secularmerlin

Shove Elisabeth toward Roberts with my shield (combat assist).

Eikka keeps shoving Gustav back (assisting grahf)

@Drafterman @TheDreadPirateRoberts 

Damn it Roberts your blocking my shot! Shield rushing Gustav.

@Buddamoose @Drafterman 

I slow down but I don't seem happy about it.

Be careful I just put you back together! Hurrying to follow

Especially since my knowledge domain gives me divination spells like identify.

So I looked up that definition in Miriam Webster you keep going on about.

It specifically includes infinite mind.

So until it is demonstrated to me that reality has a mind and that anything can be infinite I reject the definition, not as a measure of popular usage, but as an accurate description of reality.

I hope so. If you meant to do that you should be smacked.

How do you make that distinction? Like what is an example of a contingent and an incontinent thing?

I'm not sure what you mean when you say contingent existence. Do you mean not found in nature?

I keep cure wounds and guiding bolt. I trade sanctuary (which I didn't use) with bless and add detect magic. That way someone in the party has detect magic and identify.

Typo in updating my hp should be 17/17

By the way what do you mean by created thing? Like man made?

So to recap you can't know it but it is self evident, you can't compare it to anything but it is everything and it is what it is but it's not tautalogical.

Am I missing anything?

I'll take first watch.

Youbseem unable to say anything concrete about what you refer to as God. Why is that?

@Drafterman @TheDreadPirateRoberts @Earth 

Eikka glares at her two concious companions silently daring them to mention her tears. 

Medicine skill to save Snerp spirit weapon to kill the shadow.

I also cast resistance on Snerp (+1d4 to save)

The spirit weapon strikes the last shadow.

Medicine skill to save Snerp. Don't you die on me you stubby little bastard. Eikka wipes tears fr9m her cheeks the combat around her forgotten. 

Heal yourself and for Zud's sake disengage and get out of melee range.

Direct spirit weapon against Snerp's opponent again. Cast guiding bolt at the one before me.

Retreating back to a tautology. 

Edging back towards referring to attributes that you have not demonstrated to me that reality possesses.

I  have begun to have reasonable expectations about this conversation based on past experience, which is the closest humans can come to certainty about anything.

Looks like I'm facing the shadows more or less by myself. If I can I strike the two closest to me. Can I cast while spirit weapon does it's thing?

If I could be more specific still I would avoid any statement about what reality does, has, wants or is.

It could be very simple. Do you believe that reality has attributes like emotions, goals, thoughts or the ability to take independent independent action (as opposed to an inanimate object like a rock that only reacts when acted upon by an outside force)?

It's alright to say yes but then my question becomes why do you believe that and can you demonstrate it.

It is also alright to say no or I don't know but in that case you really shpuld stop making statements that suggest this is the case.

Sorry but it's our epistemological black hole. We live in there together and niether of us can be certain if anything except tautalogical truths such a whatever exists is real. As for assigning probability to how certain we can be I agree that we cannot accurately make a statement about that and yet you did make precisely such a statement.

Remember?

How did you arrive at this figure?

Also you have yet to conclusively address if you believe reality has thought, desires, goals or emotions nor have you addressed why you might believe such a thing if in fact you do.

I read the spirit weapon scroll.

I cover the skeleton with my crossbow during these procedings.

Saying that the truth is true because it is the truth that the truth is true is a little vague and a lot circular. I do not feel that I have to understand anything or that I could understand everything but if we cannot understand each other than we won't get very far in our conversation and if I understand you correctly you are making a claim that reality has a mind (or whatever you want to call it) that it wants things and feels emotions and pronounces judgements and you have demonstrated none of that.

If my experience with you holds true you will backpedal now until you reach a definition that is tautalogical enough to be difficult to argue with but does not actually reflect your belief that truth is an entity (or being with agency or whatever you want to call it) and then poke back towards the attributes of an entity later once I have agreed that a tautology cannot be argued with.

Would you care to cut through this to your actual beliefs or would you prefer we continue to dance arround the issue? I am open to either possibility on the off chance that one of us actually learn something.

I have no reason to believe that reality knows things or has thoughts. Would you care to demonstrate that or would you like to ammend your statement?

I have no reason to believe that good and evil are objective rather than opinion based. Would you like to demonstrate that or would you like to ammend your statement?

I am a soft solipsist by the way. What we are experiencing may not be real. It is convenient to accept my senses as a reflection of reality but I'm not sure how you could assign a percentage to how certain about it I can be.

I'm afraid you can't have it both ways.

So that's a hard no on answering my question? Also backpedaling on your claim that truth is unknowable into  claiming that I know truth from falsehood when I have clearly stated that this is beyond my epistemological limits to say with certainty?

Oh wait this is a short rest huh? Nevermind I just don't let go of my crossbow.

I take first watch .

I'd already be dead ten times over if I worshipped any other god. I'm telling you it is the will of Zud the undecided Zud the vague and referential Zud the discombobulated ! She's getting a little worked up over this. I'm telling you Snerp you should give Zud worship a try then you'd really live a long time.

Ok armor greasing time. Seriously this stuff smells like a waffle house greasetrap.

I'll be fine. This is just proof of what I said. Zud won't let me die. I'll outlive all of you.

Then I check on the kitten, maybe feed it again. Then big treat I grease my armor. The smell is like a physical weight, you can seriously taste it in the air. I mean you think I usually smell bad but daaaaaaaaaamn!

(Sweet, let me know if you want a medicine roll like sort of post mortem. 

So worth it though.

Actually I just looked it up and bless does not make water holy in 5e

(I mean I don't have it prepared but it is a spell I have access to.

(I have the bless spell.)

Screeching her frustration Eikka fires yet another bolt at the mimic

Good and evil are subjective values. Few societies, or even individuals agree on exactly what qualifies.

Also this more or less fails to address my question so allow me to restate it.

If the truth is unknowable how do you tell the truth from falsehood and if you cannot tell them apart how do you gauge which is more beneficial?