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@Vegasgiants
You are using obfuscation and you are being disingenuous.
Your conduct is insulting, ( do you perceive this as an insult ?)
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@Vegasgiants
Then I will ask 27 times.
Define your terms 27 times.
You are using obfuscation and you are being disingenuous.
Your conduct is insulting, ( do you perceive this as an insult ?)
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@Vegasgiants
It's not on this thread. Look thru your posts on other threads and find it.Not my problem if you didn't read it
So your terms exist somewhere in the multiverse.
That seems to be the definition of a state ( with a lower case "s").
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@Vegasgiants
Terms!!!!
Define "trans rights".
Third request.
The term may have meaning to you, but it may be different from reality, and probably is.
Without definition, you are simply talking to yourself, which is probably best anyway.
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@Vegasgiants
Cite what terms you have defined and what number the text is in.
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@Vegasgiants
That's nice
It is in fact very nice being me and having a very nice night.
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@Vegasgiants
Do you ever get tired of yourself.
I have never insulted you ( even though you have insulted me ).
Now definition if you might.
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@Vegasgiants
I oppose trans athletes and trans meds or surgery on minorsOtherwise fully support trans rights
Define "trans rights".
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@Vegasgiants
Then debate me on whether or not Palestine was and is a nation.
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@Vegasgiants
Thanks. I always do.
I will monitor your activities on this site.
You have "awakened the sleeping giant"
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@Vegasgiants
I said quite clearly it happens on the forum first.
It HAS happened. Now let's move on to the debate. You can set your own terms.
I am pressing the issue because you have said that you have "beaten me" in the forum.
You have not. Let's let others judge.
If you or I post a topic that interests me and we engage without insult I will consider it.
The debate I posted was right out of the context of this forum ,,,which you started...so it must be of interest to you.
and we engage without insult
Then stop insulting ME!!!
Debate. Let others remove your "Vegasgiants Mesura"
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@Vegasgiants
I don't accept your terms
Then YOU post the debate, and establish the terms YOURSELF.
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US credit rating was downgraded by S&P in 2011
US credit rating was downgraded by Fitch in 2023.
The United States is now BORROWING money to PAY INTEREST on money that has ALREADY BEEN BORROWED.
Is there a term for that ( e.g. "insolvency" or "bankruptcy")?
I would call that a PROBLEM.
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US credit rating has been downgraded in 2023 by Fitch.
Is that because "Biden is doing a great job with the economy"?
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@Vegasgiants
Then YOU post the debate, and establish the terms YOURSELF.
Your failure to debate is therefore an automatic win for me.
Those are MY terms.
Abrams lied.
P.S. The voters can decide who is insulting whom.
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@Vegasgiants
Then YOU post the debate, and establish the terms YOURSELF.
Your failure to debate is therefore an automatic win for me.
Abrams lied.
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@Vegasgiants
You will not accept my terms.
Then YOU post the debate, and establish the terms YOURSELF.
Your failure to debate is therefore an automatic win for me.
Abrams lied.
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@Vegasgiants
I find your demeanor to be insulting.
We can debate and let the voters determine who is the one throwing insults.
You won't accept the debate because you will lose, and your worldview will come crashing down.
Your failure to debate is therefore an automatic win for me.
Abrams lied.
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@Vegasgiants
BTW I have reviewed this forum. There are NO insults posted by me. Only facts.
Actually in review I have found YOU to be insulting, but I would expect that behavior from you.
Accept the debate
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@Vegasgiants
Insult is ANYTHING said that refers to the PERSON not the argument and is NEGATIVE in any way
Not if the comment is both descriptive and true!
You don't need to discuss me....which you have done often.....you COULD stick to the argument
As I have asked you before....submit a list of insults that you perceive to have existed.
The absence of such list proves that the insults do not exist.
Go to the Debates section and accept my debate.
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@Vegasgiants
I am happy to debate others. Not you unless you agree to my termsFirst insult loses. You can say nothing about the other person that can be considered demeaning
You must define "insullt". Define "demeaning".
