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Neither should be. The people who have been proven to have the virus should be.

See you don't understand that driving isn't a constitutional right nor do you understand that by getting a license you agreed to all laws created and that will be created related to driving a car. The drunk driving analogy is a worthless argument, it has no relevance. You agreed  by getting the license that if you refuse to submit to a field sobriety test you will be arrested and loose your driving privileges.  Weather or not you want to fight it in court, that's up to you, but at least you have a choice. You may not be convicted of a DUI but you will still loose your driving privileges because you refused a sobriety test.  The driving laws are very clear on that. Refusing a sobriety test is a completely different charge than a DUI.  Any scenario you put forth all are afforded due process of the law. I am afforded no due process of law by being forced to wear a mask. The has shown no probable cause and has not even attempted to prove I am a danger to anyone.  I am sorry you hate due process and the constitution, maybe you should move to another country where they don't have that.

What  part of driving isn't a constitutional right don't you  understand? When you get a drivers license you consent to be pulled over and checked for sobriety. It's like a damn broken record.  It has no relevance. You agreed to all the terms and conditions by getting the license. What part of that don't you understand?

You have no constitutional right to have sex with anyone

You all seem to have no understanding of what due process of law is. Yes I would be negligent in spreading the virus if it is proved that I have it. You all seem to think no one or the law has to prove anything anymore. Just make some accusation or that you might do something and your guilty as charged.

Yes another moral superiority argument

I do not have a constitutional right to drive a car. When I got my drivers license I consented to obey all driving laws. I do not consent to being forced to wear a mask and never signed anything agreeing to. Also prove I am endangering anyone's life. Your claims of "I might be" are as worthless as two tits on a hog. You care nothing about your constitutional rights,  And you are free to let govt trample all over them and deny you due process under the law. I how ever do care about my constitutional rights and if I am going to be accused of being a danger to the public I have a right to due process and the the state must prove that I am. It also must show probable cause to test me.  Bottom line is you claim moral superiority and because you do my constitutional rights mean nothing to you. So don't you ever lecture anyone about how you have constitutional rights in the future for any reason.

I am aware of this ruling. No where in the constitution does it say I am responsible for the health and well being of others.  If am going to be forced at gun point to do so I want to be compensated for my losses. Nor does it say anywhere in any powers granted under state of emergency that I am responsible for anyone's health and well being. But these are just laws and it has been demonstrated that laws are nothing more than subjective suggestions to be followed if you want to based on your level of emotion, hysteria and sense of moral superiority over others.

Would you wear a mask for the rest of your life if the same "health experts" that are telling you to wear a mask now tell you you have to wear one forever to make sure this never happens again? 

I had a roommate who had one, The loudest most god awful pet imaginable. 

History is rewritten every ten years. History is what ever you want to believe it is. The history I was taught in no way resembles what you were taught.  Just look at all the versions available and pick one, that's your version of history. There is no right or wrong version of history. 

Yes, the moral superiority argument, I can take my constitutional rights and due process under the law and shove them up my ass 

Any mask that does not filter corna virus does not control its spread, absolute scientific fact. No mask manufacturer that makes masks that are not designed to do so will never say they do.  They will be sued out of existence. Show in legal terms the governor or any county official  has the authority TO WRITE NEW LAWS unilaterally during a state of emergency. If I am going to be accused of spreading a virus by not wearing a mask you must prove that I am. You cant make accusations based on maybes and might be. The law is clear. If I am to be forced to wear a mask, I want it proved by science and a court of law that I am in fact a carrier and a threat. I have constitutional rights and the law must show probable cause to charge me with a crime. First and foremost I lose none of my constitutional rights during a state of emergency.  If I am to be accused of spreading a virus by not wearing a mask, I want all the rights provided to me under the constitution that say the law must show probable cause and bears 100% of the burden of proof.   Also if my business or house is going to be commandeered or shut down the govt must reimburse me for all my losses as I did not consent to such action. All businesses that have been shut down under the law are to reimbursed for their losses "IF" the govt does not prove that your business is in fact infected with corna virus and is actively spreading it. If they prove it  then they can shut it down and you are entitled to nothing All of these laws are being completely ignored. Again you do not lose your constitutional rights under a state of emergency.  But then again when did rights and the rule of law ever matter.

