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@MisterChris
2cellos is solid. I have their song "Celloverse" a perfect score. Best Croatian artist of all time hands down.
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well, I've had enough practice on this account. I'm moving to another one. Stay tuned!
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"Cloud Atlas had positive reviews from most critics, who felt that it managed to successfully interweave its six stories. The BBC's Keily Oakes said that although the structure of the book could be challenging for readers, "David Mitchell has taken six wildly different stories ... and melded them into one fantastic and complex work."[4] Kirkus Reviews called the book "sheer storytelling brilliance."[5] Laura Miller of The New York Times compared it to the "perfect crossword puzzle," in that it was challenging to read but still fun.[6] The Observer's Hephzibah Anderson called the novel "exhilarating" and commented positively on the links between all six stories.[7] Author and Booker Prize winner A. S. Byatt in a review for The Guardian wrote that it gives "a complete narrative pleasure that is rare."[8] The Washington Post's Jeff Turrentine called it a "highly satisfying, and unusually thoughtful, addition to the expanding 'puzzle book' genre."[9] In its "Books Briefly Noted" section, The New Yorker called the novel "virtuosic."[10] Marxist literary critic Fredric Jameson viewed the novel as a new, science fiction-inflected variation on the historical novel now "defined by its relation to future fully as much as to past."[11] Richard Murphy said in the Review of Contemporary Fiction that Mitchell had taken core values from his previous novels and built upon them.[12]
Criticism focused on the book's failure to meet its lofty goals. F&SF reviewer Robert K. J. Killheffer praised Mitchell's "talent and inventiveness and willingness to adopt any mode or voice that furthers his ends," but noted that "for all its pleasures, Cloud Atlas falls short of revolutionary."[13] The Daily Telegraph gave the novel a mixed review, focusing on its clashing themes, with Theo Tait noting: "In short, Cloud Atlas spends half its time wanting to be The Simpsons and the other half the Bible."[14]"
Criticism focused on the book's failure to meet its lofty goals. F&SF reviewer Robert K. J. Killheffer praised Mitchell's "talent and inventiveness and willingness to adopt any mode or voice that furthers his ends," but noted that "for all its pleasures, Cloud Atlas falls short of revolutionary."[13] The Daily Telegraph gave the novel a mixed review, focusing on its clashing themes, with Theo Tait noting: "In short, Cloud Atlas spends half its time wanting to be The Simpsons and the other half the Bible."[14]"
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@MisterChris
well check her out if you have time. Also recommend some stuff that sounds like her if you think u can
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@MisterChris
cool. What do you think of my favorite artist, Lindsey Stirling?
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@MisterChris
nice. Also, you never confirmed what your music influence was from. Was I right about Illenium and Gareth Emery, or not really?
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The edition is correct this time.
Benjamin Goes Crazy on Philosophy
The newest member Benjamin has been doing a lot of interesting topics, such as about logic and truth, omnipotence of god, and even whether atheists require faith or not. We wonder if he is confused, genuinely holds the belief, or something else. Either way, it's interesting to see so much going on.
Undefeatable Continues Debating
Despite his lost to Misterchris, Undefeatable keeps on trudging with his topics. Chris has commemorated the debate on his profile, and the man himself challenges himself still, with a current debate going on with Whiteflame, even playing devil's advocate with a topic he tried arguing the opposing side for. It's interesting to see what's happening every time.
Upcoming Live Debates
David hosts various tournaments and practices in order to get people more experience with actual speaking. The scheduled time for practice is on next Monday, while the tournament is wishy washy due to difficulty in getting everyone to agree on topics. I'm interested to see what happens though, as I'm also participating.
And that's it for this edition. Quite some interesting things going on recently.
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@MisterChris
ask and ye shall receive: https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/01/01/red-shadow-and-soul/
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@zedvictor4
not even close. Based on your shoddy debate performance, I’m guessing you’re pretty young. And the fact that you think my fave is chipmunks infers your artist taste range is pretty small. I’d guess yours is Justin Bieber. Or maybe the creator of Baby Shark
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@MisterChris
I'm surprised with such a good message, they decided to be lazy and slack on the melody/chorus progression. There had to be a better way to go about it. (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2020/12/31/red-let-it-burn/) Slightly better than your average rock song, though.
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@MisterChris
feel free to give more recommendations. Up for any crazy artists.
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@MisterChris
Reach for the dead is quite possibly the best vaporwave song I have listened to yet -- unless it's "ambient". Either way... (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2020/12/30/boards-of-canada-reach-for-the-dead/)
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@Wagyu
I disliked his Lucid Dream less than the song he sampled from (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2020/04/08/juice-wrld-lucid-dreams/), found Lean Wit Me fine (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2020/12/29/juice-wrld-lean-wit-me/), and liked Righteous(https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2020/12/29/juice-wrld-righteous/)
Laroi's "Tragic" was slightly challenging (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2020/12/29/the-kid-laroi-tragic/), and couldn't decide on Go (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2020/12/29/the-kid-laroi-juice-wrld-go/).
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@MisterChris
based on your electronic production, I'm guessing you draw your inspiration from ... Illenium? Maybe Gareth Emery or Marshmello.
My favorite artist is super obvious if you read my blog lol
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was bound to happen some day or another. At least it was one of the top 5 of the leaderboard and not a nobody
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@Sum1hugme
oops typo
also update: MisterChris defeated Undefeatable. RIPPERONI.
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Christmas Arrives
ho ho ho with a bottle of rum! Oops, wrong impersonation. Anyways, the good old holidays are here and most debaters seem to be taking a break. Even Oromagi is in the Christmas spirit, sharing various youtube videos and such. People are not yet discussing their presents, but I bet they will be soon enough.
