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@TheMorningsStar
i'm a liberal christian, and i think it's a fair point worth exploring "The question I have is how much of the Bible must one reject before what they believe is no longer Christianity?"
i try to reconcile near death experiences with christianity. in as far as that's possible, it describes my world view pretty well. with that said, i say God loves everyone, but that there are consequences to one's actions. this idea is compatible with NDEs and christianity as a general rule.
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@BrotherDThomas
i'm a special needs retard. what does it say about you that u r picking on a retard? i guess since u r the only TRUE christian here, it means that God has set his wrath upon me! the serial killer God is not opposed to torturing idiots like me. i suppose i should feel blessed, cause my agony in this life will only get me ready for the eternal torture and hellfire i am waiting for when i die.
spank me harder, brotherDThomas!
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@BrotherDThomas
i'm incompetent and evil... i'd ask for you to pray for me, but i'm beyond redemption.
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@BrotherDThomas
hopefully i'm not worse than ethang. that would deal me a death blow that i couldn't recover from.
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also, if ya'll's think the bible has two stances on this, then your position should be that the bible contradicted itself. not that the bible says Jesus isn't God. ive shown verses that say he is God, so the rest is up to you to make your positions to make sense.
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@BrotherDThomas
i'm the devil's minion. i can't help it, all the evil stuff i post.
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@FLRW
that's not a clear statement that Jesus is not God. if he's both the son of God, and God, then it's fitting for him to petition God sometimes.
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@Stephen
u can't show exact language that says he isn't God in the bible. all you can show is your interpretation of ambiguous verses. i can show exact language that says he is God in the bible. that means you are just finding problems that dont exist and twisting things around. your stance is at best debateable.... but it's the weakest position to take. i'm all about biblical critique as a liberal christian myself... but in this case, you should pick a different hill to die on.
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@Stephen
the bible has exact verses that say Jesus is God. it has ambiguous evidence that he might not be God. so how do you reconcile these? it must be the case that the bible says he is God, cause there is concrete language in that regard and the ambiguous language can only be used to support that.
i understand that you dont follow the bible as error free or whatever. but if you are holding out the standard of what the bible says, and giving it the benefit of the doubt that it's comprehensible, you can't then back out of that proposition just because you dont like the results. you can reject the bible because you dont like, but dont pretend it supports your position on this.
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@drlebronski
brain size correlates to intelligence and varies by race. this is just the easiest credible looking source i found. i'm sure there are better sources.
i'm not going to cite each of my other points. feel free to research my claims as starting points for your own research. it's not my obligation to educate you.
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@Stephen
you are just choosing to ignore the verses that say that Jesus is God. why use the bible as the standard for yourself but then ignore it when others use it?
Jesus was also a man. he may not have known everything in his human form.
he's human and a distinct from the father, so he can be both son of man, son of God, and God himself.
but again, this is simple a look at the evidence of the verses. u just choose to ignore the evidence.
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@drlebronski
black people have smaller brain sizes than whites. whites are smaller than asians. brain size correlates to intelligence. it's possible that some blacks are poor environment that causes their brain to be smaller, but that's highly unlikely for most given there's such a trend across races. unless... are you trying to say white people have smaller brains because they have a poor environment? which is a stupid idea. also, it doesn't related precisely to brain size but blacks who are brought up in wealthy households have lower IQs as well. the environmental effect is moot in this case.
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Jesus is God. (God and man, actually)
I admit I always hesitated to say he's God.. but I hesitated more to say he's not. most bible verses i saw were to arguable. then i saw some that weren't so arguable. and i'm one to give the bible the benefit of the doubt... so... I go with God...
Romans 9:5 - ...Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
Titus 2:13-15 - ...our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
Hebrews 1:8 - But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever"
2 Peter 1:1 - ...the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ"
at the beginning of the book of John... "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us". Jesus became flesh and dwelt amoung us.. Jesus is the word.
In John, Jesus at one point says "unless you believe that I AM he, you will surely perish in your sins". only God is ever referenced to as I AM, and Jesus and everyone else knew it.
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@bmdrocks21
how are women different than terrorists? you can negotiate with terrorists.
not a gay joke but i suppose it could be called chauvinistic.
i forgot but i also think trump was great on immigration. not perfect, but great. that one is pretty big.
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@bmdrocks21
i even have some radical conservative views but they're so radical i'm not sure i should even be mentioning them. no joke.
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@bmdrocks21
we should limit abortion a lot. we should get spending under control. congress spends like a drunken sailor and that's not a good thing. i'm not woke i'm more like anti woke. i make lots of gay jokes and black jokes and all that. universal housing and child care is getting too socialistic. i'm more of a liberal on gun control but i think there's a human right to have a gun. free trade is generally a good thing. less regulation is a good thing. smaller government is better when possible. and local is better oriented to many issues. i agreed with trump on limiting food stamps and disability in the ways he was trimming them, given he wasn't taking an ax to those programs. gay marriage is a state issue.
just some ideas off the top of my head.