 

I have no obligation to care if you live or die. I can not control a virus, I do not have access to anything to control it's spread,  the only thing that control the spread of a virus is a self contained hazmat suit.  Saying the govt has the authority is like saying I have the authority to take all your shit. You just accept that it does and comply

If I don't wear a face mask and get fined, is the govt telling me I am directly responsible for and obligated to prevent Acts of God and nature? I live in Florida, my house could be destroyed by a hurricane and thousands of people could be killed, what personal responsibility does each and every person in America have to prevent this. I see no difference in being told I have to do something to prevent a virus from spreading. I didn't create the virus, I cant control a virus, I have no obligations what so ever to even care about the virus or if you get it. By what authority can you make me give a shit or do anything about an act of god or nature? 

Lets have some fun, lets all put some date in  American history and the relevant event that took place on that day and rewrite it to meet today's self loathing America hating environment.

I'll start:   July 4th 1776  The Declaration of Independence from Britain is signed and ratified.   Rewrite:  This  was a day that heinous slave holders choose to celebrate their senseless slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent people from Britain and stealing land from the native people. Thus unjustly declaring it their land.

Show us an example of "evolved humor" I'm really curious as to what that is. I may have seen it, didn't know it was evolved humor and didn't laugh because I need to be trained in what is funny in this new "evolved humor."

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you have never seen the movie?

It wasn't a debate or a competition

I think the movie Blazing Saddles should be played on every TV station every cable station and  every social media site  non stop  24/7 for 5 days. What say you?

I posted my thoughts, your words do nothing to change those thoughts.  Although I would like to change one thing. Where I  said The police don't need to be retrained, society does."  I would like to change that to "The police don't need to be retrained, you do" And when I say "YOU" I mean it in a rhetorical way not directed at you.

Yes because, pain is the only thing violent people understand. The young man in this video will at the very least reconsider such behavior where as being arrested would do nothing, counseling would do nothing, giving him a $1500 welfare check would do nothing. He  must fear both his victim and the consequences of his actions.  The violence used against the perpetrator of violence must be 1000 times more severe.  For instance you beat someone up who did nothing to instigate the beating you should have both your arms and legs broken leaving you crippled for the rest of your life. Civility never solved anything involving violence Shock and aw violence by good men ends violence.                   

                "A harmless man is not a good man, a dangerous and merciless man who keeps that shit in check is"

Um ya, life is pointless without purpose.

I clicked on the link and the picture I am looking at shows he is bald with no hair. I even enlarged the photo on my desktop to be sure

These two photos  seem to show George Floyd had time to shave his head while being arrested. https://xephula.com/content/uploads/photos/2020/06/xephula_5a77134e44205ff8ed0d935daed81a18.jpg?fbclid=IwAR0TgTQyZBY41Ld3z5MsJIVNlY39YfDx7_XLma25UupSMszqTvk2fZJSCic

Maybe so, but in the end left is the only way to go from total anarchy.  From Pure anarchy you either go to total totalitarian or you step by step get there eventually. Simply look at US history and the gradual move it is taking to eventual total totalitarian rule. We didn't start at pure anarchy but we have moved left and will continue to do so We are no longer governed anymore, we have entered into being ruled. We are just one or two generations away with the current forces at work and the ignorance of the people pushing it along by thinking govt will improve their lot in life.  The country will never move less left. I don't say move to the right because in my opinion there is no right. Just more or less left.

I disagree, the main purpose in life is to have purpose.  Simply existing with no purpose in life in my view would  be the most dull and boring existence imaginable.  I would prefer death over a pointless purposeless  existence. Whats there to be happy about if you serve no purpose?

I've learned all that could be learned here. You may now bicker amongst yourselves about completely unrelated topics.

