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@WyIted
The estimates you are using are speculative and put out by the managerial elite who are very pissed they are losing power . Notice how they have to use weasel words like "we estimate loss of resources for the poor"
They're put out by the congressional budget office. This is probably the best source there is. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_Office
The tax deduction for tips and overtime pay is probably a good start but its not a very big impact. Seems more like throwing a bone than actually giving a shit. What Id like to see is an elimination of social security and medicare taxes on wages and have the funding loss replaced by increasing the federal income tax (ie shift the tax burden from a regressive tax on labor to a progressive tax on all income sources, especially unearned income like interest, dividends, capital gains etc)
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@fauxlaw
I said "If he signs the bill rather than vetos it then he's doing it."That still presupposed it passes the Senate without alteration, so, you're still pre-supposing
I'd imagined they'd get something passed. It does keep changing.
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@fauxlaw
Do presidents sign bills before they are approved by the Senate? No. Why are you rushing the calendar? Got a house fire?
I said "If he signs the bill rather than vetos it then he's doing it."
This contemplates that I do not think he is responsible unless and until the bill has his signature on it. I'm not rushing to judgment.
Edit: I actually heard some reports where Trump told GOP "Don't fuck with medicaid." I liked that.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
he's raising taxes on the poorThat would be congress, but citation please.
If he signs the bill rather than vetos it then he's doing it.
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@WyIted
Just going to stop here. You can't believe just everything CNN says. He eliminated taxes on tips which is not something that would apply to millionaires but the tax cuts that benefit even the wealthy do not cause the poor to pay more taxes so they aren't harmed. The bill also listed no cut to the Medicare budget. You might see alterations in policy to eliminate fraud but it's budget actually increased so it means more care and more people that Medicare can sustainabley help
I agree don't believe CNN. I do believe CBO though:
Estimated EffectsCBO estimates that household resources would decrease by an amountequal to about 2 percent of income in the lowest decile (tenth) of theincome distribution in 2027 and 4 percent in 2033, mainly as a result oflosses of in-kind transfers, such as Medicaid and SNAP (see the figure).3By contrast, resources would increase by an amount equal to 4 percent forhouseholds in the highest decile in 2027 and 2 percent in 2033, mainlybecause of reductions in they taxes they owe. The distributional effects varythroughout the 10-year projection period as different components of thelegislation are phased in and out.(Page 3, emphasis added)
In other words, tax cuts for the rich paid for by reductions in funding for the poor.
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@fauxlaw
Well I was confining discussion to 18 USC §2383. That part of the pdf goes in to pretty good detail about it. The more interesting thing I read was the argument that an insurrection is usualky against an established authority and that Trump was head of the fed gov at the time it raises the question about whether what he did would constitute insurrection, provided that all the other requirements were satisfied.
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@fauxlaw
Try page 61 section E "other charges"
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@Double_R
So what?If intellectual honesty doesn't matter, then nothing.
I mean, it's user generated forum content. My expectations are pretty low.
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@fauxlaw
The issues with insurrection charges are probably similar in the other cases (ie why prosecutor would dismiss such charges)
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@fauxlaw
Im not sure how familiar you are with criminal proceedings. Usually the DAs will want to prosecute the charges that are easiest to prove and most often charges get plea bargained. Charges for insurrection under 18 USC §2383 may run in to legal problems. The whole thing was an attack but seemed like a disorganized riot or an angry mob. This may not satisfy the intended meaning of insurrection or rebellion under the statute. Thats what I would imagine the reason could be, but I havent looked at the court cases to see what happened with them. Even if I did look at the records Im probably not going to see what was going on in the DAs head. This would all come from the same DAs office, although separate state level charges (or DC federal enclave charges) can make a different DA.
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@fauxlaw
Since there are no convictions, it didn't happen, did it?
That's your argument, right? That the absence of convictions demonstrates that the crimes didn't happen. This is something so well-known to be untrue that I don't believe you made the argument in good faith. How could you? You're smarter than that.
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@Double_R
He changes the subject nearly everytime I or anyone else hits back with a substantive answer on pretty much anything.
So what?
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@Double_R
So he changes the subject too much then? You have damages.
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From a statistical standpoint randomly encountering a bear in the woods is far more likely to lead to death or serious injury than randomly encountering a man in the woods. Women have learned to fear men but have not learned to fear bears so much.
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@RemyBrown
He who does not work, neither shall he eat
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@fauxlaw
Since there are no convictions, it didn't happen, did it?
And OJ didn't do it.
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Probably hid that along with him losing his marbles. The plan to hide shit failed due to the debate. Oh well.
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