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@Tejretics
Which Hindu god do you spend the most time worshiping?
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This site is disappointing
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@Analgesic.Spectre
I love you.
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Why Thick Skinned Moderation Is Good
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@RationalMadman
I look forward to your next ban.
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what is/was your college major
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@thett3
I change ideologies wayyyy more often. It isn't uncommon for my entire intellectual paradigm to change multiple times in a single day. I don't think I've ever maintained a single ideology for more than a couple weeks. For the past several hours, I've been an epistemic nihilist -- I highly recommend it!
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what is/was your college major
Marketing.

In the past it has been Information Technology, Public Policy, Economics, Supply Chain Management, and Economics again.
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@DrChristineFord
shut up, bitch.
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Episode X: The Interrogation
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@thett3
What glorious prose! What marvelous wit! What immense creative power! "Literary masterpiece" doesn't even begin to cover it. The great authors of history weep in envy from beyond the grave. Thou hath outdone thyself, O Thett the Mighty.



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Not sure how long it is, but I think it deserves to be celebrated regardless.
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An apology
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@RationalMadman
I'd rather a trial absolutely, I would want to go down as the guy who showed that everything I was banned for was intentionally done to take others down with me and objectively cement the banning of other specific members that I won't name in this message.
No one will go down with you. You alone will be banned. We will all point and laugh, and then we will move on with our lives, forgetting you ever existed. 

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@RationalMadman
you know what, fuck this site.
womp womp

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Your foreign policy positions
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Fair enough. I didn't really consider the fact that Myanmar is in China's sphere of influence. 
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@coal
If not rehabilitation or retribution, what purpose would you like the criminal justice system to serve?
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An apology
I am more than happy to serve as assistant vote moderator.
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@Analgesic.Spectre
They have the whole world to explore, and they choose to hop into the tightest of bubbles they can find -- quite pathetic.
You're absolutely right. It simply isn't possible for a person to spend so much time online without seriously impeding their ability to live a healthy, fulfilling, well-balanced lifestyle. Many internet addicts have a very difficult time admitting that: they've grown too attached to their online personas and communities, and they don't want to recognize the massive opportunity cost of all the time they've already wasted. But they'll have to come to terms with reality eventually. And I don't mean any of that in a condescending or demeaning way -- I'm a recovering internet addict myself. 
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@coal
What do you think of the following quotation?

"There is not a single living person, in the history of humanity, who believed what they believed because it was 'rational'. People use reason to justify their opinions post hoc; what actually decides what people believe is rooted subconsciously, and is determined aesthetically. When a person converts from one religion to another, or becomes a capitalist instead of a communist, it is because that aesthetic anchor was picked up and moved, and all of their justifications and arguments then shift to reflect that. As to what can move that anchor, it can be anything from a group of friends or the surrounding culture to family and even God."

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@coal
Why would you hook up with Ben Shapiro if he was gay?

What are the three languages you speak?

You support increasing federal spending in many different areas, e.g. safety net, healthcare, education. How would you finance that? Are there any areas in which you support decreasing federal spending? Do federal budget deficits really matter as much as everyone says they do?

What would your ideal 2020 Democratic presidential ticket look like?

Who are your top five least favorite Democratic politicians?

Is there any chance you would ever run for public office? If so, when? And which office would you run for?

Which political issues are you most likely to be wrong about?
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50 Shades of Gay
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@bsh1
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Yellow vest riot, DART edition
NO BSH NO KKK NO FASCIST USA
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@RationalMadman
You have no idea how pathetic you sound.

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Your foreign policy positions
Describe your general ideology when it comes to foreign policy; particularly looking for answers from the perspective of the United States.
I think it's obvious that the U.S. needs to remain the world's dominant superpower. But at the same time, I think the U.S. foreign policy establishment has made a lot of terrible decisions in its pursuit of that goal, and we need to seriously question some of its methods. For example, what purpose is served by acting as the world's "human rights" police? Is endless military engagement really the best way to counter the spread of radical Islam? What if normalizing relations with Russia is more important than expanding NATO? Why aren't we paying more attention to the rise of China?

