i do not want to mention your name at all, it is going to be blasphemy. i even do not want to chat with you because you are mocking Allah. but there is going to be punishment for it if i call for it. this has been the case on DDO as well.
even atheist were called me magician then lol
when i curse someone they call me magician and they even do not believe in magic.
it was funny
its like funny moment, when we shared some food or touched the tip of lips to, how can i explain the gesture. its its taken as funny gesture. when you are in mood of teasing each other with kids. though i stopped doing it when my child was 1 and half as i get to know that its harmful because of germs. but its possible. we do not put our children in crib on another room. they sleeps with us and we awake for at least 5 years for them. almost 5 times my kid let me awake in night, sometime for toilet sometime water sometime feeling itching, like that. its full time duty. just like right now she is plucking my my beard so hard so that i can listen her nasheed. my kid is more attached to me then her mother. we are so much possessive for them. and always keep eyes on them. I know its very different in west. even she now 3 and half still i feed her with my own hands. simply its all about minds. our minds are not dirty. its proven here that western minds are very much twisted.
its like funny moment, when we shared some food or touched the tip of lips to, how can i explain the gesture. its its taken as funny gesture. when you are in mood of teasing each other with kids. though i stopped doing it when my child was 1 and half as i get to know that its harmful because of germs. but its possible. we do not put our children in crib on another room. they sleeps with us and we awake for at least 5 years for them. almost 5 times my kid let me awake in night, sometime for toilet sometime water sometime feeling itching, like that. its full time duty. just like right now she is plucking my my beard so hard so that i can listen her nasheed. my kid is more attached to me then her mother. we are so much possessive for them. and always keep eyes on them. I know its very different in west. even she now 3 and half still i feed her with my own hands. simply its all about minds. our minds are not dirty. its proven here that western minds are very much twisted.
Dr. Charlotte Reznick, a child psychologist at UCLA, stirred controversy by saying lip-kissing could be confusing for children. However, many psychologists disagreed with her.
Dr. Paul Hokemeyer, a family therapist, said:
"In the vast majority of cases, it's a healthy expression of love."
According to an article published in Psychology Today, physical affection like kissing, hugging, and cuddling builds emotional security and attachment in children. The exact form (cheek, lip, forehead) is secondary to the emotional intent and cultural context.
đč 3. Surveys & Forums:
Parenting forums like Mumsnet, Reddit, and BabyCenter show that many Western parents say:
âI kiss my kids on the lips. Itâs completely normal in our family.â
A 2015 poll in the UK (via YouGov) found that **around
You said:
give me links
ChatGPT said:
Here are several reputable articles and sources that discuss whether Western parents kiss their children on the lipsâand explore the debates around this practice:
đ 1. News Coverage & Personal Experiences
Parents.com (April 2025) â âI Kiss My Daughter on the Lips RegularlyâBut Is That âWeirdâ?" A Reddit-fueled discussion. Many parents sharing photos validated lip-kissing, while othersâincluding abuse survivorsâsaid they'd avoid it. Cultural context was seen as key. The article concludes that parents should follow their values and not judge others.
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Glamour (2017) â Olivia Wilde was criticized online after posting herself kissing her son on the lips, similar to Hilary Duff facing backlash. These incidents highlight how Western celebs sometimes spark debate even when acting within their family culture.
Glamour
đ§ 2. Health & Psychology Perspectives
Parents Canada â Affirms that in many Western families itâs a platonic, non-sexual gesture. Dr. Alan Manevitz notes that intimacy (hugging, tickling, kissing) has positive developmental effects. Ultimately it comes down to cultural and family norms.
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Neurolaunch (Sept 2024) â Discusses cultural differences and psychological implications. Points out many psychologists believe affectionate gestures build attachment, while some (like Dr. Charlotte Reznick) caution it could blur boundary distinctions.
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ScienceTimes â Highlights that physical affectionâincluding lip kissesâcan boost emotional bonding and self-esteem in children. But experts also warn it should be coupled with clear boundaries and sensitivity to the childâs comfort level.
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đ 3. Cultural Examples & Celebrity Cases
Global News / Today â Reports on David Beckham posting photos kissing his daughter Harper on the lips, which drew both praise and criticism. Parenting experts note such behavior reflects cultural upbringing and family norms.
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Little Remedies / People/Yahoo lifestyle sections â Feature numerous celebrities (Hilary Duff, Victoria Beckham, David Beckham, Jessica Alba) who unapologetically kiss their children on the lipsâdespite public backlash. Many have defended the practice as perfectly natural and loving.
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đ 4. Public Opinion & Forum Discussions
Reddit threads (e.g. /r/TrueUnpopularOpinion) â Although some users strongly object to lip-kissing their children (citing concerns over association with romantic context and health risks), the majority argue itâs a harmless and affectionate gestureâand that objections are often projecting adult connotations onto innocent behavior.
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â Summary Table
Claim Evidence/Sources
Many Western parents kiss children on the lips Parenting stories and surveys in Parents.com, Parents Canada
Celebrities practice it and defend it publicly Multiple press reports on Beckham, Duff, Wilde, etc.
Psychological support existsâbut with caveats Experts highlight benefits for bonding, but stress boundaries and child comfort.
Debate reflects cultural norms and personal preferences Articles and forums show strong division based on upbringing and values.
đ§ Final Thoughts
Yesâthere is solid evidence from news articles, psychological experts, personal anecdotes, and public discourse that many Western parentsâincluding high-profile figuresâdo kiss their children on the lips. Commonly, it's viewed as a non-sexual, affectionate gesture within the private family setting. However, opinions differ widely: some experts and commenters warn about potential boundary confusion or cultural discomfort, while others see no harm when done sensitively and age-appropriately.
Ultimately, it remains a personal and cultural choiceâacceptable and meaningful for some families, uncomfortable or inappropriate for others.
David Beckham (UK) has shared photos kissing his daughter on the lips. This sparked public debate, but he defended it as a normal loving act.
Tom Brady (USA), an American football quarterback, also kissed his son on the lips in a documentary, which sparked online discussion, again showing how normal it is in many families.
Celebrities like Hilary Duff, Jessica Alba, and Victoria Beckham have also shared similar moments, receiving both support and criticism.