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i think white people are open minded towards black people. it's just that there's a lotta baggage with black culture. so, they whites might be less likely to hire blacks or place them in housing, or whatever. i would call that discrimination. not racism. it's discrimination because the factor that is being used to make a decision is skin color, not the content of the person's character. but i dont think it's prejudicial in an unreasonable way. white people are only human and often fear blacks, and it's understandable that whites dont want to associate with much of black culture given there's so much toxicity included often times.
i think it's reasonable to say if there's discrimination there has to be racism as if they're one and the same. i just dont like to say there's so much racism given how open minded whites are. i can even understand if someone thought my distinction between discrimination and racism was a stupid distinction.
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@bmdrocks21
i'm a hard core moderate. not a lib. i do have a lib bias, but only cause reality has a lib bias. lolz. i get on my pedestal mostly about lib issues more often than not, but i have a lotta conservative views, even some strongly conservative views.
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@Greyparrot
u r making too many irrelevant points to reasonably keep track of. there are physical differences among the races, when the races are at their purest. that's the only point i'm making. some people show more purity in their DNA that those physical differences manifest themselves. sometimes those differences make them better or worse at some things. the fact that most people are mutts is irrelevant to the core message here.
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i cite someone on quora.
“Socialism” and “redistribution of wealth” have nothing to do with each other; in fact the latter as a policy regime precludes socialism and only exists in capitalist and pre-capitalist economies.
Socialism is defined as social ownership of the means of production, implying that everyone is a recipient and beneficiary of the net social product and any productivity gains generated by the means of producing wealth. Under such a social arrangement the initial distribution of income would be more equal ex ante as there would be no classes based on the division of property ownership, and thus no need for redistributing income ex post.
Redistribution of wealth - by that I assume you mean progressive taxation and tax-funded public assistance - exists in capitalist systems to ameliorate poverty and as a remedy for employers failing to provide living wages to lower-working class workers. The goal of these measures is to enable more people to engage in the capitalist system as consumers, to prevent revolt and give workers a sense of security (to safeguard the capitalist system from radical criticism and discontent), as well as out of a general ethical concern for helping the less fortunate. None of these reasons have anything to do with replacing the capitalist system or private property with a socialist system and collective property in the means of production. Indeed, all these reasons for income redistribution and progressive taxation would be entirely redundant in a socialist system.
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@Greyparrot
which is why the study is looking at those that trace their lineage to west africa. when we're comparing the history of three branches of human evolution, africa, europe, and asia, we should reasonably expect to find differences.
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@Greyparrot
he got me on a tangent that it's fair to say the races have physical differences, that's all. my overall point still stands, that given political correctness it's arguably fair to say blacks are superior. that point of mine is only made for the purposes of irony, which i assumed was implied to the reader.
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@Theweakeredge
the findings in my article were published in a journal. you just dont like the results. i have evidence, all you have is speculation that it's incomplete evidence. it showed in the sample (from a bunch of different countries) that was published in a journal that blacks had longer legs and shorter torsos, and that even when the blacks were dispersed around the globe, the fastest ones could usually trace their lineage to west africa. i have the point that olympic athletes push themselves to their maximum, yet it's overwhelmingly blacks who dominate in running. which would reasonably lead one to believe there's physical differences if everyone is pushing themselves to their maximum. i could cite other evidence such as showing that blacks have more lean muscle mass and other evidence, but it's not needed to make the point.
again, i have good, credible evidence. all you have is speculation and skepticism. it's fair to make conclusions about the world without every conclusions being in a comprehensive peer reviewed study. it's called common sense. of which you apparently have very little.
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@Intelligence_06
"Even if Black people really are good at running, they probably aren't better at other things. You wouldn't call an athlete "greater" than, say, a programmer."
it's not politically correct to say blacks are ever inferior at certain things, thus, by the laws of political correctness, they are genetically superior given it's permissible to say they are superior at certain things.
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@Theweakeredge
"Except... it's not a study, its an article... by people who are theorizing things - furthermore - it even acknolwedges that it might just be a "cultural thing".... you have no idea what you're talking about... again. What happened to the actual research?"
it might not be peer reviewed science articles, but the article i posted is a credible source.
where does the article say it might be a cultural thing? even if it might be more cultural, there are objective differences between the races that give advantage or disadvantage in athletics. it pretty much has to be partially physical racial characteristics makes a difference, too. but you lack the critical thinking skills needed to acknowledge the truth, as usual.