(1) What should US foreign policy toward Israel be? What is your general opinion of the Israel-Palestine conflict?
Israel is basically a U.S. satellite state. In order to maintain a solid foothold within the Middle East, I think we should keep it that way. As for the conflict, it's very clear that Israelis and Palestinians hate each other too much to live under a single state. A two-state solution is the answer, but both sides have been refusing to compromise for decades. The only viable option is to pile economic sanctions onto the Palestinian Authority until it caves.

(2) What should US foreign policy toward Saudi Arabia be? Specifically, should it continue military cooperation/arms sales with Saudi Arabia? Should it support the ongoing intervention in Yemen?
We need to maintain our alliance with Saudi Arabia -- they provide us with a lot of vital counter-terrorism intelligence, and more importantly, any attempt at reforming Islam will require Saudi leadership. However, maintaining the alliance doesn't necessarily mean supporting their cold war with Iran. I actually think we should seek to normalize relations with Iran and pressure Saudi Arabia to do the same. I don't buy that Iran is intrinsically hostile towards us, and I don't buy it with Russia either. In both cases, the hostility is rooted mostly in our own past overreaches.

(3) What should US foreign policy toward Myanmar be? 
I'm generally opposed to "human rights" interventions. But we don't really have any higher foreign policy priorities at stake in Myanmar, and it's such a small country that minor economic sanctions would probably be enough to do the job. When such an opportunity presents itself, we should take it.

(4) Should the US engage in drone strikes? Do you agree with the status quo in terms of drone strikes and with Obama's policies in that regard?
Drone strikes are certainly preferable to boots on the ground, but I think it's time to acknowledge that military force has not been an effective approach to eradicating radical Islam. It may have even been counter-productive. We should shift our focus to Islamic reformation.

(5) What is your opinion of Noam Chomsky's foreign policy positions? (6) What is your opinion of the foreign policy positions of Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, and Bernie Sanders? (7) What is your opinion of the foreign policy positions of Robert Gates?
Noam Chomsky is a crackpot. He seems to believe that the very idea of American hegemony is inherently evil.

Donald Trump has a mixed record. I like where he's going on some areas (e.g. China, North Korea), not so much on others (e.g. Iran, Syria, Ukraine).

Hillary Clinton is the embodiment of the U.S. foreign policy establishment. She would have made none of the necessary changes to our foreign policy.

Bernie Sanders' foreign policy positions are probably the closest to mine out of all the people you named.

I'm not familiar with Robert Gates or his views.
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@Mharman
Yes on Mike.

No on the others.
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@bsh1
please stop sending me notifications about moderation stuff. i get very excited when i see the little orange dot. the disappointment is soul-crushing.
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Political issues important to you
I'm actually not 100% sure about UBI. It might not be socially sustainable -- humans need meaningful employment to maintain a sense of purpose in their day-to-day lives. Maybe instead of radically overhauling our current economic structure, we should just double down on the idea of every American having a good job. But that would require some sort of collective freeze on automation and globalization, or potentially even undoing them to some extent.
On the other hand, employment is overrated. Most people hate their jobs, and would probably relish the opportunity to find a purpose in life outside of work.

It's also extremely difficult to forcibly create good jobs in a free market economy, due to the autonomy of private-sector businesses. Any such attempt at economic manipulation would probably fail. Much easier to just let the free market run its course, and use redistribution to handle the consequences.
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@Tejretics
I don’t buy that the effects of immigration on social cohesion are so destructive that they significantly damage the long-term sustainability of democratic governance.
Why? Anti-immigration backlash is almost exclusively responsible for the "right-wing populist" movement that you see as a threat to democracy. Seems to me that you do implicitly acknowledge how destabilizing immigration can be.

 particularly given that groups of immigrants are highly likely to form and live within their own communities
That's actually part of the problem. Ethnic segregation is clearly bad for social cohesion on a national level.



Okay. I’m not nearly as knowledgeable about the US, in particular, as you are, but I’ve seen compelling evidence to the contrary (i.e., evidence that suggests that racism, sexism, and other forms of oppression, such as prejudice against LGBTQ+ people, are quite prevalent even in developed countries).
I'm interested in seeing that evidence. Most of the studies I've read rely on absurd definitions of what constitutes "prejudice".