I'm not to worried about books, Not many kids even read books or even know how to read .  For those that do, I believe they have already far surpassed the intellectual level of their non reading counter parts and don/t need mothering anymore/

Thanks for your interpretation

The thing is I didn't ask anyone to argue anything but only give what they have been taught to believe what is the most extreme left and right thinking.  Clearly no one can agree on what that is.  What I was taught was very simplistic almost to simplistic for most peoples tastes.  Like I said earlier in an even more simplistic way.  You are either a slave with a master and no rights the ultimate oppression or it's every man for himself only the strong survive  the ultimate freedom, answer to no one. 

HMMMM clarity and agreement even on the most rudimentary level  is such a pointless endeavor. LOL

I don't think you understand the OP

Hmmm I'll have to try this from a different angle. Nobody seems to want to define what the very most extreme of left thinking or right thinking is but rather move to the center and characterize in philosophical terms. That's not what I am asking.  We need a starting point, the point at which there is no left and no right.  Can we agree that pure anarchy, every man for himself, no laws, no rules, no govt, no justice no nothing is a starting point? Basically only the most physically strong can survive, no friends no allies just every man for himself.  If we can agree on this as a starting point I would contend all thinking is left thinking.  To the left is the only place to go from anarchy.  Anarchy cant last. So the most powerful and strongest will do one of two things. They will become a supreme ruler and enslave everyone by forming allies so each can sleep at night and not be murdered in their sleep and to help beat the shit out of people who don't do as they are told. The ruler and his allies are the govt or ruling elite if you will and everyone else is a slave. The ruling elite agree not to kill each other and force everyone with their power to be their slaves. OR they may get allies and agree to enforce rules that say you will be killed if you try to kill and rob other people but you may do as you please other wise. One could not leave their home or hunt or gather food if they had to always defend it 24/7/365.  Either way you look at it you are moving to the left . More laws more rules you move to the left until you go so far to the left you end up with the ruling elite and everyone else is a slave.  There really is no right leaning thinking, but only degrees of left thinking.  Moving from say communism to socialism is not right leaning thinking it's just less left thinking.

Well, it looks like we as people have no agreement on what far left and far right means. I was surprised by this. I thought there would be over all agreement but subtle differences. Not so at all. 

These life style studies are worthless. If new Zealand had to pay for its own standing military to defend it's country they would not be able to be the giant nanny state that they are. Just like the US, 50% of all their revenues or more would have to go to fund a standing military and even then that wouldn't even be enough to protect their country from a country like Iran in a conventional war. All nanny states would crumble into third world shitholes if they couldn't rely on the US military for protection.

Far left and far right as it was explained to me as a child at about 13 years of age.  The most extreme left thinking is total control over everything. The govt decides everything that an individual can and cant do, wear they live, where they work, and so on. Everything is rationed based on what the govt thinks you need to survive. Govt controls all production of everything. The individual lives only to serve the state, the individual is completely expendable, individual rights do not exist.  Extreme right thinking is basically anarchy. No laws, no rules, no govt. The wants of the individual are all that matter. 

Well so far No one seems to agree on anything. LOL I am not one step closer to any definitive definition that even half the people could agree on.

Volume all the way up       https://twitter.com/i/status/1272191979846336513

In order for me and everyone else to get clarity or to be perfectly clear what left wing and right wing thinking really are, I would like to dispense with all known labels such as communism, socialism, fascism etc.  I need to know what the most far left thinking person would want in terms of a govt and what the most far right thinking person would want in terms of a govt.  Again no labels, just define what they would want in terms of a govt and what powers it would  have and not have.  Just define the most extreme far left and far right.  Once this has been defined I will be able to place all known labels with absolute clarity  in their respective left or right leaning category based on what those known labels have done and want today.      For example: With your definitions I will be able to determine  if  supporters and members of  BLM   are left leaning or a right leaning thinking people. 

Ya, what ever. The feeling is mutual. I put up with fuck boy Obama for 8 years. Now it's your turn.