These examples reflect what many families do, but also show it's not universally acceptedâeven in the West.
chatgpt response.
Yes, many Western people do kiss their children on the lips as a way of showing affection, especially when the children are young. It is considered normal and innocent in many families, particularly in countries like the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, and parts of Europe.
However:
It varies by culture, family tradition, and personal comfort.
As kids grow older, most families naturally stop lip-kissing and shift to hugs, forehead kisses, or cheek kisses.
Some people, even in the West, find it inappropriate and prefer other ways to show love, like cuddling or saying "I love you."
So itâs not universal, but very common and usually not seen as sexual or inappropriateâjust a tender, loving gesture from parent to child.
because you got herpes probably that's why or because do oral sex maybe that is why and also lick dogs. we keep our mouth clean and it helps develop their immune system with normal food related bacteria.
you are fucked up man, I have seen myself even western people kissing kids on lips. your brains are so fucked up that even you have disgusting feelings while kissing your own children?
while I have never felt that way for any child no matter what.
that is why child abuser and sexual assault are most in western countries. you think I am dumb? if you dare debate with me about this topic or any topic. your brain already fucked and not even single plausible argument comes out from you. I am just wasting my time and efforts. you are not only piece of shit but also disgusting man. you never come up with evidence.
its just my last reply to you just like i was ignoring your other account brotherDthomson.
one more thing which I forget, Hassan (RA) was the grandson of prophet Muhammad saw. I have a kid too whom I kiss on lips and sometime we play where we touch each others tongue too. Its parents children bond.
If you did not see this in your childhood then you have lived in retarded shit environment.
This is normal for parents to show love for their children.
you deserve only licking of dogs, their favorite food is poop.
but we have kids to whom we love and cherish.
if you had sound mind you would have dig into the matter. But a retard brain only think negative about anything.
on DDO he sent me message to vote for his presidency election for that site which i saw in my old mails in 2018 i guess.
i do not know what hit his head.
hahahaha, dig the history and see from where you learnt this? drinkers with pigs.
check from where you got it?
check how you got it?
check you are good at deceiving and stealing nothing else.
that way anyone can attain empires and wealth.
i think you are brotherDthomson.
people like you are burning by your own rage, you need some therapy.
If you do not back down, then be ready for punishment. what is your purpose on earth? I pray to Allah to take you away if there is no chance for you but if their is little hope then give you hadaya ameen.
this is my last message for you.
you are cursed.
I believe in the right to speak dangerously.
Not to provoke for ego â but to carve truth from noise.
When the censors tighten their grip, the only answer is to build.
I'm helping forge something new â a sovereign platform where speech is free, minds are sharp, and censorship is not a threat but a weakness.
Itâs called The Arena.
Itâs in development now â a place where debates are unfiltered, contributions are anonymous, and only strength of argument determines your worth.
If you're a:
Developer who wants to contribute without doxxing yourself
Thinker tired of being muzzled
Or someone whoâs ready to help build a free speech machine
We speak loudest when they hope we go silent.
And weâre just getting started.
this retard dog mentioned this in his profile.
I'm helping forge something new â a sovereign platform where speech is free, minds are sharp, and censorship is not a threat but a weakness.
and, if I would have little time, I would have given vote to savant and you could not do anything about it.
TBH for me he won it, but I am very lazy and I deep dive into everything and leave no room for any accusation for any one, so it was enough for me to vote while reading even 60 to 80 percent of debate and analyzing it not completely.
you piece of garbage shut up and mind your own business, I do not have any time for the person whom value is nothing more then a piece of shit.
conservatism is childish and feminine for your societies in fact it has become norms of people of this time. your brains are so rotten even getting little emotional feels like feminine. that is why you retard support israel for killing little babies. you are simple a piece of shit on face of earth.
if I become toxic then you complain when i become emotional and respectful you call it feminine? by the way everybody has his feminine % in it, can you tell me what is purpose of nipples on your chest? and why men has prolactin? in fact their is time in womb of mother you cannot determine your gender. tell me why men has progesterone?
men has male hormones and female has male hormones, we are born from mothers. kids has feminine voice when they are children and they cry like girls. but you will find strange those times for me were absent or very short because i was precocious puberty. your women wear geans and men too, they wear shorts and men too. we have a lot of things common two legs two arms one nose and two eyes even women have short hairs and men long. so only difference is two reproductive organs. we are not much different that is why we are same specie.
you guys have retarded brains and have complex.
in fact its more of misogynistic, because you make it sound like having emotions is not manly things and its something of low value thing. if that is so then why you are pissed when women left you? why you feel like lost dogs and even commit suicide when dumped by women? is it the extreme level of famine attribute where you could not digest it? I have faced it and faced it like man. the way you are provoking me is more feminine and more of childish. I am a father and i lost my two kids because of miscarriage of my wife so i can understand when a wanted pregnancy is that much painful then if people abort it by themselves its strange. but how can a retard understand it who back fcking zionist who killed thousands of kids in gaza. you are indeed a piece of shit on face of earth.
now fck off retard.
Core Principle: An action is morally impermissible only if it violates the moral entitlements of a person or leads to morally unacceptable consequences.
Personhood: Defined strictly based on "non-trivial interest" (sentience), either present or past. Argued that a fetus, particularly in the early stages (before 13 weeks, when 93% of abortions occur), does not meet this criterion and therefore is not a "person" with moral entitlements.
Consequences: Asserted that abortion does not have morally unacceptable consequences, as it's a voluntary choice for the mother (who typically doesn't regret it), and legal abortion is associated with positive societal indicators like higher GDP.
Legality vs. Morality: Distinguished between the act of abortion itself and the harmful consequences of making it illegal (e.g., increased maternal mortality from unsafe procedures).
conclusion:
If this would have been my debate I could add more, TBH three rounds are way too short for this kind of debate. If it would have been five round savant would have done even more.
As I am inclined toward the pro's stance so I just given suggestion, what would have good for me to make better decision. My nature is I do not give vote against my moral values.
So its better to give Tie then unjust vote.
while TBH it would not be unjust vote if I could put more time in the debate there was good room to vote against bones.
But at this point I think it would be unreasonable to vote against him. Also it was more of emotional appeal from savant side even he had invested very good arguments.
overall it was very hard debate for debating as well as voting.