These must be at a level without controversy. They cannot be "perceived" but must be real.
As I have asked you before....submit a list of insults that you perceive to have existed.
The absence of such list proves that the insults do not exist.
I will put the debate back up after you agree to defining the 2 terms above.
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@Vegasgiants
Pooofff!
Now you are a sandwich.
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@Vegasgiants
AND when you say...
I accept your insults concession
You cannot accept what has not been offered.
You cannot accept what has not been earned.
As I have asked you before....submit a list of insults that you perceive to have existed.
The absence of such list proves that the insults do not exist.
Failing that you have been defeated now for the tenth time .
Now debate me
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@Vegasgiants
Did you fail to understand yet one more thing?
You have a juvenile style in your responses and reasoning.
Perhaps you should go back to Facebook.
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@secularmerlin
Imagine that currency had never been invented. Would engines cease to function? No they would not. Now let's say you have money but no gasoline. Will your engine cease to function? You betcha. Know ehy? Because capital is not the resource it is only a stand in. Resources could still be utilized without this stand in.
You have a very basic misunderstanding of the relationship of capital to industry.
Imagine that currency had never been invented. Would engines cease to function? No they would not.
They would not exist in the first place without massive amounts of capital.
Now let's say you have money but no gasoline. Will your engine cease to function? You betcha.
The non existent engine would not have refineries to supply gasoline without massive amounts of capital.
Your reasoning starts with the present condition where engines exist and gasoline is available.
How much capital did Ford need?
Here is what Ford says .."With 12 investors and 1,000 shares, the company had spent almost all of its $28,000 cash investment by the time it sold the first Ford Model A on July 23, 1903."https://corporate.ford.com/about/history/company-timeline.html#:~:text=The%20Ford%20Motor%20Company%20is,A%20on%20July%2023%2C%201903.
How much money did Standard Oil need?
"How did the Standard Oil Company start?
The company's origins date to 1863, when Rockefeller joined Maurice B. Clark and Samuel Andrews in a Cleveland, Ohio, oil-refining business. In 1865 Rockefeller bought out Clark, and two years later he invited Henry M. Flagler to join as a partner in the venture."https://www.britannica.com/topic/Standard-Oil
In all free market cases capital proceeds industry, except in slave labor centralized tyrannical States.
Which do you prefer?
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@Vegasgiants
Better luck here time
I can have no better luck than the victory that comes with skill.
Why do you believe things that you cannot defend?
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@Vegasgiants
Uh....nope. You conceded after you started the insults
As I have asked you before....submit a list of insults that you perceive to have existed.
The absence of such list proves that the insults do not exist.
I accepted your concession
There was no concession on my part to be offered.
YOU declined to debate....thereby YOU forfeited.....my case was proven.
Therefore my points are proven that there is a heart and Democrats accept lies about abortion.
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@Vegasgiants
Vegasgiants has contended that there is no heart at 6 weeks gestation. His ONLY sources are a failed politician and an expert opinion from a biased source.
I have provided over a dozen scientific medical research papers that have been peer reviewed and published.
In an epistemological hierarchy, the dozen scientific medical research papers that have been peer reviewed and published outweighs the opinion.
I have challenged Vegasgiants to a debate, which Vegasgiants declined on August 2, 2023.
Therefore my points are proven that there is a heart and Democrats accept lies about abortion.
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@Vegasgiants
OK I guess you don't want me to debate with you here on this issueThought I would give it a chanceBuh bye
The debate has been posted. Accept it if you dare.
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@secularmerlin
Any industry needs capitalNo it dies not. It needs resources. You share conflating two separate ideas.
YOU are the one "conflating"
"Is industrialization prevented by lack of capital? Many people in the Venture Capital business would argue yes. Richard Florida and Donald F Smith Jr. both argue that in order for a country to make the jump there must be enough initial capital to make the jump to (as Vollrath would say) “[producing] new things that are more valuable than the old things produced.” This is the problem for many countries today that are looking to make the jump into the modern age"https://historyatnormandale.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/is-industrialization-prevented-by-lack-of-capital/
Ok why is it a problem if a woman's a child and also is not married?We have already addressed this issue.Post number please.
