klemzy

i’m not saying you’re making any of this up. i get that you’re basing it on what people have actually reported. but even then, the way it’s framed still leans really hard on human ideas. emotional, cultural, and psychological pressure etc. can shape the way people experience things, and those stories can end up reflecting our own fears and beliefs more than anything else. when they start sounding like religious end times stuff, moral tests, or parent/child dynamics, it’s fair to question that.
saying "we decide if we get wiped out" doesn’t make it more scientific, it just shifts the blame while still keeping this idea of powerful beings judging us. that’s not evolution, it’s a moral system. same with the whole zoo theory thing, even if it’s meant to be detached, it’s still giving human meaning to alien actions. that’s projection, whether it’s hopeful or not. and yeah sure, it might feel satisfying to tie all this together, religion, history, ufos etc. but that feeling of everything clicking into place isn’t proof. that’s just our brains doing what they’re wired to do, look for patterns. if your belief comes from how it resonates emotionally, that’s fine. but that’s not the same as hard evidence. i am genuinely interested, but being curious doesn’t mean i have to accept it all without questioning it

i get that you’re trying to make sense of things by using familiar ideas, morality tests, creation myths, controlled evolution etc. but what you’re describing still sounds more like mythology. saying aliens are cold but emotional, like 'the japanese' (weird comparison), is still filtering them through a very human lens. you’re giving them traits we recognize, but that’s not proof of anything, it’s just projection?? and the whole idea that they created us so they get to decide what happens to us? that’s not science, that’s literally just cosmic authoritarianism. it feels like you’re swapping out god for aliens but keeping the same judgmental parent dynamic. even the bit about rescuing the worthy few, that’s straight out of apocalypse theology. it doesn’t suddenly become rational just because you replaced angels with spaceships.
same goes for the zoo theory, it still assumes they think like we do. that they’re hierarchical, emotionally invested, watching to see if we grow up enough to be worthy. but if they’re really that advanced, wouldn’t their values be almost alien? maybe even beyond what we can understand? because honestly, wiping out civilizations out of disappointment doesn’t sound evolved, it sounds kinda petty. in the end, it says more about how we see ourselves, guilty, self important, scared of being watched, than it does about any real extraterrestrial mindset honestly. this isn’t a scientific model, it’s just a new kind of myth we built when the old ones stopped hitting

i don’t really see myself as a good person by most standards. i’ve made choices that hurt people, sometimes out of selfishness, sometimes just from overthinking things until i lose perspective. but i’m working on it, not to be seen as better, just because i want to be honest with myself and grow from it. so no, i’m not claiming to be good.

sorry, i'm new here, still figuring out how everything works

i get why that idea is appealing, but it still paints these super smart aliens with really human emotions. like, expecting us to mature before they show up? needing us to recognize them as equals first? that’s not evolution, that’s just turning them into moral gatekeepers almost. it assumes they actually care about how we see them, which feels more like our own ego talking. and the part about christians being the problem? that's kind of narrow. worship shows up in every culture, not just one. if these beings are really that advanced, wouldn’t they address us as a species, not single out a religion??? and if they did show ancient people their tech or whatever, wouldn’t they have known that being worshipped was pretty much inevitable? the whole thing makes it sound like aliens are just disappointed parents waiting for us to grow up and stop drawing stick figures of them in caves. it’s not really science or faith, it’s more of us projecting our own hangups onto something we don’t understand

you’re picking out extreme examples to brush off what the data actually shows. saying 'other traumatized groups don’t act like this' just plays into stereotypes and skips over the full picture, things like poverty, racism, and systemic neglect make a big difference. and yeah, armenians, jews, cambodians have all been through real trauma, but not all trauma plays out the same way, especially when people are still living in tough conditions every day. it’s not about who's more 'emotionally strong', that’s not what this is about?? the original point wasn’t even about how people react emotionally. it was about how poverty is a strong predictor of crime, and that’s something backed by decades of research. whether someone throws a punch after being insulted doesn’t prove or disprove that. pulling clips off the internet to make a whole group look bad isn’t a serious argument. if you’re leaning on the outrage instead of the evidence, then you’re not really trying to understand anything

you say you do what’s right no matter how it looks, but not even being willing to ask yourself if you're a good person doesn’t make you principled, it just makes you look like you're avoiding the question. saying 'what i think doesn't matter' while writing a whole essay about how you're right is kind of funny. if you're really so sure of what you’re doing, why shy away from a basic question about your character? admitting you might be a good person isn’t arrogance, it’s just being honest with yourself. when you talk about 'rightness' without ever owning the kind of person you are, it ends up sounding like you're more focused on feeling above everyone than actually being accountable

that sounds more like mythology than a theory. if they’re really so advanced they created us and influenced our whole civilization, why would they even care if we see them as gods or equals? that feels super human. and the bit about 'especially the christians' is oddly specific, why would an intelligent alien race focus on how one religion sees them?