It would have been even more solid from bones if he would have not presented robot and doll and also zombie analogy.
A fetus is a human being and end up as human being neither a robot nor a zombie.
If you have disable child it does not mean he is entitles to less personhood.
Parents abort most of time economical issues and pregnancy become unwanted when they are enjoying sex for their bodily pleasure and end up being pregnant. They say they are not ready, and it was a mistake.
there is a lot I can say about debate. but as its a tie so I think its enough.
A good debate.
savant:
Duty: Posited a moral duty to save and support the fetus, especially since dependency is created through consensual acts.
Bones:
Mother has right to abort and most of them do not feel regret.
Suggestion:
I have see the sources and it says after 5 years, I think any murderer would feel at ease after 5 years. How much a guilt can be measure sometimes people even themselves are not aware of it yet they subconsciously feeling it. That is because of norms of society and even articles mentioned that sometime people feel it more because of society.
so this criteria is not good to judge and declare that they are relieved from their duty to up bring the unwanted pregnancy while they morn when a wanted pregnancy is aborted because of inevitable consequences. We have seen cases where parent wanted to abort but they cannot whether the pregnancy is late or because of some other reason, later when their children know about that they feel very much hurt and sad that their parents wanted to kill them. So if a person already have a child he or she will feel more regretful when aborting. While a young one who has their first child may not feel that much its very much subjective.
Savant:
Societal Impact: Claimed abortion has negative societal consequences, such as reducing GDP and shrinking the labor force.
Bones:
No Violation of Rights most women do it with consent and have no regret.
GDP Argument Presupposes Personhood.
Correlation vs. Causation
Harm from Illegality, Not Abortion Itself
suggestion:
I already discussed that, the study shows the regret after 5 years, its natural a person would move on in life for any kind of bad action after that long.
This is universal truth that every person is born through this way, so its not supposition that a fetus will not become a person. A fetus is a person while at microscopic level and size should not matter here. Its same argument a small child has no rights as compare to adult person. Its scientific fact that every fetus no matter at what will end up as grown up human being if there is anomalies or sickness and pregnancy goes smoothly. Aborting a pregnancy is aborting a process which produce human. On the other hand its totally unnatural, no animal has this tendency its Human invented procedure which use cutting of limbs of babies if the gestation is older.
We can see china and japan are at crisis and soon will face it even more dramatically, because young are very less compare to retired. It look like its helping economy for one or two generation but eventually its can lead to disasters to societies. Ask bestkorea about it, I have seen whining him about it. LOL.
No matter what you say abortion causes medical issues and pain to even mother, they may induce anesthesia at the time of procedure but when the effects goes away there is some pain later. abortion during early pregnancy are induced by medication, and they are very harmful to women. Even prevention pills are harmful.
whether legal or illegal both involves spending money, while natural birth cost nothing and a child, if grow up put some value to economy and its up to society to utilize it.
It was good option in DDO that you say I agree before the debate or I agree after debate.
here I agree with Pro before and after the debate.
This debate is very hard to vote for each side.
Savant:
Core Principle: Introduced the "Uncertainty Principle," arguing that even a small chance (e.g., 2%) of an unborn child being a rights-bearing person makes abortion immoral due to the immense potential harm (loss of an entire life) compared to the burden of pregnancy.
Bones:
Bones stated that 93% of abortions occur before 13 weeks gestation, which gives 7% more then 2% from even his side to be able to feel sentience. Which was his criteria to make a baby person.
Suggestion:
It would have been good argument from savant that, a sperm is living organism, but being microscopic it would not be consider as a person because no matter what it will remain that way while a fertilized egg which is effort and consent of two individual mother and father through sacred act of sexual intercourse and always end up as a human child should be considered a human life even being at the stage of microscopic level. For example a person who inject a deadly virus into someone even being microscopic organism is crime and punishable. So the depth of consequences which is universal truth that a egg is fertilized by sperm end up as a human child and then a human being should be considered as human being no matter at what level. One could not say a one year child do not have equal rights as compare to 50 year old especially the right to live.
savant:
Harm: Argued that abortion constitutes direct harm by "impeding existing bodily functions" and depriving a potential person of future conscious experiences and "life years."
Bones:
Bones stated that in 93% cases abortion is done before 13 week of gestation and at this stage fetus is not sentience.
Suggestion:
There are people in the world who do not feel pain, we can go and kill them? If a person is under anesthesia, we can kill them too?
the basis is not very good to justify abortion.
This debate would destroy many of my neuro cells to vote lol.
I wish I had time and relaxation to deep dive into and read at full.
Sorry guys could not vote.
Saudi, is more liberal now then even many of western countries. They are making dajjal's headquarter names as neon city. Why complaining now?
Tell me one thing how a woman is free if she shows her face and not free if she hides? A woman is free if she can choose what they wants, whether it's showing her face or hiding her face.
its titles of Tipu sultan. and shair sha suri. both big warrior and its same like richard the lion heart.
once when tipu sultan was betrayed by his two of ministers and he was about to loose war, some asked him to flee and save his life. but what he said the life of a day of tiger is better then the life of a 100 years of jackel.
that is why he was called TigerLord.
sheer shah.
When I was kid I saw the drama about his story. he was called tiger of bingal and tigerlord. so i made mind to use his title for my games characters and also some other platforms.
I do not know what is inspirational from resident evil and what is inspiration from umbrellacorp, other then being corrupt and cause of killing of so many people depicted in movie.
I know buddy, but using a name from movie which is umbrella is childish so I was kind of making fun. Get out of fantasies and see the realities.
My debate was Islam Vs anything.
So I did not know whether I would have Christian or atheist .
So I put rules for everyone.
When I say I am preacher more then of debater, it means my debates are more lengthy and has preaching elements.
I am not foolish to have debates in months and let it ruin by vote bomb.will loose all the purpose of debate.
Do you think if you are a preacher then you are a dumb?
You let go unjust votes? What kind of analogy is that.
About your other questions.
Obviously when a Christian is debating a muslim then both are going to debate on the bases of their religion. For my side obviously I must present what I got. How could you presume Islam to be false even the debate has not started and unless this is the topic of the debate. And if what Islam presents has flaws you just point it out or debate about it.
