relationship.
Also, it applies the seek part to seek and you shall find. If we do not pray or attempt some communication with God, then we are not seeking.
Although God does not work like a gjinn, prayers can be aswered. Unfortunately we compare this to "answer it my way." Where a personal wish can be granted. Instead what is offered is spiritual gain and in some cases miracles. Where an action or desire is accomplished. However, I stress this is not always going to be what the person expects.
For ex: I have a cousin who wishes to rekindle his relationship with his father. There is barrier there and the cousin is scared. They are praying to God to know when is a good time to start rekindling the relationship. But God might be saying do not wait, go do it now and I will be with you- or the father may pass before the relationship heals on earth and there may be healing after the fact because a learned fact or realization that could not happen when father was alive. Therefore making rekindling of relationship in heaven.
Tradition stresses we should be open to the answer which sometimes can be no because it will help you more.
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@Stephen
Hm...your comment on matthew is interesting, but God never said He would be like a Gjinn and grant wishes.
Looking at other parts of the Bible, Jesus',s teachings, & Jewish traditions - we should be able to examine that the passage you reference is about spiritual gain.
Although there are no explicit examples given within the same passage, there are many passages that give example as to what should not be included in prayer, like wealth, objects, people, etc.
The final passage we should consider occurs when the disciples ask how the fig tree withered so quickly. Jesus replies,Truly, I say to you, if you have faith and never doubt, you will not only do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, “Be taken up and cast into the sea,” it will be done. And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith (Matt. 21:21-21; cf. Mark 11:22-24, Luke 17:6).This is essentially the same point we saw with the failed exorcism: it doesn’t matter the size of what you’re asking for, because God has the power to do anything. And Jesus puts the matter positively, saying that “whatever you ask” will be received.But there is an unstated assumption that Jesus expects us to understand—that what we ask is in accordance with God’s will.First-century Jews knew that not every prayer request is something God wills, and God’s will is the controlling factor.
Appears prayer is more about expressing faith in God's will instead of wishing for our will.
The story of the biblical Jesus and his failed mission.
Uh. And you are refering to other people who claimed to be a messiah & launched rebellions or the expectation jewsish people had during/around the time of Jesus ?
Pretty sure there are parts where Jesus claimed he would not act as a war god. "give to ceaser what is ceasar's," or something like that.
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@TheUnderdog
Why would it not be reliable?
Should history or consistency provide input to the accuracy of a given claim?
I dont know if the word claim is best in that sentence. I had "information" but that sounded weird too
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248 days later. Oops
Good news, this isnt like a zombie movie
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There needs to be cohesion in providing truthful honest content about abstinence and the support there after.
Many people think abscinence is "just say no," but there is complexity to it. You have to understand your body and conciously recognize moments to stay away from, like a cliff.
For women, practices to understand menstral cycle and recognize when the body is doing what can help determine when a woman is more fertile vs less fertile. Combined with contraceptives this would be great.
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To ease the concerns for money. Schools can adopt new coin system like at an arcade. You can take the coins with you, but it can only be used for goods OR services at the school.
They can buy food at cafeteria, school supplies or other cool stuff at a store, get passes on homework (counterintuitive?), recieve bonuses on field trips, have early access to lunch, get better seats on busses, or what ever is catchy.
The coin system can be digital to help kids manage money and ease costs. If its purely an online thing with volunteer "bankers" they can call it bitcoin- I mean online educational coin accounting yielding. Or oekay for short.
Thoughts???
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@Stephen
when a man believing himself to be heir to the throne of Jerusalem and king of the Jews and allegedly a descendant of the same bloodline as those of the OT appears out of nowhere at about the age of 30 and causes serious in-fighting between all the other tribal descendants of the same bloodline and other sects and factions that leads to a full scale war with foreign occupiers that results in the total destruction of the very people and the very kingdom that he was allegedly promised he would rule over for ever end ever. But he lost.
What the heck are you refering to?
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@Stephen
If you are asking when does one seek, the answer is before, during, and after reading the bible. However no one is oblidged to seek if you are just reading for the sake of reading. Just that a thing (in this case God) is not normally found without looking for it.
Again this relies on your attitude.
