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America Needs To Pay Reparations To The Descendants of Slavery

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After 3 votes and with 13 points ahead, the winner is...

TheAtheist
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Let's talk reparations. It's plain and simple, American needs to cut the check to the descendants of slavery to write the wrongs of the past. Even though today's reparations hearing was bogus, it has shined new light on the topic at hand. America has paid reparations to every other group that it has had conflict with, but for some reason, this country does not want to repair the people who built this country. If you don't agree, then you are simply racist. Anyone is welcome to take this challenge, but you must bring facts and a logical argument or I won't take you serious.

Mr. High IQ, are you even aware that you're currently paying reparations for the Native Americans & fake Jews in Israel as we speak?

Please show me where the slaves were assigned "Freedom Dues."...You know, the same "Freedom Dues" that the Irish received?

I'll wait...………………………...

How is it different. They were treated the same way, given slave names, whipped for not obeying their master. Most were kept as slaves and not given land like promised. This is the same things slaves went through. Now you want descendants of the Irish who almost zero of them owned slaves to pay repairations. retarded

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@Wylted

Did you not say that "the Irish were treated exactly identical to how the slaves were treated?

Are you aware that chattel slavery & indentured servitude is completely different?

So, which story are you going to stick with?

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@mairj23

Nope, I never said all of them got property most just worked for free and never capitalized on their deal, amd it is entirely possible they were treated like slaves and still got property. Slaves got property from their master as well many times. Out of curiosity what percentage of whites were slave owners compared to blacks? Do you know?

You just agreed that the (Irish worked for 5 - 7 years to get free land), but earlier you said that the (Irish were treated the same as slaves).

Yep, you just put your foot in your mouth.

If you had a high IQ then you'd know to always capitalize the term "Civil War" because it's a proper noun. Oops.

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@Wylted

Hey Einstein, Explain to me what the "Freedom Dues" were?

End of Discussion......

How the hell did my ancestors who fought to free slaves in the civil war and who were also a part of the underground railroad, die because their gravy train was running out? What is your IQ LOL

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@mairj23

Nope, most of the indentured servants got jack shit, and even the ones who actually got land, did not get it for free they worked for it for 5 to 7 years. The system has never given me a freebie lol.

By the way, I have a PHD in Forensic Anthropology and own 3 businesses. Learn your history so you can perhaps win a debate in the future

By the way, I have a B.A. in Forensic Anthropology and own two businesses.

Caucasians are the biggest welfare case in history because you benefit from a system that gives you freebies. Lol
Learn your history before making stupid comments.

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@Wylted

Your ancestors died because the gravy train of free labor was ending. The Irish worked for 5 to 7 years then received free land.

Keyword: Free
One statement obliterates your stupidity.

Dude is asking for reparations because he doesn't want to work. Probably collects welfare also.

My ancestors died to pay for the freedom of slaves, and you think I owe blacks money. What the hell is wrong with you? Also if the Irish weren't slaves why were they treated exactly identical to what the slaves were treated?

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@mairj23

And that is why you get the comments that you do. New ideas brought in the mix of things and then you say it is the stupidest comment of the 21st Century. I don't believe it is, in fact it may be very relevant, but then again, may not be at all. What is dumb is your belief that reparations can, and will be paid. They just won't because of all of the reasons your opponent said, and your rebuttals were utter nonsense. Every analogy, was way off base. Even if I believed that reparations could happen, I would still vote against you with your arguments.

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@BrotherDThomas

My comment wasn't directed at Dr. Franklin.

I read your bio, which I can respect but there is no such thing as a "Jewish Christian." Jew & Jewish are two separate things.

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@DBlaze

By far the dumbest comment of the 21st century.

Can anybody prove that white people's lives would be worse is there were no slave trade? Yes

Proof: Roanoke, Virginia

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@BrotherDThomas

your saying Im Satan, YOU have disobeyed Jeuss laws before me many times

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@Dr.Franklin
@mairj23

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Dr. Franklin,

YOUR UNGODLY CHILD LIKE QUOTE: "So now your calling me racist. Fuck you man."

You continue to slap Jesus in the face! You will pay upon Judgment Day because you are guilty of the following inspired by Jesus verses below, praise Jesus' revenge upon you!

"But above all, my brothers, DO NOT SWEAR, either by heaven or by earth or by any other oath, but let your “yes” be yes and your “no” be no, so that you may not fall under condemnation." (James 5:12)

"I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account FOR EVERY CARELESS WORD THEY SPEAK" (Matthew 12:36)

"Let NO CORRUPTING TALK COME OUT OF YOUR MOUTHS, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear." (Ephesians 4:29)

Dr. Franklin, you call yourself a Christian? Surely you jest! As I have shown before, you are a minion of Satan that was sent here to disrupt Jesus' true words within the scriptures.

BE GONE, SATAN!

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@mairj23

So now your calling me racist. Fuck you man

Can anyone prove that black people's lives would be better now than if there were no slave trade at all? Would most still be in the 3rd world Africa that you all describe below? Is that an argument to be had? Were they better off slaves in America than slaves in Africa might be something to be considered. I don't think it was their choice to come to America to have a better life, they were owned by someone there, then sold and shipped away. I think they have a better life now than they would have had they stayed where ever they came from. Not something that can be proven though, but worth throwing out there.

Struck a nerve didn't I? You can't be mad at me because my genetics aren't recessive.