I think that much is common sense.
If someone claim something to be true it's true for him unless someone proves it's false.
It's again common sense.
If you think you have something substantial then let's have debate about your faith or lack of faith. I can have a formal debate with you.
No problem at all
My next debate would be with atheist. These Christian do not have any substance.
A religion which claims 1+1+1=1
Lol
Troll
What I said in debate I fulfilled.
Kido quit your whining, I am debating since 2012. You have a childish brain. If you cannot read debate then just fck off also when you loose then you do this bull shit strategy calling someone terrorist. I have ideology that any Muslim can only defensive jihad. No Muslim is allowed to attack anyone.
@umberalla girl
You care fully read the debate at least.
When Does the Burden Shift?
Once the claim-maker gives a reasoned argument, then the burden shifts to the opponent to refute those points.
your argument is by default wrong, because both have same picture. but if it would have been a formal and serious debate then probably my analogy works as well. Also no arguments were made as well.
keep in mind I have smart brain and most of time when it thinks in a way I find it correct later on. I can get away with a lot of claims because of that.
But a just and wise person also corrects itself if he is on mistake.
TBH, here above analogy could not be applied and you loose automatically but my analogy still stand for many of debates.
If you want I can give vote to con?
do you want me to give you fair vote while its troll debate? if you do troll debates then you will have troll votes LOL.
if you want i can give it to Con. as I said before its troll debate why care. I gave something in RFD, this is mostly the norms here who give unjust votes. how it feels? ;)
When, a guy accepts a challenge, then burden is shared. One is channeling and other is accepting it. I have given a logic for my point. There is an argument and you said nothing about it. Why care for a troll debate though. But what I said has something big behind it and is applicable on all kinds of debate. Resolution itself is big argument. And both parties either support it or refute it. I did not see any refutal at all. And you will not find a vote which goes against my believe. It's impossible. And I never give biased vote. If is see a Muslim is loosing I just do not vote. And there sre many debates some Muslim asked me to vote but i did not. When is see there is chance a Muslim is winning then I do vote. Or mostly vote for topics which are not related to our believes and mostly FF.
you can see it's just balancing the vote. And I gave something for it.
Any ways I am more of preacher then debater. I feel good for everyone whether Christian or atheist. May Allah guide us all ameen
Some guy suggested me to debate Mall, but I did not know that he is driller of brain. Tbh this debate was total loss of time. I could not believe someone could troll a debate like that.
I really wanted to debate Atheist. But it seems they are defensive toward me this time which was on DDO. Christianity has no substance. Although now I know more and more about it and can disprove it more and more.
One achievement I got in the debate was to control my behavior and bear the insult of other person. Empty utensils makes noise. though I was not empty that is why I should have not made noise.
I hope fishChaser is better debater.
you say
"Christianity is an adulterated view of the Bible" LOL
you kinda call it rape of bible lol
you have weak memory bro.
i am not whining.
but i do not want to debate about stupid topics which just waste time.
you see i dedicate my time to one debate at a time and it could take months.
I do not do like you who jerk around and do trolling all over the place.
you are a child.
you framed the whole debate, it looses the scope and also waste my time around stupid issues which get you no where.
that is why i do not want to debate with you again. because i do not want to debate with trolls who do not debate with me on my resolution.
you are the one who run like a coward from my resolution that bible is corrupt and has 500k variations.
I tackled both resolution.
you simply fck the brain with stupid fantasized arguments.
I am sorry i am not for that, even you call it cowardliness or whatever. I do not want drill of my brain for worthless debates. i will indeed block you because it do not want to fck around here any more.
i mostly wanted to debate with athiest here and chrsitanity has nothing left to debate with me your basses are hollow your fountain is fake and corrupted and weak. i am polite toward christains otherwise this religion is almost obsolete just like hinduism. their idols and polytheism in it and a lot more like even magic.
"I asked my opponent to talk about the Bible, why because the whole Christianity is based on bible which is holy scripture of the Christian, its credibility is vital to prove."
This is incorrect. This is a lie perhaps the opposing side was told. Christianity is not based on the bible.
You can learn more going to website address:
https://youtube.com/@j.talkstothepeopleradio6008
Title of the video, very recent video, was Christianity invented by God?
It was failed to be proven that Christianity is out of the scriptures. Christianity is based on man whom invented the sect using corrupted or water down tenets of the scripture, sometimes writing off any iota of scripture completely depending on who you talk to.
Christianity is an adulterated view of the Bible and that's why you can't find one scripture that says God or Jesus establishing a thing called Christianity.
You don't even find where Jesus said be Christian. It was men in the scripture that starting using the term themselves.
So much the opposing side as demonstrated not speaking on what is known.
yes indeed,
TBH infinity exist, apparently we can know what could be infinite or should be infinite. If we let proving aside and assume the existence of Creator deity to be true and creation already exist not need for that. Than we can assume that a creator should be infinite and creation cannot be. So I would say its impossible to apply empirical formula to know even 1 percent of what actually exist. I am considering created here. Infinity is beyond any measure. So your 5 sense what scope they have even enhanced by supplementary tools and equipment.
Finally I would say our knowledge our prospective should not even be considered in infant level.
I guess you would also agree with it.
Also, you can see here in this debate we are talking about consciousnesses and unconsciousness. Science can not touch these aspect of reality now or ever. Effect of those realm causing physical changed in brain are after all effects not the thing itself. Which my opponent made basis of his argument while everyone here ignored my rebuttal against it.
Its bit disappointing.
He is over smart, nothing else.
And lucy, I know all those things all along, I am doing debate since 2012. And I have seen a lot on DDO and now this DART.
