Unfortunately not really, I was only really interested in this one because my opponent was annoying me in the forums lol. But I might be interested in debating a topic that is less culture war adjacent
Sorry for responding so quickly but I didn’t anticipate the debate lasting this long (that was my mistake for not reading the rules close enough lol.) I work full time, have a bunch of hobbies, and school is about to start again next week so I wanted to get as much of this debate out of the way as early as possible as my free time is quite limited
"This is a low, my opponent is indeed shotgunning arguments at me; however, as anyone who has debated can note - typically shotgunning arguments is done intentionally - its to distract their opponent and the voters from realizing the independent weakness of the arguments themselves."
Your argument about immigrants creating jobs is the argument I view as most critical. Of course I am going to poke as many holes in it as I can. This is not "a low"
thanks for the vote of confidence but I wouldn't be so sure, theweakeredge is obviously pretty sharp and I am obviously pretty rusty :). I also don't agree I was ever on whiteflames level, I beat him the one time we debated but the topic was super unbalanced, I wouldnt have done nearly as well if the sides were reverse imo
Can you point out where in the debate you attacked my first contention, polygamy is impractical?
The way I saw the debate was I kept pointing out a bunch of ways in which polygamy wouldn’t work in the current system and you kept talking past the policy aspect and skipping straight towards arguing for your ideal society. If you feel that reading of the debate is dishonest than I am sorry you feel that way, and if it is I hope the judges work it out
Who here is in “the clique”, if anything it seems like DDO social status has pretty much been wiped clean, even a lot of the ddo people who came over are now using different account names
Fair enough haha...I find your perspective interesting because you’re basically an outsider (no offense but you were banned for most of the time) who also knows basically everything that happened on DDO
There are a lot of office jobs that pay ~$30k which in a lot of places in the country would make one lower middle class, at best. Not every low paying job is difficult or demanding, and even people who make a good wage can make poor financial choices. Mikal spending a lot of time on DDO isn’t evidence that he faked his financial crisis
I grew up extremely middle class, so I definitely don’t have any idea what it’s like to be poor. I’ve been extremely blessed
And idk man. It just seems thin. Did he even say he was working double shifts (I don’t remember and couldn’t find the thread) What if he was out of work? And I don’t think you’ve ever worked an office job. Lots of office jobs that don’t pay that well nonetheless have tons of down time. Not everyone who is working class or poor is doing back breaking manual labor. It just seems like really thin evidence, I can completely buy that Mikal was strapped for cash and in danger of defaulting on his mortgage or missing rent and getting kicked out while also having a lot of free time
I don’t remember the specifics of the story but you could definitely use DDO that much while working a full time job, especially if that job had a lot of down time. It just seems like really thin evidence and I don’t like how you assert it as fact. You’re always talking about how people on ddo mistreated you, but aren’t you mistreating Mikal by saying he’s a scammer who should be in jail with no evidence?
But Mikal not telling everyone his entire life story and Imabench being mean to you months later isn’t proof that the entire thing was a sham. And I’m not going to say what he does but it’s extremely unlikely that bluesteel would need to scam DDO out of 600 bucks or so. He probably makes that in a few days
So about the debate, are you cool with me attacking your case in R1? Or we can make the first round for acceptance only as three rounds of debate is usually enough. Just let me know
Hey RM, what structure do you prefer for this debate? I was planning on using my first round to make my case and then attack yours, but I want to make sure you’re okay with it
Interesting, I had mostly forgotten about that incident until you brought it up. Debatability and I were really close at that time so our fake fight had to be really vicious for people to believe it. Most people seemed to find it funny or just stupid after it was revealed to be fake
Hey now, you can’t fairly review it if you haven’t read the entire book, especially ddo Burger King which is legendary
Other than the part with you in it, what do you think was the worst part?
And that’s interesting (re: debatability), no one ever mentioned to me that it bothered them. I think if I lost friends on DDO it was for being really obnoxious about my support of Trump more than anything
I may take you up on this, although it couldn’t be until next month. My time these days is super limited. I will try to vote on this debate if I can
Unfortunately not really, I was only really interested in this one because my opponent was annoying me in the forums lol. But I might be interested in debating a topic that is less culture war adjacent
If you want to debate this again when your schedule gets better let me know. Although I want my beloved 10k character limit!
Sorry for responding so quickly but I didn’t anticipate the debate lasting this long (that was my mistake for not reading the rules close enough lol.) I work full time, have a bunch of hobbies, and school is about to start again next week so I wanted to get as much of this debate out of the way as early as possible as my free time is quite limited
"This is a low, my opponent is indeed shotgunning arguments at me; however, as anyone who has debated can note - typically shotgunning arguments is done intentionally - its to distract their opponent and the voters from realizing the independent weakness of the arguments themselves."
