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@ludofl3x
Jesus definitely exists, just as every other god every imagined, or Batman and Captain America and Darth Vader exist. It's a character in a story.
Exactly.
Unfortunately, some people tend to stretch the metaphor a bit and actually convince themselves that Jesus exists literally means just that.
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@fauxlaw
Where is he then?
As close as you allow him to be. It's on you, not him.
You mean, as close as a deluded mind would want Him to be.
For example, you may wish to comment on this video.....
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@PGA2.0
Let's go back to my point which you clearly rejected.
I quoted Richard Dawkins and "The Greatest Show On Earth" as a definitive work on the fact that life evolved as a result of evolution through natural selection.
The findings are irrefutable and fully backed up with carefully researched evidence, none of which has been successfully challenged.
So, the fact of evolution through natural selection stands and any notion or theory of creation is completely nullified. There is no God and life was not created.
What evidence do you think have to support your (supposed) notion that God exists and we were created?
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@PGA2.0
Why? Why do you spend so much time and energy opposing what you call a fairy tale? Why do you appear so angry over the biblical teachings? Is it not good to love others and want the best for them, to devote oneself to helping those less fortunate, to do what is in one's means to fight against injustice and when possible to give food and shelter to the poor and needy, to change lives for the better? Do you not want others to have hope and inspiration?Basically, you are saying that all Christians believe in fairy tales and are liars.
Fair comment.
There is some really great stuff in the Bible which I value highly although you could say that, given that the Bible is "a bible" most of its contents have been assembled from many other publications.
I think most Christians take their faith with a grain of salt and when push comes to shove, most do not believe in God, let alone most of the exaggerated anecdotal accounts in the Bible.
For example, a recent census in Australia revealed that less than 14% of Roman Catholics regularly attend Church.
What I do say is that those who firmly believe that there is a God as master are deluded. I have made many posts giving the proof and if you like I will reiterate.
I object to those who hide behind their own anti-social prejudices and use the Bible or their faith to justify such prejudices, for example, homophobia, abortion, unmarried mothers, euthanasia.
Religion, on the face of it, offers comfort and direction to followers, however, it allows followers to live in a world far removed from reality. When you live a lie, you will tell lies in order to maintain your stance.
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@MisterChris
I'm just sharing some conjecture. No need to get condescending.
My comment was designed to be sarcastic rather than condescending, and, for good reason.
Your "conjecture" stated:
So it makes sense that God would present a simplified account that had some symbolic meanings.
It makes no sense at all, given the examples that I gave.
For goodness sake, 7 days instead of 13.5 billion years is more than simplification or even gilding the lily...it is an outright lie.
And to pass off the explanation of creation in such a way is so far removed from being simplified or symbolic that it would insult the intelligence of a highly retarded institutionalised patient, let alone common folk.
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@ethang5
Then why do you demean and humiliate yourself to obsessively break onto a religion board to babble about Christianity? How stupid and compulsive are you?
I conduct myself in a forthright, honest manner to discuss religion in its true context and to expose the realities of religion to those who may be ill-informed.
Yes, there are those who continue to pedal myths and wild speculations and trying to pass them off as being true.
I am providing a valuable service to many sites where people promulgate lies and myths to satisfy their insatiable egos and to justify their deluded states, absurd beliefs and the prejudices and bigotry that go hand in hand.
And yes, those guilty often respond with ill-tempered outbursts of vitriol. For example, there was one member who habitually trolled by making vile personal attacks on every new member who dared show any difference to his already distorted and unjustified opinions. He was banned for a month.
The fact that I need to re-sign constantly is through no fault of mine but by the regulators, or in particular, one regulator on this site who has been shown and proven to be extremely biased and terminated my original membership by manipulating the rules and concocting outright lies.
I had already warned others when this site started that the founders were set on constructively censoring posts in order to push their own nefarious agendas. This was after my account was suspended because, and I quote (my) "threads were anti-religious".
I am proud to live in a free, democratic society where truth and fair comment are not suppressed.
Will I stop my campaign of exposing bigotry, lies, deceit and extreme prejudice?
No way.
And where there's a way, I shall continue in earnest.
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@PGA2.0
........by ignoring my posts which have been granted the last word on the subject. (Posts 84, 85, 87) I was looking forward to a heated discussion. Or is everyone just taking a break?
Allow me then to make the last word on the subject.
There is and never was any such thing as the resurrection of any sort any anyone who earnestly believes such an absurd fairy tale is clearly deluded.
Similarly, anyone who preaches such nonsense is a dishonest liar.
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@MisterChris
So it makes sense that God would present a simplified account that had some symbolic meanings.
So simplified to the extent that God simplified 13.5 billion years to seven days?
And I suppose then, that a lump of clay thrown down from the heavens was symbolic of the complex processes of evolution by natural selection.
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@fauxlaw
He still does exist, does he?What, he's got a cigarette hanging out of his mouth and flipping burgers in a remote roadside truck-stop, is he?If that's how you want to see him, that's your trip, bud. Milk it. Argue for your limitations; they're yours
Let's get back to the point.
You said that Jesus Christ exists.
Where is he then?
Or are you lying?
So far as Christ ever existing at all goes: if he did exist there is good reason to presume that he was no different to David Koresh and Jim Jones. That is they were charismatic leaders who sucked in gullible followers to believe a load of utter codswallop and proclaiming to be the son of god.
The only difference is that Koresh was responsible for the deaths of more than 20 people, Jones; 900, Christ; 90,000 followers were killed last year alone.
Oh, and the other difference is: Koresh and Jones actually existed.
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@ethang5
The C of E isn't ChristianITY. Read slower genius.The total number of Christians worldwide is increasing, no matter what your illogical bias tells you.
I think you have made a couple of fundamental errors there.
The Church of England is a Christian Church.
The rate of increase in the number of Christians worldwide is way less than the proportional increase in population.
The rate of growth of Islam is double that of the world's overall population growth.
Fact: Christianity is the most despised and hated religion in the world and in real terms is definitely in very rapid decline.
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@PGA2.0
Irrefutable evidence. You first. Present your concrete evidence. Where do you observe a change in kind? What is intended by chance happenstance? How does such a process even happen? Who is Richard Dawkins that I should believe another fallible, subjective limited in knowledge human being?
I can see how perhaps you are so mixed up and confused.
You see, I correctly cited viable, authoritative evidence to back up what I stated.
Looking through your posts I can see not one iota of evidence to back your stance (presumably of creation) and it is very telling that you seem to be unaware of who Richard Dawkins is.
It is a common characteristic of those who firmly believe in God to shun and ignore facts in order to protect themselves from their ill-gotten, absurd beliefs.
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@ILikePie5
Yup science is definitely racist. You’re the real racist.
Doesn't make any sense, does it?
If I am a racist, give a reason as to why that would be.
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