I am out of here.
i do not want to mention your name at all, it is going to be blasphemy. i even do not want to chat with you because you are mocking Allah. but there is going to be punishment for it if i call for it. this has been the case on DDO as well.
even atheist were called me magician then lol
when i curse someone they call me magician and they even do not believe in magic.
it was funny
its like funny moment, when we shared some food or touched the tip of lips to, how can i explain the gesture. its its taken as funny gesture. when you are in mood of teasing each other with kids. though i stopped doing it when my child was 1 and half as i get to know that its harmful because of germs. but its possible. we do not put our children in crib on another room. they sleeps with us and we awake for at least 5 years for them. almost 5 times my kid let me awake in night, sometime for toilet sometime water sometime feeling itching, like that. its full time duty. just like right now she is plucking my my beard so hard so that i can listen her nasheed. my kid is more attached to me then her mother. we are so much possessive for them. and always keep eyes on them. I know its very different in west. even she now 3 and half still i feed her with my own hands. simply its all about minds. our minds are not dirty. its proven here that western minds are very much twisted.
its like funny moment, when we shared some food or touched the tip of lips to, how can i explain the gesture. its its taken as funny gesture. when you are in mood of teasing each other with kids. though i stopped doing it when my child was 1 and half as i get to know that its harmful because of germs. but its possible. we do not put our children in crib on another room. they sleeps with us and we awake for at least 5 years for them. almost 5 times my kid let me awake in night, sometime for toilet sometime water sometime feeling itching, like that. its full time duty. just like right now she is plucking my my beard so hard so that i can listen her nasheed. my kid is more attached to me then her mother. we are so much possessive for them. and always keep eyes on them. I know its very different in west. even she now 3 and half still i feed her with my own hands. simply its all about minds. our minds are not dirty. its proven here that western minds are very much twisted.
https://www.parents.com/i-kiss-my-daughter-on-the-lips-regularly-but-is-that-weird-parents-are-divided-11721254?utm_source=chatgpt.com
2. Psychological and Parenting Research:
Dr. Charlotte Reznick, a child psychologist at UCLA, stirred controversy by saying lip-kissing could be confusing for children. However, many psychologists disagreed with her.
Dr. Paul Hokemeyer, a family therapist, said:
"In the vast majority of cases, it's a healthy expression of love."
According to an article published in Psychology Today, physical affection like kissing, hugging, and cuddling builds emotional security and attachment in children. The exact form (cheek, lip, forehead) is secondary to the emotional intent and cultural context.
đč 3. Surveys & Forums:
Parenting forums like Mumsnet, Reddit, and BabyCenter show that many Western parents say:
âI kiss my kids on the lips. Itâs completely normal in our family.â
A 2015 poll in the UK (via YouGov) found that **around
You said:
give me links
ChatGPT said:
Here are several reputable articles and sources that discuss whether Western parents kiss their children on the lipsâand explore the debates around this practice:
đ 1. News Coverage & Personal Experiences
Parents.com (April 2025) â âI Kiss My Daughter on the Lips RegularlyâBut Is That âWeirdâ?" A Reddit-fueled discussion. Many parents sharing photos validated lip-kissing, while othersâincluding abuse survivorsâsaid they'd avoid it. Cultural context was seen as key. The article concludes that parents should follow their values and not judge others.
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Glamour (2017) â Olivia Wilde was criticized online after posting herself kissing her son on the lips, similar to Hilary Duff facing backlash. These incidents highlight how Western celebs sometimes spark debate even when acting within their family culture.
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đ§ 2. Health & Psychology Perspectives
Parents Canada â Affirms that in many Western families itâs a platonic, non-sexual gesture. Dr. Alan Manevitz notes that intimacy (hugging, tickling, kissing) has positive developmental effects. Ultimately it comes down to cultural and family norms.
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Neurolaunch (Sept 2024) â Discusses cultural differences and psychological implications. Points out many psychologists believe affectionate gestures build attachment, while some (like Dr. Charlotte Reznick) caution it could blur boundary distinctions.
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ScienceTimes â Highlights that physical affectionâincluding lip kissesâcan boost emotional bonding and self-esteem in children. But experts also warn it should be coupled with clear boundaries and sensitivity to the childâs comfort level.
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đ 3. Cultural Examples & Celebrity Cases
Global News / Today â Reports on David Beckham posting photos kissing his daughter Harper on the lips, which drew both praise and criticism. Parenting experts note such behavior reflects cultural upbringing and family norms.
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Little Remedies / People/Yahoo lifestyle sections â Feature numerous celebrities (Hilary Duff, Victoria Beckham, David Beckham, Jessica Alba) who unapologetically kiss their children on the lipsâdespite public backlash. Many have defended the practice as perfectly natural and loving.
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đ 4. Public Opinion & Forum Discussions
Reddit threads (e.g. /r/TrueUnpopularOpinion) â Although some users strongly object to lip-kissing their children (citing concerns over association with romantic context and health risks), the majority argue itâs a harmless and affectionate gestureâand that objections are often projecting adult connotations onto innocent behavior.
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â Summary Table
Claim Evidence/Sources
Many Western parents kiss children on the lips Parenting stories and surveys in Parents.com, Parents Canada
Celebrities practice it and defend it publicly Multiple press reports on Beckham, Duff, Wilde, etc.
Psychological support existsâbut with caveats Experts highlight benefits for bonding, but stress boundaries and child comfort.
Debate reflects cultural norms and personal preferences Articles and forums show strong division based on upbringing and values.
đ§ Final Thoughts
Yesâthere is solid evidence from news articles, psychological experts, personal anecdotes, and public discourse that many Western parentsâincluding high-profile figuresâdo kiss their children on the lips. Commonly, it's viewed as a non-sexual, affectionate gesture within the private family setting. However, opinions differ widely: some experts and commenters warn about potential boundary confusion or cultural discomfort, while others see no harm when done sensitively and age-appropriately.
Ultimately, it remains a personal and cultural choiceâacceptable and meaningful for some families, uncomfortable or inappropriate for others.
1. Public Examples (Cultural Evidence):
David Beckham (UK) has shared photos kissing his daughter on the lips. This sparked public debate, but he defended it as a normal loving act.
Tom Brady (USA), an American football quarterback, also kissed his son on the lips in a documentary, which sparked online discussion, again showing how normal it is in many families.
Celebrities like Hilary Duff, Jessica Alba, and Victoria Beckham have also shared similar moments, receiving both support and criticism.
These examples reflect what many families do, but also show it's not universally acceptedâeven in the West.
chatgpt response.
Yes, many Western people do kiss their children on the lips as a way of showing affection, especially when the children are young. It is considered normal and innocent in many families, particularly in countries like the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, and parts of Europe.