Your argument about immigrants creating jobs is the argument I view as most critical. Of course I am going to poke as many holes in it as I can. This is not "a low"
please vote when its over
thanks for the vote of confidence but I wouldn't be so sure, theweakeredge is obviously pretty sharp and I am obviously pretty rusty :). I also don't agree I was ever on whiteflames level, I beat him the one time we debated but the topic was super unbalanced, I wouldnt have done nearly as well if the sides were reverse imo
Thanks, please vote when it’s all over!
I agree with spacetime, I will try to vote if I have time, but his vote seemed perfectly legitimate
Haha y-yeah it’s a good joke...just a joke
You aren’t the first (or last) woman to be very disappointed with me
it’s the fingernail painting one that for some reason is often used in mean tweets
You’ve got a lot to learn about this town sweetie 💅🏻💅🏻💅🏻
Yikes
go ahead, i have a very thicc skin
he voted you up using the exact reasoning you would've used
Can you point out where in the debate you attacked my first contention, polygamy is impractical?
The way I saw the debate was I kept pointing out a bunch of ways in which polygamy wouldn’t work in the current system and you kept talking past the policy aspect and skipping straight towards arguing for your ideal society. If you feel that reading of the debate is dishonest than I am sorry you feel that way, and if it is I hope the judges work it out
“Legalised” in this debate refers to legal status and recognition, see my framework
thank you
man i had "retired" from ddo debating before i started working full time, this is kinda tough to make the time. different world than "shit posting"
@RM i'm gonna write my round tonight and post it tomorrow so you'll have maximum time to respond when your ban expires
Well, no one could deny that you have a very diverse taste in music
You are an intelligent, fabulous, stylish, exotic gem among thousands of rocks
Who is spacetime from ddo?
do you know who REF was on DDO?
Who here is in “the clique”, if anything it seems like DDO social status has pretty much been wiped clean, even a lot of the ddo people who came over are now using different account names
Fair enough haha...I find your perspective interesting because you’re basically an outsider (no offense but you were banned for most of the time) who also knows basically everything that happened on DDO
What do you think about me as a debater?
I think before that I’ll focus on researching polygamy for our debate haha
There are a lot of office jobs that pay ~$30k which in a lot of places in the country would make one lower middle class, at best. Not every low paying job is difficult or demanding, and even people who make a good wage can make poor financial choices. Mikal spending a lot of time on DDO isn’t evidence that he faked his financial crisis
I grew up extremely middle class, so I definitely don’t have any idea what it’s like to be poor. I’ve been extremely blessed
And idk man. It just seems thin. Did he even say he was working double shifts (I don’t remember and couldn’t find the thread) What if he was out of work? And I don’t think you’ve ever worked an office job. Lots of office jobs that don’t pay that well nonetheless have tons of down time. Not everyone who is working class or poor is doing back breaking manual labor. It just seems like really thin evidence, I can completely buy that Mikal was strapped for cash and in danger of defaulting on his mortgage or missing rent and getting kicked out while also having a lot of free time
I don’t remember the specifics of the story but you could definitely use DDO that much while working a full time job, especially if that job had a lot of down time. It just seems like really thin evidence and I don’t like how you assert it as fact. You’re always talking about how people on ddo mistreated you, but aren’t you mistreating Mikal by saying he’s a scammer who should be in jail with no evidence?
But Mikal not telling everyone his entire life story and Imabench being mean to you months later isn’t proof that the entire thing was a sham. And I’m not going to say what he does but it’s extremely unlikely that bluesteel would need to scam DDO out of 600 bucks or so. He probably makes that in a few days
So about the debate, are you cool with me attacking your case in R1? Or we can make the first round for acceptance only as three rounds of debate is usually enough. Just let me know
B is obviously Imabench
Hey RM, what structure do you prefer for this debate? I was planning on using my first round to make my case and then attack yours, but I want to make sure you’re okay with it
O fck me, 30k characters per argument lol. This is gonna be brutal
Was the Mikal thing actually a fraud btw? What makes you so sure? Bc I never saw any evidence of that
Interesting, I had mostly forgotten about that incident until you brought it up. Debatability and I were really close at that time so our fake fight had to be really vicious for people to believe it. Most people seemed to find it funny or just stupid after it was revealed to be fake
Hey now, you can’t fairly review it if you haven’t read the entire book, especially ddo Burger King which is legendary
Other than the part with you in it, what do you think was the worst part?
And that’s interesting (re: debatability), no one ever mentioned to me that it bothered them. I think if I lost friends on DDO it was for being really obnoxious about my support of Trump more than anything
Actually you’re right, I 100% should have given Mikal part of the credit for ddo high school since we both wrote parts of it, I simply forgot
Did you read the entire “book”? I’m honestly interested in your full opinion. I would ask you to PM me but you’ve blocked me so I can’t
Also when do you think your arguments will be ready?
I have no intention of abusing you or this debate, this is a good topic and I’m looking forward to it
Thanks for making the debate, I’ve been thinking about this topic a lot and am excited
“I am not whiteflame. Whiteflame has is own account on this site and on DDO, and is not a member of DART's moderation team.”
He’s lying. He sent me this via PM immediately upon joining the site
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