I generally don't give much thought to people who live a life of crime and drug abuse, as their misery is 100% self inflicted. No one can control the consequences of their poor life choices.  Even the most trivial poor life choice can end in death. People have died for stealing a dollar. George Floyd's death is just an accumulation of criminal poor life choices that finally caught up to him. If he wasn't breaking the law and cleaned up his act he would still be alive. People like George Floyd are the only reason the police exist. He and all people like him are responsible for the existence of the very entity that killed him. Without people like George Floyd around we wouldn't need the police. Instead of saying fuck the police, quit fucking breaking the law and we wont need them. Until such time, fuck George Floyd and all like him that make the police  necessary. Those are my thoughts. The police don't need to be retrained and reformed, society does.

How would you know if anything is misinformation? I get my information from the same place you get yours. LOL  Two people can listen to the same words verbatim and come up with two completely different interpretations. Why is your interpretation of any information more valid?  For example: "Wearing masks helps stop the spread of covid -19". Millions interpret this as accurate information and millions who actually know in the real science of masks, how they work and the different designs will say it's complete BS. Who's wrong? Who's spreading the disinformation? And here's the best part, when one interpretation provides indisputable scientific evidence that the other interpretation is wrong. The interpretation that is wrong, after having been proved wrong using indisputable scientific evidence  will still believe they are right. The Govt, the healthcare industry and the entire scientific community are not exempt from doing this. There are numerous examples of all three doing this. Willfully I might add.

I wont report it, I am not a triggered little pussy. I can take it. I support Trump not the Republican party . Trump only ran as a Republican he is in no way in alignment with the Republican party. The Republican party is every bit the traitorous treasonous party as the Democrat party. I d have them all hanged. Both parties sold this country and the  people down the river to enrich themselves and to the detriment of multiple generations to come. 

I will predict a landslide win for Trump. The reason I say this is the Democrats did not give  me one reason to vote "FOR" them in 2016 and even less reason in 2020. The die hard Never Trumper's will not be enough. They offer nothing worth voting "FOR" other than vote against Trump because we think  he's a poopy head. My opinion of course, you may see something in the Democrat party that eludes me that's worth voting "FOR".

It's a rhetorical bet, although I did make an actual non monetary bet on DDO with one person. They could not log on for thirty days if they lost the bet. He welshed on it of course.

Those and anything else, people cant seem to mind their own business and fuck off.  

 

Yes, in a nut shell. I am not complaining, I am pointing out that complainers cant fuck off.

Back in 2016 I bet everyone on DDO that Trump was gonna win and I was roasted and lambasted  for suggesting such a thing. Hillary was gonna win, it was a slam dunk. I knew better. Just to throw this out there and make all of you loose your minds again, I will make this prediction. The police officer who "ALLEGEDLY" murdered George Floyd, and I use the word "allegedly" because "SUPPOSEDLY" you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law,  wont be convicted. George Floyd was alive and kicking in the back of the police car after the neck video. The autopsy will show he died of a heart attack or some kind of organ failure due to the drugs that were in his system at the time, not asphyxiation. Just saying. When it comes time to testify "under oath" the corner is gonna tell it like it really is. Forget what you have heard on the news. Anyone wanna bet I am wrong?

War is what happens when you try to force your views down other peoples throats.  I choose to fuck off and society can do  what ever it has  to, to try and fuck me using the gun barrel of govt.  I will do what ever I can to undermine those efforts via the voting booth or any other means that I can use that doesn't involve violence and tyranny upon others. The days of civil discourse have been over for the last 300 years in my opinion. It's pretty clear to me there is no rule of law, the govt is corrupt from top to bottom and law enforcement is corrupt from top to bottom along with the entire justice system to.   Nothing left to talk about. It's kill or be killed. I don't want to kill people so I will fuck off and mind my own business. But that wont be good enough will it.  I have absolutely no wisdom or advice to offer that today's society  wants to hear or listen to.  It's made up its mind.