Undefeatable's Results Await
The famous Undefeatable lies still in his title unclaimed. We await with patience to see if MisterChris has broken his streak, or the other way around. Either way, it's a Christmas present for one of them for sure. If Chris gets beaten, that'll be an interesting avenging of Supadudz's forced haitus. I'm excited to see who will win this intense debate. Rumors say it's Whiteflame's longest RFD on DART so far...
Weakeredge reaches 1000th forum post
Our prolific poster has reached his pinnacle state trying to find and begin interesting ideas for us to work with. He has even begun a widely different debate from his philosophy forte, instead concerning Gorillas vs bears. It's interesting to see what he'll do next. A promising user to follow for sure.
And that's all for this edition! Merry Christmas everyone!
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@whiteflame
fair enough. I just didn't want an eternal cycle like some people complained about. Maybe I'll run my own gauntlet starting from sum1, to DD, to Intelligence to Weakeredge to you?
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@Intelligence_06
would you like to finish the tower for Ayyantu? You could battle weaker edge, then Whiteflame. Or Whiteflame directly if he has time.
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I think 7 PM might be tricky as it can be dinner time. 8PM is usually safer to ensure I will be there. As for the prep time, perhaps we can get some google docs to share between each team so they can discuss what is happening and what to do?
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@aletheakatharos
what are your favorite songs?
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@MisterChris
Sure. Sounds good. Maybe we can arrange various meeting times we are willing to do on 23rd. I'm usually available all day (9AM to 10 PM)
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@MisterChris
seeing your prowess to VR, I don't want to debate that. The rest seems fine. What do you guys feel about potentially using my "I can I BB" topics (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4690-i-can-i-bb-debate-topics) that depend purely on logic and less on research? (However, I can I BB follows a 3 min opening, 1 min cross examination and 1 minute conclusion for each side)
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@Discipulus_Didicit
has he responded yet? It's been two weeks. If he gave up, maybe you'd like to take his place and challenge intelligence?
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@ethang5
I feel like the writer is heavily misguided. Most of the videos seem to be just for fun and kinky. There is no sissy hypno supporter that says you have to force yourself to take hormones or actually become a girl. The mindset is that you willingly give up a part of your control and think away from your own sexual desires. You pretend that someone else is in control, the master of the relationship. It's basically a variation of BDSM, except involved with losing your ability to think because you're so involved in your sexual submission.
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@MisterChris
but wait... what if Undefeatable is just Supadudz in disguise! Perhaps he has a chance to win after all!
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@Theweakeredge
I think you've improved a bit. Hard to tell since you went up against me, and I'm barely competent when playing devil's advocate lol. I'd have to know how bad your economic knowledge is for comparison lol.
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@aletheakatharos
ultra conservative? Do you prefer socialism or capitalism (the economy systems)?
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@Theweakeredge
oh. What about 50%?
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@Theweakeredge
what do you think of this one? Arbitrarily pick 75% or more of the world at random, and consider what happens if they all follow a maxim. If it fails logically, then it is immoral. If it succeeds upon good will, then it is moral.
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I thought over Kant's Universalism and I feel like it doesn't make sense to expect everyone in the world to follow a Maxim. Everyone has different way of acting, even if they would have the same reasoning. They would make mistakes in slightly different situations. In addition, universalism oppresses the minority as homosexuality or other unproductive acts would not be allowed. But what if we modified this to become "majority-ism"? If 75% of the world or more followed a maxim, would there be a logical contradiction? In democracies, we value the majority, but also respect the minority. With this modification, we would allow the minority to keep their rights while enforcing the majority to follow a maxim law. The flaws of universalism seem mostly fixed. Are there any problems with this idea?
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@Theweakeredge
okay, but what if we make exceptions for libertarianism? Like, science is correct, except when in case of humans' basic rights, as we have developed higher standard due to intelligence and consciousness. We retain rights to not be violated and to keep our lives, while all other ambiguous actions are decided by science.
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@Theweakeredge
how's this? Better than my previous idea?
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After working through my previous argument and MisterChris's idea about objective morality, I thought of something interesting since most of my evidence was from science. Maybe science could prove objective morality?
Idea: Because science is applied philosophy and the closest representation of the universe, it is the best idea we have which we should follow more than any other ideal. For example, it is beyond a reasonable doubt that the force of gravity exists, that the speed of light is a constant in a vacuum, etc.
As science tells us how things should act, logically, this extends to how humans should act as well. Again, we have nothing better to go on, because science is the only thing that can be proved time and time again, under countless different conditions and universally applicable.
Science tells us our genes and pre-determined instincts push us towards a specific set of morals. For example, we have evolved to naturally survive, because only those who survive long enough can reproduce their offspring. We have evolved to protect ourselves and our culture. These ideas have not changed regardless of where you are on earth, neither when in history you pick the person.
Because there are inherent values that humans value and actions that we tend to do as science predict, science tells us the objective morality. After all, every other force in the universe has some law that affects it, not affected by human thought (except perhaps quantum mechanics).
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i have very little idea what's happening in terms of developing. VTNL for now.
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@ILikePie5
I've played some casual quick games. I know most of the stuff about mafia but IDK what roles Supadudz put in here.
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I'm pretty sure random voting is a thing mostly the mafia people do. I haven't seen it done by town randomly as it is a bad idea.
VTL Elminster
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@Vader
it's a joke, The MC's classic quote is "I'm thinking of something a hundred times lewder than what you're thinking of" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4_y7wwLFcg
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