secularmerlin

Citation needed.

If our perceptions accurately reflect reality then this is demonstrably false. You are welcome to believe things that are demonstrably false but I am unable to do so.

Well I'd have rather she was dead but out of the fight is out of the fight.

I can agree to that definition provided it is the entirety of the definition. If however you begin adding attributes that reality cannot be demonstrated to have (like being the creator of the universe or a moral authority or the capacity to love) then you have altered your definition sufficiently that I cannot accept it until such time as these attributes can be demonstrated to me.

In that case rational discussion may also be impossible.

We have to agree on definitions because definitions are subjective.

Actually we have to agree on definitions first otherwise we are not even having the same conversation.

And if we agreed on a meaning for those words that made sense in this context you would be right.

And if we agreed on a meaning for those words that made sense in that order in this context you would be right.

As is often the only honest answer we don't know.

You are the one making a claim. The burden of proof belongs to you. Eternalvw didn't "force" anything onto you, you shouldered the burden yourself in making this claim.

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Can you show me your table eash?

I disagree. All words have arbitrary definitions. Language evolves over time as popular usage changes and popular usage is all that a definition describes.

Is your goal to convince atheists that god exists? That may be a futile endeavor in most if not all cases but that certainly isn't the only possible goal one might have for presenting an argument. I don't expect I shall convince any theists that the available evidence does not support their claims but it isn't a futile endeavor to debate with theists about the subject. Even if we both remain unconvinced of the others position it gives one sonething to think about. Also if I make even one friend (and I concider you my friend so I have) then the process was far from futile. 

I guess what I'm really trying to say janesix is thank you for being you☺.

See what I mean about taking things too seriously. Lighten up buddy, and try to remember that there isn't a funny forum.

You take everything too seriously and make too many unfounded unprovable assumptions to be taken seriously. At least this is the impression I've gotten from our interactions on this sight. Your so focused on "winning" (whatever that means) that you seem to have forgotten that the whole point of debate is to showcase opposing ideologies. It's a tool of learning and understanding. Also just so we are clear made up constructs, like money, government, or social status can have huge effects on one's life. That doesn't mean they exist outside our collective agreement that they do. 

And how many of us can you carry?

I'm home from work. I see we didn't use up those two rounds of actions.

Physical trinkets, like slips of paper or metal discs, exist without an observer (If anything physical exists) without someone to decide that these objects are currency they are not money so no money doesn't exist absent an observer.

A metal disc is not money unless we agree that it is a coin.

Headed for work. My next two rounds worth of actions are posted. After that spirit weapon and eldritch blast (from cover if possible) with the option for Buddamoose to take over in an emergency.

Physical trinkets, like slips of paper or metal discs, exist without an observer (If anything physical exists) without someone to decide that these objects are currency they are not money so no money doesn't exist absent an observer.

My first action is to take cover. My next action is to cast cure wounds on myself. During both actions my bonus action is to direct the spirit weapon on Offillia.

But you already did the zero hours of work. You can't undo it. I'm afraid it's all done already.

(I violated your rights {another subjective made up value} 😈)

Value is subjective too the observer. One man's trash is another man's treasure. Without an observer there is no value. If you are willing to pay five to seven money for a frapalatemochachinoamericano then that is what one is worth to you. If I think they are overpriced, overly sweet and generally undesirable refusing to drink them on those grounds and prefering plain black coffee to a frapalatemochachinoamericano then they are worthless to me. This can be subjectively true of anything even the relative value of life over inanimate objects. In fact people kill each other over inanimate objects with frightening regularity so there is clearly something to my hypothesis.

I'm not sure but I think you owe me ten money. Or an equivalent value in goods or services. I'll let you work it off. Now money is valueless in and of itself so that will be 0 hours of work. Oh you seem already to be done. 

Good game.

Oh. I am unfamiliar with that rule but I'll take what I can get.

I'm the only one seriously injured and I'm unconcious.

Magic missile doesn't require an attack roll and dms are under no obligation to "show their work". He doesn't necessarily want us to die. I would say from my experience as a dm that if he is fudging the numbers a little then it is likely in our favor. I shrugged off several of their spells and was wailing on them with magic. It makes sense that they targeted me first. Just like we are concentrating dps on just one of our opponents. 

Wow. Ouch.

I'm going to work soon and I can't post there so spiritual weapon and eldritch blast is my default act ion but if Buddamoose thinks Eikka would do something else (save a child for example) then he can briefly take Eikka over. (He did very well last time).

(Love the interrobang by the way. It is now my holy symbol.)

Attack Offallia with the spirweapon and eldritch blast. Die you wizened old trollop! This is followed by a spate of orcish curses I dare not repeat in English.

Sorry but what does that have to do with "good" and "evil"? Also we assigned value to money just as we assign value to anything. Really nothing has value, not even our lives, objectively. Objectively a human and a rock have equal importance to the universe. When viewed from the subjective viewpoint of our human awareness this changes however because as humans we tend to find ourselves and other humans more valuable than inanimate objects.

I must be whichever zodiac sign is least likely to believe in astrology.

Unless you can demonstrate that the bible is an authority on truth this is unconnected with our discussion. Now I ask again and this time please answer plainly rather than quoting unconnected source material what do you mean by falsehood is evil? Do you mean the act of telling a lie? If so are you including unintentional lies told through ignorance? Or did you mean that which does not exist is evil?

I'm back on line and caught up. Buddamoose did just fine with Eikka but if it's not too late I'd rather cast spirit weapon than guided bolt.

Does Eikka have any indication that trouble is up?

@Buddamoose @kindertina 

I'm going to work soon and I can't post there. I'm entrusting Eikka to Buddamoose and kindertina. If I get the chance to post I will but I trust them to play Eikka's passions (buddamoose) and Eikka's intellect (kindertina)

What do you mean by falsehood is evil? Do you mean the act of telling a lie? If so are you including unintentional lies told through ignorance? Or did you mean that which does not exist is evil?

Climb the ladder and checking on the roof.

Both good and evil are subjective but I know it is very difficult to do no harm and trying to promote wellbeing doesn't cancel this out or keep the promoter from harm.

@Buddamoose @TheDreadPirateRoberts

@kindertina @earth @Drafterman 

Quick up the stairs! Eikka suits actions to words keeping an eye out for traps or obstacles.

That is fair consider your debt paid in full.

I'm not sure what you mean or what it has to do with our conversation. Believing things without evidence is not a good pathway to truth.

Hey this is more cautious than I usually am don't discourage that.😆)

To be clear since I have spell sniper I'm trying to take advantage of the doorways cover while ignoring her cover bonus.

@Buddamoose @TheDreadPirateRoberts @kindertina @earth @Drafterman 

CHARGE!! (try to keep up boys) Eikka heads for the opening ready to blast off anything that hag sticks out of cover.

Better hurry then cause that raven went for back up

@Drafterman 

Eikka blasts the door with eldritch blast.

@Buddamoose @TheDreadPirateRoberts @kindertina @earth @Drafterman 

(So burn it down?)

Wait... so she went back inside?