Do you agree that if a person does not care about x, they will not develop a belief for it?
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Wow I admit I did not see that conclusion coming
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@TheUnderdog
Hmm.... Okay I have three sources that go into human being. May you rate their quality as you see it? If thats too much or what ever just say so. I can...handle ... It.
1.
This one is simple. Human being is a human.
2.
I use brittanica more than not.
This one is wordy.
3.
This was written by a biologist.
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@Double_R
Zygotes and embryos are not babies.
Pro life advocates love to pretend everything is black and white - that a fetus, even a severely underdeveloped one, is the same as a two year old. That's complete nonsense. This is a complex issue, if you are unwilling to recognize that fact and deal with it appropriately then there is no point in continuing.
By definition, and historical word usage, the word baby applies to any human prior to birth as well as those younger than 2 or toddler.
We hear it all the time. We are having a baby. Im having a baby boy. Im sorry but I can not get a heart reading for your baby. Etc.
However there are many who use this word metephorically for their 12 yr olds too.
All usages are correct.
This is because the word baby applies to humans (in general) unless otherwise stated. Like saying, " oh honey, do you see the baby horse?"
We do not say this because a fetus "a latin word for young child/young one - used for human children historically - is developmentally the same as a 2 yr old or a 12 yr old. Instead we recognize the humanity in all ages. At all developmental stages. you might say a 2 yr old without legs is not exact same as a 2 yr old with legs. A kid with autism is not exact same as a kid without. An adult with abilities vs. an adult w/o abilities. But that does not matter. They are all equal as humans for being human. We recognize their humanity.
The fact is that abortion stops nearly 1M human lives due too an inconvenience.
So does abstenance.
Focus on the sentence provided. "abortion stops." There is nothing to "stop" if a human life is not there to stop. Abstenance prevents conception from occuring, does not stop a human life.
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Consider any educational system/institution. public schooling, private schooling, or home schooling. Or make one up.
What would you add to that educational system/institute to change how students experence their day?
For me I would add goals to be taught in all programs and subjects
What would you add to that educational system/institute to change how students experence their day?
For me I would add goals to be taught in all programs and subjects
1. Intrapersonal skills - emotional intellegience
2. Interpersonal skills - self advocacy and communication
3. Social environment - this takes 1&2 and then uses it
4. Critical thinking skills
5. Age approprate understanding of the body (human biology and medical sciences)
Subjects would include
1. Arts (self expression)
2. Reading
3. Math
4. P.e. (to include self defense)
5. Age appropriate approach to philosophy, emotional intellegence, critical thinking and more.
Subjects may increase with grade/age to include electives like
6. Computer skills
7. Labor skills
8. Languages
9. Accounting & business basics
Personally I think the younger ages are supposed to run and play and explore more than just sit and watch. Many home schooling has days where class content is covered for only half a day and then the remainder is open. Mirroring this practice could be benefitial. Schools may provide more on site and off site hands on learning environments allowing students to persue interests and make decisions as to what thst may look like.
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Sense and making sense is subjective. You think different than me and we come to different conclusions on the same topic. That makes sense?
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@Stephen
So before even opening this book, we must believe in Jesus?
Seems like the intent is to say
"Seek and you shall find"
"Be disinterested and it will not matter."
Attitude is everything. If a person does not care about what they are doing, they will not benefit from it.
Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. Matthew7:7-8
Probably the most cruel lie ever to be written.
How is that a lie?
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@Best.Korea
Is there an order to which gospel to read first, and why?
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@TheUnderdog
If you’re Christian, you live by your interpretation of the Bible, and if that means going kosher because Jesus never denounced it, you do that. I think Christians should go kosher because their religion tells them too and no Bible verse undid kosher laws.
Although one can argue there are points in the bible where kosher is highlighted as no longer necessary, christianity itself is built on verbl traditon and other practices outside of the bible. Even the sects that say "bible alone" have some practice or ideology that is not in the bible. And that is ok.
In regards to your athiesm comment about rules. You seem to have just made a rule.
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There needs to be some clarity for what is a rule because some aspects are not treated as rule or law but ritualistic practice. Some parts indicate ideology which, if a person disagrees with majority of that religion's ideologies, a person may leave because there is conflict between person vs religion.