However:
It varies by culture, family tradition, and personal comfort.
As kids grow older, most families naturally stop lip-kissing and shift to hugs, forehead kisses, or cheek kisses.
Some people, even in the West, find it inappropriate and prefer other ways to show love, like cuddling or saying "I love you."
So itâs not universal, but very common and usually not seen as sexual or inappropriateâjust a tender, loving gesture from parent to child.
because you got herpes probably that's why or because do oral sex maybe that is why and also lick dogs. we keep our mouth clean and it helps develop their immune system with normal food related bacteria.
you are fucked up man, I have seen myself even western people kissing kids on lips. your brains are so fucked up that even you have disgusting feelings while kissing your own children?
while I have never felt that way for any child no matter what.
that is why child abuser and sexual assault are most in western countries. you think I am dumb? if you dare debate with me about this topic or any topic. your brain already fucked and not even single plausible argument comes out from you. I am just wasting my time and efforts. you are not only piece of shit but also disgusting man. you never come up with evidence.
its just my last reply to you just like i was ignoring your other account brotherDthomson.
one more thing which I forget, Hassan (RA) was the grandson of prophet Muhammad saw. I have a kid too whom I kiss on lips and sometime we play where we touch each others tongue too. Its parents children bond.
If you did not see this in your childhood then you have lived in retarded shit environment.
This is normal for parents to show love for their children.
you deserve only licking of dogs, their favorite food is poop.
but we have kids to whom we love and cherish.
if you had sound mind you would have dig into the matter. But a retard brain only think negative about anything.
on DDO he sent me message to vote for his presidency election for that site which i saw in my old mails in 2018 i guess.
i do not know what hit his head.
hahahaha, dig the history and see from where you learnt this? drinkers with pigs.
check from where you got it?
check how you got it?
check you are good at deceiving and stealing nothing else.
that way anyone can attain empires and wealth.
this retard is so lost that he want me banned lol
garbage piece of shit
i think you are brotherDthomson.
people like you are burning by your own rage, you need some therapy.
If you do not back down, then be ready for punishment. what is your purpose on earth? I pray to Allah to take you away if there is no chance for you but if their is little hope then give you hadaya ameen.
this is my last message for you.
you are cursed.
that is why i said you are lost cause.
look his profile
I believe in the right to speak dangerously.
Not to provoke for ego â but to carve truth from noise.
When the censors tighten their grip, the only answer is to build.
I'm helping forge something new â a sovereign platform where speech is free, minds are sharp, and censorship is not a threat but a weakness.
Itâs called The Arena.
Itâs in development now â a place where debates are unfiltered, contributions are anonymous, and only strength of argument determines your worth.
If you're a:
Developer who wants to contribute without doxxing yourself
Thinker tired of being muzzled
Or someone whoâs ready to help build a free speech machine
We speak loudest when they hope we go silent.
And weâre just getting started.
this retard dog mentioned this in his profile.
I'm helping forge something new â a sovereign platform where speech is free, minds are sharp, and censorship is not a threat but a weakness.
and, if I would have little time, I would have given vote to savant and you could not do anything about it.
TBH for me he won it, but I am very lazy and I deep dive into everything and leave no room for any accusation for any one, so it was enough for me to vote while reading even 60 to 80 percent of debate and analyzing it not completely.
you piece of garbage shut up and mind your own business, I do not have any time for the person whom value is nothing more then a piece of shit.
conservatism is childish and feminine for your societies in fact it has become norms of people of this time. your brains are so rotten even getting little emotional feels like feminine. that is why you retard support israel for killing little babies. you are simple a piece of shit on face of earth.
if I become toxic then you complain when i become emotional and respectful you call it feminine? by the way everybody has his feminine % in it, can you tell me what is purpose of nipples on your chest? and why men has prolactin? in fact their is time in womb of mother you cannot determine your gender. tell me why men has progesterone?
men has male hormones and female has male hormones, we are born from mothers. kids has feminine voice when they are children and they cry like girls. but you will find strange those times for me were absent or very short because i was precocious puberty. your women wear geans and men too, they wear shorts and men too. we have a lot of things common two legs two arms one nose and two eyes even women have short hairs and men long. so only difference is two reproductive organs. we are not much different that is why we are same specie.
you guys have retarded brains and have complex.
in fact its more of misogynistic, because you make it sound like having emotions is not manly things and its something of low value thing. if that is so then why you are pissed when women left you? why you feel like lost dogs and even commit suicide when dumped by women? is it the extreme level of famine attribute where you could not digest it? I have faced it and faced it like man. the way you are provoking me is more feminine and more of childish. I am a father and i lost my two kids because of miscarriage of my wife so i can understand when a wanted pregnancy is that much painful then if people abort it by themselves its strange. but how can a retard understand it who back fcking zionist who killed thousands of kids in gaza. you are indeed a piece of shit on face of earth.
now fck off retard.
you are lost cause.
son grow up.
Bones
Bones ( Con): Abortion is Permissible
Core Principle: An action is morally impermissible only if it violates the moral entitlements of a person or leads to morally unacceptable consequences.
Personhood: Defined strictly based on "non-trivial interest" (sentience), either present or past. Argued that a fetus, particularly in the early stages (before 13 weeks, when 93% of abortions occur), does not meet this criterion and therefore is not a "person" with moral entitlements.
Consequences: Asserted that abortion does not have morally unacceptable consequences, as it's a voluntary choice for the mother (who typically doesn't regret it), and legal abortion is associated with positive societal indicators like higher GDP.
Legality vs. Morality: Distinguished between the act of abortion itself and the harmful consequences of making it illegal (e.g., increased maternal mortality from unsafe procedures).
conclusion:
If this would have been my debate I could add more, TBH three rounds are way too short for this kind of debate. If it would have been five round savant would have done even more.
As I am inclined toward the pro's stance so I just given suggestion, what would have good for me to make better decision. My nature is I do not give vote against my moral values.
So its better to give Tie then unjust vote.
while TBH it would not be unjust vote if I could put more time in the debate there was good room to vote against bones.
But at this point I think it would be unreasonable to vote against him. Also it was more of emotional appeal from savant side even he had invested very good arguments.
overall it was very hard debate for debating as well as voting.