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they are superior due to the laws of political correctness. you can't say that their smaller brains and lower IQ and test scores makes them less intelligent. but you can say that they have superior athletic ability. thus, they are equally smart, but physically advantaged... making them genetically superior.
here's some science that points to them being able to run better, and such.
then again, maybe it might be permissible politically to say asians with their bigger brains and better test scores, are smarter. just as long as we're not contrasting blacks with whites in a negative way, then maybe there's more leeway than i might expect.
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@MarkWebberFan
the experience is good evidence of the afterlife. i might be inductive reasoning but it's still good evidence. the fact that atheists just write it off and pretend there's no evidence for God or the afterlife, is because they lack good judgment and critical thinking skills. it's plausible to be agnostic on the issues, but to reject it all outright as atheists do, is irrational given the evidence.
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@MarkWebberFan
"Otherwise, the large majority of atheists' would've converted."
the majority of atheists do convert and believe in God after the experience. it's for sure a majority, but i'm not sure if it's a large majority based on various stats i've heard. just read the experiences and 'questions and answers' at nderf.org and you will get the impression that the large majority end up believing in God. almost all of them, in any case, end up believing in the afterlife.
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this thread is a great example, of why atheists are irrational
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@Ramshutu
why are folks experiencing specifically afterlife stories when they die? atheists have no answer to that. they also can't explain why it happens at all? why it's\ more real than dreams or waking life? why do those who experience an NDE almost always believe in the aferlife when it happens? dreams dont change anything about what i think about reality, much like watching a TV show doesn't change anything.
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@Lemming
i agree that impeaching trump for an insurrection, was ridiculous. he did cause it, but it went beyond what what he expressly pushed for.
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@Lemming
u agree it was a riot, but why do you not like the word insurrection? it was pretty half assed, maybe that's why?
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@bmdrocks21
not sure why u r thinkin the non-gun homicide rate is based on a one year measurement. i cited both the graph and the Atlantic, and i think that kinda source would have argued a trend, not something that could change as easily as a one year measurement.
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@ILikePie5
how does the first amendment apply to big tech? the amendment refers to congress and that's how it's always been treated.
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@bmdrocks21
well u made me realize that there should be free speech rights on social media given it's a monopoly. but, social media is by far free speech oriented. given trump's speech is often not constructive, i dont see the need to bend over backwards for him. maybe if there was a more urgent need we could get big tech free speech rights. maybe i'm not virtuous enough to be worried specifically about trump's speech rights.
but yeah, the lawsuit is still meritless, cause there are currently no laws that give trump those rights. i think u recognize that too.
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@ILikePie5
what law requires trump to have free speech on social media?
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@ILikePie5
not sure why you're injecting race into this.
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@oromagi
which means we need to have an exact number for how many folks need shelter and dont get it, while not being mentally ill and drug addicted. that's the only way we can settle our differing positions. if it's more on the inconsequential side i would join your position.
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@bmdrocks21
white america might be safer than usual. my knowledge is it's still worse than other developed countries, but even if it isn't there's still the scientific consensus that guns cause problems when people have them. plus you didn't have a good reply to why non-gun murders aren't wildly out of whack, as should be the case to some degree, if this is just a bad person problem and not a gun problem.
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we spend enough money on housing that every person who isn't completely crazy or drug addicted should have a place to go. my guess is most homeless people have those problems, but i'd think there's plenty who should have a place to go to. we can't give everyone an apartment and such. it's too wasteful and expensive. if we geared money towards homeless shelters, we'd have fewer homeless people, which should be our goal.
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@bmdrocks21
you denied the consensus of science and other non-debate able science, in the gun debate. very basic stuff. very stereotypical conservative stuff for you to do.
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@bmdrocks21
i dont debate you much for you to have me so encapsulated. you must be referring to the gun debates that you lost.
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@Dr.Franklin
u r all things trump ian. so why do you support him? (i could be wrong that you support him here, but you are such the brainwashed type that i'd be surprised if you were to deviate)
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@Greyparrot
u r all things trump ian. so why do you support him? (i could be wrong that you support him here, but you are such the ditto head that i'd be surprised if you were to deviate)
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private companies can limit speech. only the government is prevented from limiting speech. this is so settled as law, that i doubt the supreme court would even take the case. i saw that thomas had a dissent in a case that would support trump, but i assume the other conservatives are traditional enough not to join him.
colleges have governmental regulation as a condition of taking federal funds. big tech doesn't get government money to my knowledge. i doubt they'd need or want all that.
trump's case might be good politics, in that he seems like he's taking on bullies, and it's good for fund raising... but that's all it is, pure politics.
which of you ditto head dim wits agrees with trump on this, and why?
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it's funny to think about, that talking is in a way just elaborate grunting.
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@TheUnderdog
instead of a conservative atheist, you should be a liberal theist. and the song in the link is pointing out that you got it all wrong.
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here is the doctor's washington post article about exorcism
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an atheist who is usually conservative?
this song was written for u...
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