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@Sidewalker
Why are you so focused on hating Trump?
It's not healthy. This thread is about a t.v. show and you are derailing it with random attacks on Trump and Republicans.
It's far more helpful to focus on what you can do to improve society yourself. If you think that Trump did some things that threatened the institution of government. You have 2 options you can debate it and only people who agree with your hate of Trump will see your position. Or you can talk about the various weaknesses of the system and maybe build bridges with even Trump supporters to strengthen those institutions so it makes future attempts to undermine them fail.
Which do you think is more productive? Bri ginger ideological opponents on board to strengthen institutions responsible for freedom and democracy or just getting people who agree with you to praise your words and those who disagree with you to become upset by them?
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@Best.Korea
That you will build self esteem of a child by convincing it that it shouldnt be what it wants to be.
That's incorrect. I was saying to build self esteem by telling them they are good enough as they are. Most trannies are not driven as much by a desire to be the opposite sex as much as they are by not being the one they currently are.
And yet his followers in his name talked against homosexuals?
Most just speak against homosexuality, if they speak about it at all, and it's not the main message. I wouldn't personally bringing up with a homosexuality. If they ask me if gay sex is a sin, I will say yes, but if they don't bring it up, I won't because it's something between them and God.
Find 20 Christian people and come out to them as gay. You probably know 20 in your life. My assumption is that 19 will give you a hug and support you coming out, even if they think you shouldn't engage in homosexual behavior.
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@Best.Korea
So you assume that you will build self esteem of a child if you bother it until it gives way to your will?
No, that is a strawman.
I almost got banned because I followed Jesus's command of hating gays.
Jesus commands his followers to love homosexuals. You know better
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@Best.Korea
I already stated proof that it turns children into criminals on average.
Theb why did you directly state that spanking curbing negative behavior was an assumption?
Are you even keeping track of your premises and conclusions?
Are you keeping track of mine?
I dont see why you feel such an overwhelming urge to rationalize hitting child's butt as a rational human behavior and deny all studies and all alternative methods
We are just examining your arguments not anybody beliefs here. You created a burden where you have to either prove that all forms of spanking are inferior to all forms of non spanking or you have to acknowledge that you poorly formulated your argument.
Appeals to emotion aren't going to work here because it goes both ways. A oarent who lightly smacks their child's bottom and inflicts a tiny amount of pain can easily argue that the emotional torture of a timeout is worse for a child, or since you haven't actually chosen a position to defend but merely attack spanking they could maybe argue that corporal punishment is superior to never teaching your kids their are consequences for their actions.
Of course you can argue that there are better alternatives to spanking but it would be on you to prove the alternatives are better as you accepted the burden of proof and that the alternative is better than all forms of spanking.
Clearly you would agree that not all forms of time out are the same? You would recognize forcing your kid to stare at a wall for 10 minutes is not the same as having them stare at it without sleep or food or water for 48 hours. You need to prove your position or moreclearly state it .
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@Best.Korea
Thats your assumption, which is unsupported by any evidence.
I guess I am done talking to you since you are at the point where you think it is an assumption that negative reinforcement works to curb behavior.
You are just looking to contradict me for the sake of contradicting me, because if you didn't believe spanking effected behavior in any way than you would literally destroy the o ly premise you presented for banning spanking.
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@zedvictor4
That sounds like a very interesting ideal for a show
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@Best.Korea
I dont see why would you do that.
We are talking about a child. If you don't see why I am saying we should build up the self esteem of a child than you need Jesus.
You can call religion a crutch if you want to, but clearly you struggle with ethics if you would Stan idly by why your child has low self esteem
GP already provided a rebuttal for th rest
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@oromagi
Can you move this thread to the religious section and also alp topics about wokeness.
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@Best.Korea
5 year olds only transition in a sense of wearing specific clothes and make up, and being called the way they want to be called.
Yeah just create a path for them to take puberty blockers at 12 and cut their dick off at 16, instead of gently persuading them elsewhere and rebuilding their self esteem so they don't think they need to become somebody else.
Its not really a big deal nor a significant argument against democratic party.
Th moral decay of society is a great argument against Democrats and as you can see a very effective one at persuading people who would have otherwise voted democrat to vote Republican.
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@Mall
You telling me to ask someone else it must be because you believe that someone has more intelligence than you.
No, I am saying that because I fucked your mother while she was still with your father.
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@zedvictor4
I am just telling g you how intelligence squared debates are scored and that I think it's a good way to judge debates.
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@zedvictor4
I told you what the game is called in Russia. I didn't mention what Russia's economic model was, but am glad to know you think it is the same economic model as America.
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@Best.Korea
You are defining spanking as abuse in and if itself to give yourself an easier argument. You'll need to fix that before there is anything worth responding to in that regard.
I would say that defending the point that "causing pain to child's butt is freedom" would indeed be a complete nonsense
That's a bad argument. I could easily say you shouldn't for a kid to get vaccinated because it causes pain to stick a needle in their arm.