It would have been even more solid from bones if he would have not presented robot and doll and also zombie analogy.
A fetus is a human being and end up as human being neither a robot nor a zombie.
If you have disable child it does not mean he is entitles to less personhood.
Parents abort most of time economical issues and pregnancy become unwanted when they are enjoying sex for their bodily pleasure and end up being pregnant. They say they are not ready, and it was a mistake.
there is a lot I can say about debate. but as its a tie so I think its enough.
A good debate.
savant:
Duty: Posited a moral duty to save and support the fetus, especially since dependency is created through consensual acts.
Bones:
Mother has right to abort and most of them do not feel regret.
Suggestion:
I have see the sources and it says after 5 years, I think any murderer would feel at ease after 5 years. How much a guilt can be measure sometimes people even themselves are not aware of it yet they subconsciously feeling it. That is because of norms of society and even articles mentioned that sometime people feel it more because of society.
so this criteria is not good to judge and declare that they are relieved from their duty to up bring the unwanted pregnancy while they morn when a wanted pregnancy is aborted because of inevitable consequences. We have seen cases where parent wanted to abort but they cannot whether the pregnancy is late or because of some other reason, later when their children know about that they feel very much hurt and sad that their parents wanted to kill them. So if a person already have a child he or she will feel more regretful when aborting. While a young one who has their first child may not feel that much its very much subjective.
Savant:
Societal Impact: Claimed abortion has negative societal consequences, such as reducing GDP and shrinking the labor force.
Bones:
No Violation of Rights most women do it with consent and have no regret.
GDP Argument Presupposes Personhood.
Correlation vs. Causation
Harm from Illegality, Not Abortion Itself
suggestion:
I already discussed that, the study shows the regret after 5 years, its natural a person would move on in life for any kind of bad action after that long.
This is universal truth that every person is born through this way, so its not supposition that a fetus will not become a person. A fetus is a person while at microscopic level and size should not matter here. Its same argument a small child has no rights as compare to adult person. Its scientific fact that every fetus no matter at what will end up as grown up human being if there is anomalies or sickness and pregnancy goes smoothly. Aborting a pregnancy is aborting a process which produce human. On the other hand its totally unnatural, no animal has this tendency its Human invented procedure which use cutting of limbs of babies if the gestation is older.
We can see china and japan are at crisis and soon will face it even more dramatically, because young are very less compare to retired. It look like its helping economy for one or two generation but eventually its can lead to disasters to societies. Ask bestkorea about it, I have seen whining him about it. LOL.
No matter what you say abortion causes medical issues and pain to even mother, they may induce anesthesia at the time of procedure but when the effects goes away there is some pain later. abortion during early pregnancy are induced by medication, and they are very harmful to women. Even prevention pills are harmful.
whether legal or illegal both involves spending money, while natural birth cost nothing and a child, if grow up put some value to economy and its up to society to utilize it.
It was good option in DDO that you say I agree before the debate or I agree after debate.
here I agree with Pro before and after the debate.
This debate is very hard to vote for each side.
Savant:
Core Principle: Introduced the "Uncertainty Principle," arguing that even a small chance (e.g., 2%) of an unborn child being a rights-bearing person makes abortion immoral due to the immense potential harm (loss of an entire life) compared to the burden of pregnancy.
Bones:
Bones stated that 93% of abortions occur before 13 weeks gestation, which gives 7% more then 2% from even his side to be able to feel sentience. Which was his criteria to make a baby person.
Suggestion:
It would have been good argument from savant that, a sperm is living organism, but being microscopic it would not be consider as a person because no matter what it will remain that way while a fertilized egg which is effort and consent of two individual mother and father through sacred act of sexual intercourse and always end up as a human child should be considered a human life even being at the stage of microscopic level. For example a person who inject a deadly virus into someone even being microscopic organism is crime and punishable. So the depth of consequences which is universal truth that a egg is fertilized by sperm end up as a human child and then a human being should be considered as human being no matter at what level. One could not say a one year child do not have equal rights as compare to 50 year old especially the right to live.
savant:
Harm: Argued that abortion constitutes direct harm by "impeding existing bodily functions" and depriving a potential person of future conscious experiences and "life years."
Bones:
Bones stated that in 93% cases abortion is done before 13 week of gestation and at this stage fetus is not sentience.
Suggestion:
There are people in the world who do not feel pain, we can go and kill them? If a person is under anesthesia, we can kill them too?
the basis is not very good to justify abortion.
6 month voting period, someone will vote eventually, and could read debate in session. lol
Sorry it was neom city, autocorrect mess sometime.
People should have some responsibility before starting debate.
This debate would destroy many of my neuro cells to vote lol.
I wish I had time and relaxation to deep dive into and read at full.
Sorry guys could not vote.
Seems nice debate, voting would need to read at full strength which needs time, you should have at least 1 month voting period.
Saudi, is more liberal now then even many of western countries. They are making dajjal's headquarter names as neon city. Why complaining now?
Tell me one thing how a woman is free if she shows her face and not free if she hides? A woman is free if she can choose what they wants, whether it's showing her face or hiding her face.
Nice first round argument.
ooooouuuu,
you minded it ;)
sorry kido, just chill, blessings.
its titles of Tipu sultan. and shair sha suri. both big warrior and its same like richard the lion heart.
once when tipu sultan was betrayed by his two of ministers and he was about to loose war, some asked him to flee and save his life. but what he said the life of a day of tiger is better then the life of a 100 years of jackel.
that is why he was called TigerLord.
sheer shah.
When I was kid I saw the drama about his story. he was called tiger of bingal and tigerlord. so i made mind to use his title for my games characters and also some other platforms.
I do not know what is inspirational from resident evil and what is inspiration from umbrellacorp, other then being corrupt and cause of killing of so many people depicted in movie.
I know buddy, but using a name from movie which is umbrella is childish so I was kind of making fun. Get out of fantasies and see the realities.
My debate was Islam Vs anything.
So I did not know whether I would have Christian or atheist .
So I put rules for everyone.
When I say I am preacher more then of debater, it means my debates are more lengthy and has preaching elements.
I am not foolish to have debates in months and let it ruin by vote bomb.will loose all the purpose of debate.