There is a difference between guidelines and rules as well. Some may argue that specific ideologies and what not to do does not qualify as rules but recognizing that actions have concequences and said actions include negative concequences on one's spiritual being
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@Deb-8-a-bull
What?
Well I guess saying what is vague but your breaks and count down post is too vague to know specifics of your message.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
What if homework becomes the testing part to the system. Then progress becomes the goal and means to measure.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Consider why they dont know algebra or to think outside the box.
My wife works for school district and one of the biggest issues is the teaching. Not necessarily because the teacher is at fault but because the practice is dull. Everyone gets taught to pass a test in a generalized setting where everyone is given the same work and treated the same.
Except some require more hands on approach while other students need more callenging course. Teaching to the test makes everyone remember x to the pressure of preventing failure but when that pressure is gone. The memory is gone.
But does that kid get help when they need it? No they go on to the next grade.
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@TheUnderdog
I probably could have combined ths together but ...
Now full disclosure, if a reliable source claims that a zygote is a human being, I will believe it and try to code it into chat GPT.
What is a reliable source?
...if everyone had blond hair and blue eyes, we wouldn’t be better off because of it.
Wait, isn't that supposed to be the other way around, or are you saying geneticsally the human race is better with diversity?
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@TheUnderdog
What qualifies to you as human being? .
What is the definition for human being?
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@TheUnderdog
Slowly but surely the science and societal/emotional experiences catch up.
If what you are saying is true, perhaps they are lieing, a part of this reason may deal with health reasons for woman instead of opinion on what a zygote is.
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Oh cool. Thanks. I joined that church's social circle to check out what they say about the same topic.
Ok so if we read a little bit more of the passage you provided we can see this. ::
Do not think that I have come to set aside the law and the prophets; I have not come to set them aside, but to bring them to perfection...
What is your take on it?
Oh and are you Christian? If you are, do you sacrafice animals?
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@RationalMadman
I doubt the brainwashing part, but some persons who speak against the trans delima after hating ther experience as a trans person(doin the whole 9 by surgery and chemical therapy), have been silenced. So unfortunate that someone who could improve the situation is shun.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
What is Jesus saying will be fullfilled?
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@TWS1405_2
Lol. Ignoratio elenchi?
Fallacy or not does not change the conclusion as true.
Whether you like it or not asking for explaination is your chance to speak your mind. If you refuse it, then you refuse it. Own that.
Your cited quote is from The Born Alive Infants Protection Act. Why was this bill pushed for?
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@TWS1405_2
No, you did NOT!! The stupidity in your consistent retorts demonstrate that.
How did I not give you a chance to explain yourself if I asked three times, "what is your intent?"
Wow! my first post went off exactly what you asked for. "read it yourself." But you still complained.
By meaning was plain and crystal clear. It b ended no further explaining. The fact that you kept asking for an explanation is proof in and of itself if your ignorance. Not to mention lack of reading comprehension skills.
See! You even admit that I asked for an explaination. thats letting you speak for yourself.
But I see no actual response to what your intent and message was. I must be correct that you think humans prior to birth are not humans and should not have protection within the law.
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What laws does or can the un enforce outside of un territory?
I say let the leaders fight like in ancient times. Well they had champions but I say leaders. Even the best presidential fighter will be beaten.
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@TWS1405_2
I did. Just giving you chance to speak for yourself.
But do not want to? That is fine. You provided a legal definition to imply that a fetus, for example, does not posses legal protection under the law because a fetus is not considered a person under the law. Therefore there is an impression that a fetus should not have protection under the law.
That is how I read your post. Therefore I responded because legal definitions can be incorrect as there are historical examples of them being incorrect. Legal definitions and the law itself can posses a moral wrong within them. Just like past laws that descriminate against minorities.
However, you dont need a law to explicitly say " x is excluded." For example, many lgbt+ advocates express the same message. Their rights are being violated because the written law does not explicitly include them.
So I say the law does not go far enough and (whether with intent or not) the legal definition excludes humans prior to birth.
Your cited quote is from The Born Alive Infants Protection Act. Why was this bill pushed for in 2002?
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