However, I really don’t think it’s deniable that sexism, racism, and similar forms of oppression (e.g., caste-ism in India) are prevalent in the majority of countries in the world (i.e., developing countries). 
Fair enough.
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@Tejretics
I'm actually not 100% sure about UBI. It might not be socially sustainable -- humans need meaningful employment to maintain a sense of purpose in their day-to-day lives. Maybe instead of radically overhauling our current economic structure, we should just double down on the idea of every American having a good job. But that would require some sort of collective freeze on automation and globalization, or potentially even undoing them to some extent.

I honestly don't know which approach to take. Either way, preserving long-term economic security needs to become the government's #1 priority.
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@RationalMadman
I regret to inform you that you are no longer worthy of my attention. Scurry away, rodent!
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@RationalMadman
I know who you are. You have nothing going for you IRL either. You're a pathetic creature living out an unimaginably dreary existence within the gutter of society.
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@Tejretics

However, there's good evidence to suggest that a higher gas tax and carbon taxation (e.g., the $40/ton of CO2 emissions proposal) would be effective in reducing CO2 emissions. I don't see why these wouldn't be "economically sustainable." In fact, as far as I know, the majority of economists think gas tax holidays are bad policy and carbon taxes are good
Economists have a bad habit of getting too caught up in their theoretical models, failing to remember how the world actually works on a practical level. Energy is a major expense for any household or business. It's very obvious how inflating the cost of energy would be harmful. Households will suffer from the reduction in disposable income. Businesses, especially those in energy-intensive industries, will respond either by charging higher prices or by hiring fewer workers (both of which exacerbate the harms to households). "Piglovian taxes" look great on paper, but the reality is that they make life harder for everyone.

In fact, the $40/ton proposal was created by conservative economists, who suggested that the tax be made roughly revenue-neutral by returning the proceeds "to the American people on an equal basis via quarterly dividend checks. With a carbon tax of $40 per ton, a family of four would receive about $2,000 in the first year. As the tax rate rose over time to further reduce emissions, so would the dividend payments."
This is an interesting idea, which would mitigate a lot of the harm. But not all of the harm. And I also don't think it's politically realistic to believe that American politicians would choose to sacrifice a major source of tax revenue like that.



I think immigration is probably damaging to social cohesion. I think the economic benefits of skilled immigration, nonetheless, outweigh those harms. I'm less sure about unskilled immigrants. I also think there are some evidence that racial diversity also has sociological benefits (e.g., contact hypothesis), but I haven't read the research on that idea and don't know enough, so I'll default to agreeing with you on "social cohesion."
Social cohesion is an absolute necessity for the long-term sustainability of democratic governance (and autocratic governance too, for that matter). I don't see how it's worth sacrificing social cohesion for a decrease in consumer prices.

Another thing, though, is I'm also unsure, on a moral level, about what level of obligations countries have to noncitizens. People generally agree that development aid is a good thing. Should that principle extend to creating policies for the main reason that they would benefit the immigrants themselves? I agree that countries have a greater obligation to their citizens -- the question, though, is the extent of obligation they have to immigrants and weighing the benefits to immigrants against the possibility of harms to the nations themselves. 
I don't think countries have any obligations to noncitizens, other than to treat them with basic human decency (i.e. don't inflict gratuitous suffering upon them). Development aid is only good insofar as it advances our national security interests.



"Eww. Identity politics is poison. I will never vote for any politician who buys into it."

Why? 
Because it has no basis in reality. I see no evidence for the notion that racism, sexism, or other forms of oppression are widespread within American society. It's all just empty victimhood mongering. All it does is breed a delusional sense of resentment among women and racial minorities. It's a massive disservice to them and to society as a whole.
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An Open letter to the MOD team and DART
As for the substance of the thread, this site's moderation team continues to be a joke -- a bunch of pathetic control freaks who have nothing going for them in real life, venting their frustrations by abusing the power they've been granted over some obscure debate site. 
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@RationalMadman
I don't care. I accept a free will debate against soacetime who defines it in an unloseable, completely wrong way in his description and what do I do? I know that it's unenforceable to truly go by your deacripdesc if it's abusively defined but I say fuck it, this was a noob-trap that I should merely have expose din the comments and on the forums on philosophy, not accepted. I take the L willingly even though I could have made many agree hde defined it weo gly and played as dirty as him.
Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? I've never done anything to you, except treat you with respect and civility. Yet here you are, attacking me out of the blue over literally nothing. Even if you're right about my definitions in that debate being unfair (and btw you've never actually explained why you think so), that doesn't mean I was trying to set up a "noob-trap" or "play dirty." How about you give me some benefit of the doubt?
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@Tejretics
As for my own priorities...