You have to do a cost benefit analysis.
Does causing a negative association with behavior that if continued into adulthood will create a very rough life for a child cause more pain than them becoming the type of person to have that terrible life?
Associating immediate pain with harmful decisions Is a more effective tool than getting timeout when the kid gets home from the store and has already forgotten what he did wrong.
There is obviously a type of bell curve. For example if a kid is reaching for a pan of boiling water on a stove that can permanently disgigure him than yelling timeout because you don't believe in hitting them, will likely not save them from pulling the boiling water on their head. A quick smack will have them associate pain with the behavior and immediately stop it, keeping them safer in the future and then there is spanking them enough to make their ass welt, which would accomplish would a quick behind smack would do but leave the child fearing you, sowing distrust and having harmful psychological impacts.
The problem with a lot of these spanking studies is that it conflate different types of spankings. Most parents who spank are probably only doing it from like the window of about 4 and 7 years old before moving to time outs because now the child is in the age of reason. You are co floating parents who do it correctly with those who don't.
The same issue would be unfair if I looked at the impact of neglectful parents who never punish their child for any reason and conflated them with non spanjers, especially if the sample study I used was mostly neglectful parents, as is the biased sample studies of spanners.
You are just not going to have enough to fulfill your burden of proof. The data doesn't exist to do so and you'll have to adjust your argument.
You probably have enough to defeat a poor debater, but your argument is going g to be better if you just concedes that properly spanked kids probably have equal or superior outcomes to other forms of punishment but since so few parents can manage to do it correctly that iT benefits society more to just ban it outright.
In debate you can gain a lot by co ceding some points. In fact if you find yourself in a debate where you concede zero points, it is a good indicator you are losing and should reconsider your approach.
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@Best.Korea
I think that's a lot like showing studies on parents who use a pillow to another their kid to death mixed with parents who have pillows in their home for their kid and compare that study to one where parents have no pillows in the house and then saying.
"Hey look pillow having parents are more likely to have kids who are smothered to death"
I dont think it's a fair comparison. You could respond that parents who don't have pillows in the house may also smother their children with other objects or engage in other forms of abuse, but the comparison won't be fair. What you want to do is have non abusive spanking vs non abusive timeouts and compare them.
You do make a good point, if I am representing your intention correctly. I think you state that allowing spanking would also empower not just non abusive parents but parents who would take the practice too far, either using it when inappropriate or by using it too roughly.
I would cou ter that in most cases of abusive parenting, these are parents who don't obey the law anyway. It still leaves out abusive parents who are unintentionally abusive and believe they are merely disciplining.
In that case I would say that the cost to freedom in how you discipline your child needs to be weighed against the excess children abused and I would argue that freedom is more important than the slight impact you would have preventing abuse.
I think most debate judges would also value freedom over an extremely slight reduction in child abuse.
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@Sidewalker
No it's called traitors. This is a thread about a TV show. If you want I can start a thread about January 6. There are several documentaries on it already but I am referring to a non political show. A show that is not news related in any way
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@Sidewalker
Wrong traitors. I am referring to the show that streams on paramount.
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@zedvictor4
Prior to the debate you are asked if you are pro con or neutral and so if it is
75% pro Islam
10 % neutral
75% pro Islam
10 % neutral
15% con Islam
And at the end of the debate it is
70% pro Islam
5% neutral
25% con Islam
Tha. Despite most of the people there playing pro Islam, the pro Islam side loses because it persuaded less people
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@zedvictor4
Yes but we call it "kill the capitalist pig" we have to find the capitalist pig masquerading as a loyal comrades.
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Is someone who lives all alone since his mother died and has never been with a woman a weirdo?
I wouldn't think so. They are probably pretty awesome given how much rent has increased since 2020, they are also likely wealthy and a potential marriage partner for me
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Did he actually claim.voter fraud or did he just make vague statements that the election was stolen which could be interpreted a million different ways
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Traitors is a reality TV show that has versions in the United states, great Britain and Australia. This thread I for discussion of that show and thoughts on it.
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How many of you guys play among us and what do you think of the game?
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First of all, you’re Russian. You don’t get to vote in the US.
That's what the democratic party wants you to believe.
Secondly, your comment about transitioning 5 year olds shows how dumb you are.
You don't have to insult me just because we disagree on whether kids should be transitioned
And I seriously doubt you understand the movement to defund the police
What does the prefix "de" mean?
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Right, conservatives have moved on from Bush and Cheney to full on wack jobs.
Whose fault is that? I voted for Obama twice but there is no way I could vote for current democrats who want to transition 5 year olds and eliminate police funding
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@Vader
So advertise the game as forum based "among us" and then "forum game based on the show traitors" and you are likely to get some new users interested in playing
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I don't describe myself as a conservative. I'm a liberal (natural meaning, not subverted).
I can be considered a liberal also but just give the people who want the title the title. The social justice warriors and technocrats want to be called liberal, so let them have it.