Numbers 1 to 150.
The it here for me at least is children starving. It is either worth keeping children from starving or not. I think it is pretty worthwhile personally.
I NEVER said "let children starve" I merely proposed a hierarchy of responsibility. Even you would have to agree that if we reduce the number of children whose sole source for survival is the public dole, we could take better care of the fewer children, as opposed to your position of creating starvation through bankruptcy.
You are the one who is promoting starvation!!!
I am promoting a society of plenty.
Which is better?
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@Vegasgiants
How about we debate the issue of when the heart is formed. ( this is from another forum )
I would say at 6 weeks
Will you accept?
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@Vegasgiants
"The name is also officially used as the short-form reference to the State of Palestine" Sourced above
Got that? THE STATE OF PALESTINE !!!!!!
"... the terms country, state, and nation are often used interchangeably. ...A State (note the capital "S") is a self-governing political entity. The term State can be used interchangeably with country". https://www.fortbendisd.com/cms/lib/TX01917858/Centricity/Domain/1006/Country%20State%20Nation.doc#:~:text=While%20the%20terms%20country%2C%20state,which%20share%20a%20common%20culture.
" In 1988 the Palestine National Council meeting in Algiers proclaimed the establishment of the State of Palestine." https://www.un.org/unispal/history/#:~:text=In%201988%20the%20Palestine%20National,of%20the%20State%20of%20Palestine.
"The General Assembly adopted a resolution granting to Palestine the status of non-member observer State in the United Nations" https://www.un.org/unispal/history/#:~:text=The%20General%20Assembly%20adopted%20a,State%20in%20the%20United%20Nations.
"Nation" defined....
"A nation is a territory where all the people are led by the same government. The word “nation” can also refer to a group of people who share a history, traditions, culture and, often, language—even if the group does not have a country of its own."https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/nation/
Case proven and closed.
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@Vegasgiants
AS I SAID BEFORE...
"Oh!
I forgot who I was dealing with. LOL
You are saying that Palestine was a PROVINCE and not a NATION.
Well being Mr. Literal suits you well.
Provinces were based on many factors, most of which were the same factors on which nations are based.
Many Roman provinces formed the basis for nationhood. Spain, Italy, Greece, France, Germany ( in part), Britain, Arabia, Macedonia, Egypt ( in part), and Palestine ( known sometimes as Levant) all grew from the Roman Empire. There are more also, but you might get the point here.
Before you respond, do a little research on the area."
From WIKI
"Palestine (Arabic: فلسطين, romanized: Filasṭīn, pronounced [fɪ.lɪs.tˤiː.n]), officially the State of Palestine[a] (دولة فلسطين, Dawlat Filasṭīn), is a state located in the Southern Levant region of West Asia. (a)
(a) " Note that the name Palestine can commonly be interpreted as the entire territory of the former British Mandate, which today also incorporates Israel. The name is also officially used as the short-form reference to the State of Palestine[15] and this should be distinguished from other homonymous uses for the term including the Palestinian Authority,[16] the Palestine Liberation Organization,[17] and the subject of other proposals for the establishment of a Palestinian state."
(15) Bissio, Robert Remo, ed. (1995). The World: A Third World Guide 1995–96. Montevideo: Instituto del Tercer Mundo. p. 443. ISBN 978-0-85598-291-1.
(16) Baroud, Ramzy (2004). Kogan Page (ed.). Middle East Review (27th ed.). London: Kogan Page. p. 161. ISBN 978-0-7494-4066-4.
(17) United Nations General Assembly Session 43 Resolution 43/117. 75th plenary meeting. Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees A/RES/43/117 8 December 1988. Retrieved 10 June 2014.
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@Vegasgiants
Oh!
I forgot who I was dealing with. LOL
You are saying that Palestine was a PROVINCE and not a NATION.
Well being Mr. Literal suits you well.
Provinces were based on many factors, most of which were the same factors on which nations are based.