(1) Universal Basic Income. The American economy no longer generates enough good jobs for everyone. That has already been the case for the past few decades, and it's bound to get much worse in the following decades. I genuinely believe that this will cause the downfall of human civilization if left unaddressed. We need to fundamentally rethink the way in which resources are distributed throughout the population.

(2) Immigration Restrictionism. In order to preserve domestic social stability, U.S. immigration levels should be reduced to around 100,000 arrivals per year. Each immigrant should be selected on the basis of their potential for socioeconomic assimilation.

(3) Medicare-for-All. I've studied healthcare policy extensively, and I don't see any other way to ensure universal healthcare access.

(4) Criminal Justice Reform. You're correct in observing that our criminal justice system is a travesty on virtually every level (e.g. police brutality, war on drugs, lack of rehabilitation resources), and I support many of the same reforms as you. But I reject the notion that "institutional racism" is a significant problem within the system. The leftist tendency to racialize this issue is the #1 reason why it hasn't gained more traction.

(5) Rejection of Identity Politics. As I've said, I despise the leftist tendency to view everything as a conflict between various identity groups, making everything about racism, sexism, etc. It's not just delusional. It's socially destructive.

I also agree with you on the importance of preserving the Federal Reserve's independence, but I don't think it's seriously threatened at the moment.

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@Tejretics

(1) I believe that climate change (i.e., global warming) exists, is human-caused, and is a significant threat. Therefore, I strongly support significant climate change mitigation policies, including a significantly higher gas tax, a tax on carbon emissions on all households and corporations (exempting some low-income and lower-middle class households), significant investment in clean energy, and stronger, enforceable international agreements to attempt to limit global land-sea mean temperature increase at 2.5 degrees Celsius at least.
Your proposed taxes are terrible ideas. I agree that we ultimately need clean energy prices to be lower than fossil fuel prices, but I don't see how that leads you to believe that we should be artificially inflating fossil fuel prices. It's not economically sustainable. Instead, invest in clean energy (through subsidization and further research) to bring its prices down below fossil fuel levels. We should also look more seriously into technologies that can directly scrub greenhouse gases out of the atmosphere.


(3) I'm also very pro-immigration -- in particular, I would make it much easier for skilled immigrants to come into developed countries (at least if I'm assessing this exclusively from the perspective of what policies would maximize benefit to those very developed countries). I think unskilled immigrants are also generally an economic good, but that's something I'm much less sure about (due to effects such as lower trust in communities, economic effects like loose labor markets causing wage depression and unemployment for local workers). 
Immigration may be be economically beneficial overall, but I'm an immigration restrictionist purely for sociological reasons. Immigration is clearly damaging to social cohesion, regardless of whether it's "skilled" or "unskilled." For that reason alone, it needs to be kept to a bare minimum. 


(5) I support really strong animal welfare legislation. I believe nonhuman animals have much more moral worth than is accorded to them and the sheer amount of suffering inflicted by factory farming is despicable. I support really tough regulations to protect animal welfare and to reduce meat consumption, including ethical warning labels on meat packaging, potentially sin taxes on some forms of meat, and so on, complemented with significant subsidies for consumers of vegetarian/vegan products. This would reduce net suffering and help combat the effects of climate change and environmental destruction caused by meat consumption. Moreover, I support strong legislation to protect wildlife from human encroachment and devastation. 
It's subjective, so I won't comment on your moral premises, but I'm very amused by the idea that "ethical warning labels" will deter meat consumption.