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@Mall
Are we naturally monogamous?
No
Why or why not?
Ask your mom
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Republicans are morons.
They are only morons if they lose.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The saying that the left can't meme is generally true. Their .eyes are more often than not Taking a meme that the right created and swapping out the word biden for trump or other such nonsense. Or the more aggressive left will start mocking republicans for being a bunch of homos. It's silly and don't understand it. The left is ge really more creative than the right wing portion of America. The o ly thing I can think of is that meme lend themselves more to honesty. Honesty is straight to the point and their isn't much room for the type of creativity needed to muddy the issue. It likely also has to do with h fact that for something to be funny it has to be based on the truth. There is a reason why people sucking the teat of the establishment like John Stewart and Amy Schumer get less laughs than those who don't. Not all of the funny comedians are right wing, but they are all anti establishment, and this is because comedy was created by the jester who was able to tell the king uncomfortable truths where his closest advisors could not.
The reason the left can't do that, at least not the ones who are establishment hacks, is because no jester can make the king laugh by being a yes man.
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I second oromagi. I listen to a lot of intelligence squared. They have the best system for determining a winner also. The criteria is how many people who you swayed to your position, which is probably the best measure to determine a winner.
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@Best.Korea
You would have to compare studies on properly spanked kids vs non spanked and usually studies will mix abusive parents with the spanners and skew the results. The burden of proof is shared in the debate but voters aren't very smart and are usually biased against the spanking position. Given actual studies that show harm in apanking and zero studies showing benefits (due to obvious constraints ts on measuring this), it puts an unfair burden on the debater, debating in favor of spanking children.
I will say that YYW now known as coal did a debate on corporal punishment against one of the best if not the best debater on the site and absolutely wiped the floor taking a pro spanking position. You should try to defeat his arguments and then reconsider your position if you can't, because despite the disadvantage the position gave him, he won. This means that he is most likely correct Given the following
1. He defeated a top debater
2. His position gave him an immediate disadvantage in the debate
3. He still came out on top
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I also have written on objective morality before, I lost my riting unless somebody knows where I can find some archives of debates on debate.org, but I need to recreate what I have written previously for my zettelkasten so I might be open to that, since it wouldn't take much work to recreate
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@Bones
Would you be willing to do a live debate of the abortion argument. I would like to argue a devils advocate position.
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@Sidewalker
we could send out some drag queens and a few transvestites and they would run away screaming in terror.
So an antifa rally?
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Your citation is one person. Bop is to provide evidence most of his voters agree and bop is also on you to prove Hillary actual commission of crime is equivalent to trump being persecuted because the establishment is scared of him
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@Deb-8-a-bull
A Muslim,Talking about the positives from Mein kampf .All Whilst sporting a star of david.I Love that shit.
If this is what you got from my posts critical of the Quran, than please sterilize yourself
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@IlDiavolo
I am virgin, and essentially Russian gold digging whore, but instead of selling myself to multiple men, I wait for the right millionaire who is hopefully a cancer patient with not much time left, to sell my services to.
I need following qualifications
10 million net worth
85 years old or terminally ill
American male, preferably white
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@Stephen
Well if Christians are to be believed in their interpretation of the bible, you should love and forgive your enemies. So why are both Satan and Judas so vilified by Christianity for carrying out the will of god?
This is what I Don't get either. It isn't explicitly stated in the Bible but you can expect that both are acting in accordance with God's will. Without Judas, you don't have the resurrection, and Satan is just there apparently to test the faith of Christians if the book of Job is to be believed.
I mean I consider myself a Christian and I have great respect for both Satan and Judas.
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For cum maxing I recommend plenty of Zinc, pineapple juice and celery as well as mistreating only once every 48 hours
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@FLRW
Imagine if Trump and Hitler went through a time warp and Hitler had a copy of Mein Trumpf on his nightstand.
It would actually be the art of the deal
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@Best.Korea
Hitler was the bad guy?
According to one expert, Hitler brought some good things to the table. https://youtu.be/t86V-1dmS6k?si=hQti9u0CzxCnV5by
So maybe history is more nuanced in America, and this is why your president funds Ukraine nazis. In mother Russia, we oppose Hitler except in the regions where it is predominately Muslim population
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Beating the evil people in charge of Germany in 1945 also cost people dearly, but was worth it
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@DebateArt.com
I offered to buy the site under a different username previously. Just hit me up so this doesn't go into the wrong hands
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@Ultramaga
He polls better than Biden, which is why the deepstate will take out Biden. Taking out Trump is off the table because it means Ramaswami wins, and he is more dangerous to the elites
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@Best.Korea
He will not win. American intelligence agencies will assassinate biden so that way Newsome can run and defeat Trump.
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@Stephen
@Lemming
I mean you can probably isolate some very useful, positive and encouraging words in Mein Kampf, it doesn't mean you should use the book as a guide for how to live your life.
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