Many Roman provinces formed the basis for nationhood. Spain, Italy, Greece, France, Germany ( in part), Britain, Arabia, Macedonia, Egypt ( in part), and Palestine ( known sometimes as Levant) all grew from the Roman Empire. There are more also, but you might get the point here.
Before you respond, do a little research on the area.
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@Vegasgiants
It was never a country.
Many people disagree.
From WIKI .."Syria Palaestina (Koinē Greek: Συρία ἡ Παλαιστίνη, romanized: Syría hē Palaistínē, [syˈri.a (h)e̝ pa.lɛsˈt̪i.ne̝]), or Roman Palestine,[1][2][3] was a Roman province in the Palestine region between the early 2nd and late 4th centuries AD. The province's capital remained Caesarea Maritima."
- "Roman Palestine". Britnannica.
- ^ Trevor Bryce, 2009, The Routledge Handbook of the Peoples and Places of Ancient Western Asia
- ^ Roland de Vaux, 1978, The Early History of Israel, Page 2: "After the revolt of Bar Cochba in 135, the Roman province of Judaea was renamed Palestinian Syria.
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@Vegasgiants
I have offered to debate you in the DEBATE area. This is the FORUM area,
BTW I am STILL waiting for you to list a dozen sources in another forum where you gave a non scientific view.
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@Vegasgiants
It's not preventable
It only needs to be controllable. It needs to be controlled better than it is now.
A 225% increase in 35 years is a problem that is only getting worse.
BTW I am STILL waiting for you to list a dozen sources in another forum where you gave a non scientific view.
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@secularmerlin
So many things you need to learn.....
Ok why is it a problem if a woman's a child and also is not married?
We have already addressed this issue.
. Capitalism is not necessary for Industrialization.
Any industry needs capital. It can come from individuals as it did in the 18th century, or it can come from centralized government ( but only 2 centuries later ).
So capitalism was heading for third base when governments were just sitting in the dugout.
The discussion would seem to revolve around if it IS preventable and if it is WORTH the cost for that prevention.
Now you're getting close.
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@secularmerlin
It is also possible I would prefer a commonwealth approach where the funds generated by capitalism equally benefit everyone rather than only the ultra wealthy.
"the funds generated by capitalism equally benefit everyone rather than only the ultra wealthy."
What planet are you from?
I would give you a link disproving your belief, but based on what I have seen, you wouldn't read it anyway.
BTW read "Don’t Tell Bernie Sanders, but Capitalism Has Made Human Life Fantastically Better." ( no link provided for you ).
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@secularmerlin
Mother's being unwed is not a problem per se is it?
Within this thread ...Yes it is ....A = A
It is children who are not being financially supported that is the problem right?
Within this thread ...Yes it is ....A = A
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@secularmerlin
Here are two incompatible quotes from YOU
To clarify when you say "who pays?" Do you actually mean "who ought to pay?"?
You then went on to answer what you thought was the question ( i.e. now you think A is B ) and later you said
I thought the question was "if the father cannot be found then who pays?" I thought that was A.
Now you think B is A .
Well here is a C for you
In 1985 18% of births were to unwed mothers
In 2020 40% of births were to unwed mothers
do you see the problem ( A ).
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@secularmerlin
I am prepared to listen to this third option so long as you give it in plain direct language.
Are you prepared to accept that if I say "A" , I have said "A" even if you hear B..C..D..E..F therfore G even where G is not equal to A?
Or am I simply defending reality against some ghostly presence?
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@Athias
Whatever you say, secularmerlin will hear something else entirely.
It gets tiresome very fast.
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@secularmerlin
Correct me if I'm wrong but your main argument here is "no person(s) or organization(s) should put an undue burden upon the average tax payer".
Well Mr. Straw Man you are wrong.
By your statement it is obvious that you have read neither the totality of my posts nor have you read the links I have sent.
You have been corrected.
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@secularmerlin
By your question it is obvious that you have read neither the totality of my posts nor have you read the links I have sent.
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@secularmerlin
The answer to all is in the various links that I have sent to you, as well as all the previous correspondences.
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