(6) There are very real threats to democratic structures facing countries like the United States, including voter photo ID laws, limiting the number of voting days, attempting to make voting as hard as possible for low-income and minority individuals, gerrymandering,  and so on. Those are virtually authoritarian threats that need to be countered. Moreover, right-wing populism spreads rhetoric of hatred against minorities and actively blames them for unrelated societal problems and undermines critical democratic institutions such as the judiciary and the press. All of these threats to democracy and democratic values need to be fought in some manner (we could start by electing right-wing populists such as Bolsonaro, Duterte, and Trump out of office; creating independent commissions that control redistricting for elections; etc.). 
Voter suppression is certainly a problem, but the rest of what you said is nonsense. I can't speak for non-U.S. countries, but Trump is not responsible for the recent spike in hate crimes (which has been heavily exaggerated), nor has he done anything to meaningfully "undermine" the judiciary or the press.


On a personal level, though not by the same magnitude on a utilitarian level, I care about social justice issues (e.g., sexual harassment and the #MeToo movement, racist police brutality, racial and gender inequalities in general, affirmative action). However, these don't quite make the cut in terms of sheer importance. 
Eww. Identity politics is poison. I will never vote for any politician who buys into it.
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@Username
My opinion of @spacetime has radically decreased due to this.
Sad!
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#FreeSpaceTime
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@Username
I'm back, bitch.
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Nationalism is racist
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@Mopac
Nationalism isn't racist. It's a thoroughly sensible idea. The alternative is global governance, which is unsustainable because some level of internal cultural homogeneity is essential for political stability.

Imagining racism into existence is just what leftists do nowadays. Pay no heed to it.

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Neither the first nor the last of these are in any way unreasonable; indeed, they are, in terms of the COC, prudent and required, respectively. I would do either of those things again, and will continue to do so.
Both are eminently unreasonable. Your code of conduct is fucking insane. 

The middle action was a mistake which I admitted to.
It's a mistake that reflects very poorly upon your judgment as a moderator.

The hubbub over these is incredible, and is not proportional to what actually transpired.
We're overreacting because you're a faggot.
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Petition to coup bsh1

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@bsh1
I deleted it because it included an offensive slur, but, when Thett reposted it, I figured that it really ought to remain up insofar as it goes to moderation issues. I am on a hair-trigger in terms of those slurs due to the recurring use of them in this thread.

hahahaha. get real. you are on a hair-trigger in terms of everything. you are a bad mod. go fuck yourself.
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@DebateArt.com
It is clear what must be done. Remove bsh1 as moderator.

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"i will be a fair mod and not be overbearing"

1 month later

> u can't say "tranny" guys

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@bsh1
You're incredibly quick at deleting posts, I'll give you that much.
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@bsh1
wtf you fucking dyke stop deleting my posts!!!

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@bsh1
Question: if I'm black, am I allowed to say "nigger" ?
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@bsh1
You are, of course, entitled to that opinion. I shall not, however, be resigning over this incident.
I didn't expect that you would. Doing so would require some semblance of honor.
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@bsh1
The message did and does not constitute moderation action. 
Bullshit. You are a moderator, and you contacted him in your capacity as a moderator. That is a "moderation action."

And regardless of the label we assign to it, contacting him was a stupid idea. There was no reason to say anything to Triangle about his post. You should have left it alone. Unless he gave some indication that he would do something legitimately problematic to a specific person (e.g. doxxing, targeted harassment).

Furthermore, I don't accept your apology for deleting his post. Your deletion proves exactly what I've been saying about you all along -- your instinct is to overreach on the basis of your ideological inclinations, and that disqualifies you as a moderator. You should never have been appointed. Resign.

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@bsh1
fuck off, you idiotic tranny faggot 

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@Casual_Leftist
And your claim about Black tendency is based on statistical relations to cyclical poverty. Being poor doesn't offer many options, even whites get caught in the same thing.
For the hundredth time, I'm not denying the fact that historical oppression has served as a massive socioeconomic setback to the African American community. My only claim here is that present-day racial discrimination isn't a significant problem.


It clearly does when blacks themselves are still saying it's an issue. Colin Kappernick isn't kneeling for nothing.
They're wrong, and yes he is. Perceived victimhood is a powerful drug.