I can't control any genetic deficiencies that white people have so don't take it out on me.

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@mairj23

Can you not answer the question?

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@mairj23

I've just told you why African-Americans commit more crimes on average. They are poorer, less educated, and are more likely to be born to a single mother than whites. What other explanation do you need? If this answer is not logical, please explain why. Otherwise, it just seems like you're trying to get me and Dr. Franklin to say that blacks are inferior, which we do not believe.

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@Dr.Franklin

I have yet to get a logical answer.

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@mairj23

I don't understand what your saying are you saying people commit more crime because their White? They were born that way.

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@mairj23

You made an analogy. And then I made an analogy. What are the chances that we played basketball together? It's an analogy, it doesn't have to be probable.

I've just explained how it's logical to you. The average black person is poorer, less educated, and is more likely to grow up with one parent than the average white person. Because of these things, the average black person is more likely to commit crimes.

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@TheAtheist

And that type of answer is why this question can't be answered.

I generally just sit back & let guys destroy your own arguments. So, what are the chances that me, of all people, would be a basketball star?

I rest my case.

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@mairj23

You would outscore me if you were a star basketball player, which means your chance of scoring is higher. Same thing with African-Americans: they are more likely to commit crime, their chance of scoring is higher. Not because they are somehow inferior to whites, but because they are on average poorer and less educated than the average white.

Also, it doesn't matter whether it's logical to you or not. It's an official government statistic.

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@TheAtheist

Because no one can logically answer the question without sounding illogical.

Example: If you and I play a game of basketball. You shoot the ball 60% of the time while I shoot the ball 14% of the time; do you actually think I'll outscore you?

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@mairj23

Why is it logical that whites are commiting more crime, but illogical that blacks are commiting more crime?

I'll say this one more time. Until someone answers the question of (Is It Logical That 14% of The Population Is Committing More Crime Than 60% of The Population)... the topic is basically over.

And no one has been able to come up with any type of logical answer, which proves my point to the highest degree.

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@Dr.Franklin

Have you taken a good look at America now days? Dope attics, school shooters, mass murderers, crooked politicians, pill poppers etc,.and who makes up the largest percentage of these crimes? Hmmm

By the way, Half of Europe is third-world so what are you talking about?

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@TheRealNihilist

no,my strat works

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@Dr.Franklin

If you have a history and I am guessing you are making similar arguments back then and now. Why are you trying to use similar arguments that didn't work in the past?

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@TheRealNihilist

Just please believe me I have a history with this guy

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@Dr.Franklin

I won't understand how to make bad arguments? Thanks for that. At least you know your place and mine.

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@TheRealNihilist

Its a tactic you wont understand unless you have debated this moron before

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@Dr.Franklin

You fight bad arguments with other bad arguments?

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@TheRealNihilist

Yes I know tis unfair but im fighting back mairj

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@TheRealNihilist

No worries it's okay.

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@TheAtheist

>> Even though in reality, this disparity [in crime rates] is caused by poverty, lack of education, and high rates of single mothers, not black people being mentally disturbed or inferior.

Didn't see that for some reason. Cool take. Sorry.

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@TheRealNihilist

I have already stated why African-Americans commit more crime on average in my previous comments. This is from my discussion with mairj23, when we were discussing if whites commit more crime than blacks:

"Using your logic, I could argue that all black people are mentally disturbed. Even though in reality, this disparity [in crime rates] is caused by poverty, lack of education, and high rates of single mothers, not black people being mentally disturbed or inferior."

I think that quote pretty much proves that I'm not racist.

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@TheAtheist

>>So it's logical that whites commit more crime, but illogical that blacks commit more crime? You have not shown anybody ANY basic facts that prove white people commit more crime than black people. The US government statistics say otherwise: 50% of the crime is committed by 13% of the population.

Do answer why blacks commit more crime to avoid being associated with the term racist. Sure people can still call you racist but it will not be justified if you response clearly makes sure you are not associated with that.

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@Dr.Franklin

>>Any evidence...blacks commit more crime and tear themselves apart. Look at Africa

Comparing a third world group to a first world group?

Third world group = Less socio-economic advantage, less technology to get to the top, less goods to make their lives better.

First world group= Change less to more with what I said at the top.

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@TheAtheist

Wow nice debating skills.

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@mairj23

Any evidence...blacks commit more crime and tear themselves apart. Look at Africa

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@mairj23

So it's logical that whites commit more crime, but illogical that blacks commit more crime? You have not shown anybody ANY basic facts that prove white people commit more crime than black people. The US government statistics say otherwise: 50% of the crime is commited by 13% of the population.

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@TheAtheist

Disparity? Ok, so who created this disparity?...which fits in perfectly with the topic of this debate.

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@TheAtheist

I've literally destroyed contestants by showing basic facts that white people commit the most crime. Your track record is proof-positive.

On the other hand, one question always seem to throw a monkey wrench in their game. The question is, "how (logical) is it that 14% of the population is committing more crime than 60% of the population?

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@mairj23

Even though in reality, this disparity is caused by poverty, lack of education, and high rates of single mothers, not black people being mentally disturbed or inferior.

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@mairj23

Actually, in the US, 13% of the population (African-Americans) commit 50% of the crimes. So I wouldn't be so sure about the "whites commit more crimes" claim. Using your logic, I could argue that all black people are mentally disturbed.