secularmerlin

Neither I or any man converts another. Only when someone out of their own God given free will chooses to repent of their iniquity and accept Christ into their heart does that healing work begin.

It takes the same amount of thought to dismiss something immediately as it does to believe something immediately.

Unless your on a quiz show.

If you had all knowledge, you still would not know God. An undefiled intellect is more valuable than all the knowledge in the world.

Reason is not sufficient to enlighten a darkened mind at enmity with The Truth.

He's a monomaniac.

As I said, I believe you lack discernment so that should give you an idea of how seriously I take your whining.

I think if we're nice to him he'll go away.

An omniscient being can give free will to who He pleases, and he would not want automatons.

If a being exists which has an all encompassing and irrefutable plan which applies to each of us personally and guides us through our everyday lives then freewill is logically incoherent.

It would depend.  You say "guides" as if we have a free will, but he simply imposes on it when it goes against his plan.  Small difference.

If you're saying that he determines all of our actions in advanced, then I agree. 

I am not even called  christianophobic

Secular, you wouldn't be harassing people would you? usually you're the mature one...

A pre-existing consciousness is all very well, but it has to be a consciousness with the power to create a material universe, estmated to be 1.5 × 10^53 kg.

My consciousness can't produce a microgram!   So we aren't really talking about a consciousness - we're talking about God, aren't we?

Eternal didn't include additional commentary with his response for me to respond.

A pre-existing consciousness is all very well, but it has to be a consciousness with the power to create a material universe, estmated to be 1.5 × 10^53 kg.

That's because you never paid attention (or didn't care to) when I've said many times that energy is present with awareness, conscious activity. This is why energy even exists, both energy and consciousness are not created or destroyed they are eternal.  Now follow.. this is real simple, the Creator uses this energy to manifest creation on all conscious levels. Do you study quantum physics? and how energy is isolated to create forms? this is why I always ask people to look at how energy operates in our own universe, why is it even there and why does it produce intelligence? why do intelligent processes even occur? it's because it's first conscious intelligence that uses energy through the processes we observe through science and spirituality to create things, stars, planets, galaxies ect ect.

So yes, the Creator absolutely has the ability to create a material universe, you're living in it.

My consciousness can't produce a microgram!   So we aren't really talking about a consciousness - we're talking about God, aren't we?

Actually whatever you put your energy and attention on you can produce. It's only because of the physical body that it takes so long to do it, when you're hungry and you've already thought about where you want to go to eat your consciousness is already there, you're physical body just has to catch up and eventually it gets there. If you want to build a house you first desire it, then se it, then plan it then execute it and this all happened because you first thought  it. With the Creator, the nature of consciousness (without form) and energy that limitation of a physical body is no longer an obstacle. Consciousness is instantaneous and God does things on grand atomic scales but it's a process to get from awareness to energy to material structure. The fun part is that the worlds beyond this one are so dynamic because they have less limitations, the less physical mass consciousness is restricted by the more freedom and creative power/ability.

You insult yourself every time you claim I'm not using plain English.  You have no desire to understand anything Ive ever stated. 

This is an ego problem on you end, not mine.

2} Spiriti-2,  physical reality ergo an occupied space aka Observed Time { /\/\/ } is composed of fermionic matter and bosonic forces,

3} Spirit-3, metaphysical-3, occupied space gravity (  ) aka positive shaped geodesic shape of Space

4} Spirit-4, metaphysical-3, occupied space dark energy )( aka negative shaped geodesic shape ofSpace.

.........(  )(  )...........side-view perspective of great { equlatorial } circle{s} bisection of negatvie and postive shaped geodesic of Space

.......( ( ( ) ) ).....birds-eye view perspective great equatorial circle bisection of negative and positive shaped geodesic of Space

OO or (OO) or O--O as simple consciousness{ twoness-othernerss }

{ \*/ } aA more complex biological/soul consciousness

{ * * } as more complex bilateral animal consciousness

{* i *} as most complex human consciousness

{ * i * } as woman being the most complex individual conciousness entity of Universe

...(/\/\)............................................................................................................

(\/\/\/\/\).... as the finite, occupied spaceUniverse being the most complex set.

...(/\/\).............................................................................................................

If X dimension exists then Y and Z are inherently included ergo Space = XYZ

If Space exists then Observed Time { /\/\/ | is inherently included ergo the term Space-Timecame to exist.

...S( * t * )S...

Pi^3{ XYZ-3D} = 31.00 62 7 66 80

Spinal cord segments in different species (for reference purposes):

     Dog: 8 cervical; 13 thoracic; 7 lumbar; 3 sacral; & 5 caudal = 36 total

     Cat: 8 cervical; 13 thoracic; 7 lumbar; 3 sacral; & 5 caudal = 36 total

     Bovine: 8 cervical; 13 thoracic; 6 lumbar; 5 sacral; & 5 caudal = 37 total

     Horse: 8 cervical; 18 thoracic; 6 lumbar; 5 sacral; & 5 caudal = 42 total

     Swine: 8 cervical; 15/14 thoracic; 6/7 lumbar; 4 sacral; & 5 caudal = 38 total

     Human: 8 cervical; 12 thoracic; 5 lumbar; 5 sacral; & 1 coccygeal = 31 total

The 5-fold{ phi-fold } icosa{20}hedron has 31 axi ergo 31 great circle/polygonal planes LINK

There is currently no way to know what was going on at 'time zero' or any earlier time.  It is hoped by many that a theory that reconciles QM and GR will reveal what is currently hidden.

No philosopher predicted the strangeness of QM or of relativity.   The secrets of nature are hard won.   I expect that when a new Einstein works it out, the solution will be an affront to common sense - for one generation.   These days we take the oddness of QM and GR in our stride and no one today thinks it odd that cats can be alive and dead at the same time.   Perhaps the generation after us will laugh that we were convinced 'nothing comes of nothing' or 'actual infinities are impossible'.  How could they think that!

There is no way we will solve such deep problems using Aristotelian syllogisms and word-play.  I believe that the solution will seem bizarre and impossible - the limitation is in our heads.   To quote JBS Haldane,

"I have no doubt that in reality the future will be vastly more surprising than anything I can imagine. Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose."

It sounds to me like the Big Bang represents the beginning of the universe. I don't see how you arrived at the conclusion that logic is insufficient to make a determination about the universe's origin.