People lie on those things all time to appear better. How can the mid 90's be over 90% pro-same schools when that same period we saw the height of the anti-busing cause? You should see the thing anti-busing parents said at meets. It's on youtube. And clearly given the amount of racism thrown at Obama there's no way in 1997 95% said they approved of a black president. All your survey data shows is a change in open racism. Just as Atwater noted - the culture changes you can't be blatant anymore but the goal remains.
You're making very broad generalizations on the basis of a loud minority. There's no rational reason to assume that hundreds of millions of people are lying in order to hide their secret racial animus. That sort of conspiratorial thinking belongs on Infowars. 


Just because something is partisan doesn't mean it can't be further exacerbated by race.
Again, there's no rational reason to assume that there are any additional hidden factors involved.
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Kavanaugh is Innocent
There isn't enough evidence on either side to determine who's correct. Not with any significant degree of epistemic confidence. 
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@bsh1
Clearly.

What areas do you disagree with the Democrats on? I'm curious.
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@Casual_Leftist
It's a bit of a work around but if you have the income, and the loan (debt) you can see there's a perception of income to debt.
That's not how debt-to-income ratio works. It involves *pre-existing* debt -- debt the loan applicant already had prior to applying for the loan.


As for the importance of credit score there is plenty of research on that which goes to show correlate effect that is clearly a reverberation of the past system of loans which favored whites [2]. 
The study I cited used the following metric to evaluate credit score: "Researchers assigned a rating of “bad” to anyone who had two bills past due by more than 30 days in the past two years, a single bill past due by 90 days or more, a judgment against them, a lien against them or a bankruptcy." There's nothing racially biased about that metric. It's an accurate reflection of how financially responsible a person is, and the reality is that Blacks tend to be less financially responsible than Whites -- regardless of income level.


Even today PoC with good credit scores are saddled with higher rates compared to whites [3]. 
Read the study, man. It's blatantly flawed. Any credit score between 660 and 800 may be officially classified as a "good," but variation within that range makes a huge difference. Look at the data on average credit scores by race. Even though they're all above 660, there are massive disparities between races. Black and Latino credit scores tend to be 30-60 points lower than White credit scores, which explains why they face higher interest rates.




And even if you argue that we should abandon any notions of racism and look at this through a purely economic lens you're just playing into what Mr. Atwater was saying, to take the issues into the abstract knowing ultimately policy crafted in such a way will hurt minorities more than whites.
I haven't said anything about what we ought to do in the realm of policy. That's a separate discussion. Right now we're debating the purely factual question of whether or not racial discrimination is a significant force in modern American society.


You claim to acknowledge the past yet you don't seem to appreciate the economic board was set by white hands with inevitable socio economic consequences.
I do acknowledge the immensely negative effect the slavery and segregation have had on the socioeconomic stature of the African American community. But that doesn't have any bearing on whether or not present-day racial discrimination is widespread.


You seem too eager to dismiss race as a factor despite its prominence in recent history.
I'll admit that I'm heavily biased against the "racism is everywhere" narrative, but that bias is rooted in the empirical evidence:

"One of the most substantial changes in white racial attitudes has been the movement from very substantial opposition to the principle of racial equality to one of almost universal support. For example, in 1942, just 32 percent of whites agreed that whites and blacks should attend the same schools; in 1995, when the question was last asked, 96 percent of whites agreed. In 1944, only 45 percent of whites agreed that blacks should have “as good a chance as white people to get any kind of job,” but by 1972 almost all whites agreed with this statement on equal opportunity (97 percent). Finally, in a question that taps whites’ feelings about a black person holding the highest office in the U.S., Gallup found that in 1958, only 37 percent of whites said they would vote for a black candidate for president; by 1997 that figure was up to 95 percent."

Racist attitudes are confined to a tiny, marginalized segment of the population. That's why we should always look for alternative explanations first before invoking the phantom of "implicit racism." And as I've repeatedly demonstrated throughout this exchange, there's no shortage of those alternatives.




Trump didn't make race a polarizing issue, he capitalized on a pre-existing, one could say historical, disdain. Millions of Americans chose to believe Trump's conspiracies from birtherism "millions of illegals voting" and "Muslims celebrating 9/11" not because it was true but because it's the racist BS they've been feeling should be said aloud.
Perfect example of what I was just talking about. Partisanship fully explains all of those conspiracy theories (along with most of what's wrong with modern politics). Why assume that some sort of secret underlying racism is also involved?
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