Do you think if you are a preacher then you are a dumb?
You let go unjust votes? What kind of analogy is that.
About your other questions.
Obviously when a Christian is debating a muslim then both are going to debate on the bases of their religion. For my side obviously I must present what I got. How could you presume Islam to be false even the debate has not started and unless this is the topic of the debate. And if what Islam presents has flaws you just point it out or debate about it.
I think that much is common sense.
If someone claim something to be true it's true for him unless someone proves it's false.
It's again common sense.
If you think you have something substantial then let's have debate about your faith or lack of faith. I can have a formal debate with you.
No problem at all
My next debate would be with atheist. These Christian do not have any substance.
A religion which claims 1+1+1=1
Lol
Troll
What I said in debate I fulfilled.
Kido quit your whining, I am debating since 2012. You have a childish brain. If you cannot read debate then just fck off also when you loose then you do this bull shit strategy calling someone terrorist. I have ideology that any Muslim can only defensive jihad. No Muslim is allowed to attack anyone.
@umberalla girl
You care fully read the debate at least.
Thanks bro
@admin
It was good option on DDO to edit your RFD. Why removed from here?
No vote bomb is allowed on my debate.
Vote bomb
When Does the Burden Shift?
Once the claim-maker gives a reasoned argument, then the burden shifts to the opponent to refute those points.
your argument is by default wrong, because both have same picture. but if it would have been a formal and serious debate then probably my analogy works as well. Also no arguments were made as well.
keep in mind I have smart brain and most of time when it thinks in a way I find it correct later on. I can get away with a lot of claims because of that.
But a just and wise person also corrects itself if he is on mistake.
TBH, here above analogy could not be applied and you loose automatically but my analogy still stand for many of debates.
If you want I can give vote to con?
do you want me to give you fair vote while its troll debate? if you do troll debates then you will have troll votes LOL.
if you want i can give it to Con. as I said before its troll debate why care. I gave something in RFD, this is mostly the norms here who give unjust votes. how it feels? ;)
When, a guy accepts a challenge, then burden is shared. One is channeling and other is accepting it. I have given a logic for my point. There is an argument and you said nothing about it. Why care for a troll debate though. But what I said has something big behind it and is applicable on all kinds of debate. Resolution itself is big argument. And both parties either support it or refute it. I did not see any refutal at all. And you will not find a vote which goes against my believe. It's impossible. And I never give biased vote. If is see a Muslim is loosing I just do not vote. And there sre many debates some Muslim asked me to vote but i did not. When is see there is chance a Muslim is winning then I do vote. Or mostly vote for topics which are not related to our believes and mostly FF.
you can see it's just balancing the vote. And I gave something for it.
Any ways I am more of preacher then debater. I feel good for everyone whether Christian or atheist. May Allah guide us all ameen
lol
troller coaster
Some guy suggested me to debate Mall, but I did not know that he is driller of brain. Tbh this debate was total loss of time. I could not believe someone could troll a debate like that.
I really wanted to debate Atheist. But it seems they are defensive toward me this time which was on DDO. Christianity has no substance. Although now I know more and more about it and can disprove it more and more.
One achievement I got in the debate was to control my behavior and bear the insult of other person. Empty utensils makes noise. though I was not empty that is why I should have not made noise.
I hope fishChaser is better debater.
you say
"Christianity is an adulterated view of the Bible" LOL
you kinda call it rape of bible lol
you have weak memory bro.
i am not whining.
but i do not want to debate about stupid topics which just waste time.
you see i dedicate my time to one debate at a time and it could take months.
I do not do like you who jerk around and do trolling all over the place.
you are a child.
you framed the whole debate, it looses the scope and also waste my time around stupid issues which get you no where.
that is why i do not want to debate with you again. because i do not want to debate with trolls who do not debate with me on my resolution.
you are the one who run like a coward from my resolution that bible is corrupt and has 500k variations.
I tackled both resolution.
you simply fck the brain with stupid fantasized arguments.
I am sorry i am not for that, even you call it cowardliness or whatever. I do not want drill of my brain for worthless debates. i will indeed block you because it do not want to fck around here any more.
i mostly wanted to debate with athiest here and chrsitanity has nothing left to debate with me your basses are hollow your fountain is fake and corrupted and weak. i am polite toward christains otherwise this religion is almost obsolete just like hinduism. their idols and polytheism in it and a lot more like even magic.
"I asked my opponent to talk about the Bible, why because the whole Christianity is based on bible which is holy scripture of the Christian, its credibility is vital to prove."
This is incorrect. This is a lie perhaps the opposing side was told. Christianity is not based on the bible.
You can learn more going to website address:
https://youtube.com/@j.talkstothepeopleradio6008
Title of the video, very recent video, was Christianity invented by God?
It was failed to be proven that Christianity is out of the scriptures. Christianity is based on man whom invented the sect using corrupted or water down tenets of the scripture, sometimes writing off any iota of scripture completely depending on who you talk to.
Christianity is an adulterated view of the Bible and that's why you can't find one scripture that says God or Jesus establishing a thing called Christianity.
You don't even find where Jesus said be Christian. It was men in the scripture that starting using the term themselves.
So much the opposing side as demonstrated not speaking on what is known.
yes indeed,
TBH infinity exist, apparently we can know what could be infinite or should be infinite. If we let proving aside and assume the existence of Creator deity to be true and creation already exist not need for that. Than we can assume that a creator should be infinite and creation cannot be. So I would say its impossible to apply empirical formula to know even 1 percent of what actually exist. I am considering created here. Infinity is beyond any measure. So your 5 sense what scope they have even enhanced by supplementary tools and equipment.
Finally I would say our knowledge our prospective should not even be considered in infant level.
I guess you would also agree with it.
Also, you can see here in this debate we are talking about consciousnesses and unconsciousness. Science can not touch these aspect of reality now or ever. Effect of those realm causing physical changed in brain are after all effects not the thing itself. Which my opponent made basis of his argument while everyone here ignored my rebuttal against it.
Its bit disappointing.
worst form
He is over smart, nothing else.
And lucy, I know all those things all along, I am doing debate since 2012. And I have seen a lot on DDO and now this DART.
ameen
Put a rule for your other debates that no moderator is allowed to vote.