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Steven Crowder by associating with racists and white supremacists has endorsed those views
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TheRealNihilist
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This is about whether or not Steven Crowder is a racist and white supremacist by allowing them on his show and not challenging said views.
Racist: a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another (implied that discrimination and prejudice is based on race. It doesn't have to be intentional to be racist).
White supremacist: White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them.
No forfeits.
I take Pro stance of Steven Crowder being a racist and white supremacist.
The instigator has the sole burden of proof so the contender requires only to rebut the claims brought forward.
Round 1
My arguments is as follows:
- Crowder by not challenging white supremacy or racism he has allowed people who support that gain a new audience. Indoctrinate them into that thinking if they do decide to follow those people. Crowder should have made a good faith effort to make sure his guests are challenged if not it will lead to them believing things Crowder personally states he does not associate with. If he did not associate with views he considers abhorrent why does he not challenge them or why does he allow people with those views gain a new platform which can lead to them following them on their ideas.
Here I will be listing people who he has on his show but didn't mention the controversial sides of them. With a large following like Crowder I can't even fathom not knowing about their views.
Owen Benjamin
Just looking at the wiki even they call him alt-right. Mainly using this as a background for him guess it isn't hidden about his views:
"Owen Benjamin is an American comedian, actor, and alt-right political commentator"
If it wasn't clear already. Owen doesn't like Jews. He made a gross generalization on entire race over 1 person who he thinks is a Jew. This is of course racism and doubtful this would be your contention. If it is I'll respond to it in the next Round.
Here is the many shows Owen has been on that Steven has yet to call him out for these views:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttggwE0_7DM (Crowder stereotyping Chinese people)
There is more but you I think would get the point. You or Crowder can't use the excuse that his person was only a guest for a short while instead he has been on there for many occurrences dating to when Crowder stereotyped Chinese people to Owen Benjamin airing the Louder with Crowder show. By Crowder not challenging Owen he has left people to think he can be trusted with his views of Jewish people which is racist.
Gavin Mcinnes
Gavin McInnes is a Canadian writer and far-right political commentator. He is the co-founder of Vice Media and Vice Magazine and host of Get Off My Lawn, formerly on Conservative Review Television.
Here is Gavin platforming Jared Taylor on his show. If you don't know who Jared Taylor is. Here are his views:
"Taylor is a proponent of scientific racism and voluntary racial segregation.[8][31][32][33] Taylor also asserts that there are racial differences in intelligence among the various ethno-racial groups across the world.[34] Taylor argues that Blacks are generally less intelligent than Hispanics, while Hispanics are generally less intelligent than whites, and whites are generally less intelligent than East Asians: "I think Asians are objectively superior to Whites by just about any measure that you can come up with in terms of what are the ingredients for a successful society. This doesn't mean that I want America to become Asian. I think every people has a right to be itself, and this becomes clear whether we're talking about Irian Jaya or Tibet, for that matter".[35][36][34]"
Here is Gavin on the Steven Crowder show without of course Steven Crowder addressing Jared Taylor's appearance. This is as close as 4 months ago and he has yet to challenge him or even address.
I do have more examples but I didn't realize I started this debate until wouldn't you know it. DA sent me a message that this was due an hour away. Sorry about the less detailed response but my points are clear enough and substantial for me to have a case that Steven Crowder by associating with racists and white supremacists has endorsed those views.
Forfeited
Round 2
I'll wait then.
Forfeited
Round 3
Okay.
Crud
Sorry to hear that. I would create the debate again but I got other stuff to do.
I tried to juggle too many things in my life at once.
What happened?
Dang it.
" I am sure I can eventually make him look like a dumb dumb."
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>> But I've heard Steven Crowder say that he never edits or take out things in his videos and that everything is 100% there.
Have you watched his Change My Mind? He fast-forwards them to the parts that have people talking. I think he sits there for a couple of hours so if he actually did release the full video unedited it would be a couple of hours.
>>Wouldn't you think it'd be some kind of challenge debating him since he's very smart (it seems) he knows his stuff, talks really fast and has his sources right on the spot. Dunno, perhaps it's an intimidation tactic but he's very well spoken
Yes he knows the facts that in the folder but that doesn't actually mean he is smart. If he cheats and changes definitions around then I can complain about that but if he works with my definitions then he can't win.
>> there are some things I agree with him on in certain Change my mind segments, like the Abortion ones. (Pro-Life) and of course I definitely agree with him and I'm on his side of there are only 2 genders.
Okay but doubtful Steven has a better argument than I and since I haven't seen him just leave a debate. I am sure I can eventually make him look like a dumb dumb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pP7GhiCqmA
Watch this, the vox adpocalypse is a disaster, Crowder doesn't hate gays
bmd ~ Yeah it means queer, pretty sure. It's just the "G" part that gets paid attention to the most. The gay slurs such as fag can be offensive but I am unsure if Steven said fag. Either way, it was made apparent that he said slurs.
"Why should it matter if people get offended?" - Well simply, because it's offensive
"They don't have to watch his content." - But what if a gay fan supported him and watched him all the time? And now this happened & at this point, yes they can choose not to watch him *anymore*
omar ~ But I've heard Steven Crowder say that he never edits or take out things in his videos and that everything is 100% there. Wouldn't you think it'd be some kind of challenge debating him since he's very smart (it seems) he knows his stuff, talks really fast and has his sources right on the spot. Dunno, perhaps it's an intimidation tactic but he's very well spoken and there are some things I agree with him on in certain Change my mind segments, like the Abortion ones. (Pro-Life) and of course I definitely agree with him and I'm on his side of there are only 2 genders.
You have 9 days so more than a week.
I'm working too much this week, can't commit to a debate right now
Queer isn't a slur. Isn't that what the Q im LGBTQ stands for? I could be wrong.
Why should it matter if people get offended? They don't have to watch his content.
Can't prove someone's intentions. I don't know why he was not gay Jarrod. I'm assuming they knew a gay Jarrod and it was some kind of inside joke.
It is doubtful he would put me in the final cut. He does kind of remove content from the Change My Mind segments so if I really made him look bad. I think he would not even show it so I would be hoping someone records me beating him with whatever topic or I just get someone to record it.
I wish I could actually see you and Steven Crowder sit down and have a Change My Mind segment in a video on YouTube, that would be interesting
I understand he's a comedian, but certain lines shouldn't be crossed especially when it comes to race or homophobic slurs. The LGBT is a very sensitive community. It wasn't like Steven beat around the bush with what he said, but it was in your face and he let it be known how he feels. I'm sure many people who are gay would be offended by that. I do like Steven Crowder but I won't be that bias to ignore some wrong things that he does. Even so, I still watch him. Now if he says the N word that wouldn't be right because it would offend me since I am black. "He also adds "not gay" "half asian" before his employees' names sometimes." Why though? What if some of his employees are gay? Makes me question if he really is against gays. It's as if "not gay" = "thank god my employee isn't gay" in his mind.
But hey if I'm looking to deep into it and if these allegations aren't true against him and if he's somehow sincerely joking, let me know and explain more.
Countless examples...provides none. I'm cool with ending this squabble.
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>>Could you perhaps name a few outrageous claims of mine so that I can defend them?
No you should have done that when you made the claim. I am not going to find countless examples you didn't substantiate instead I rather not spend more of my time discussing this.
Do you want to end this without ad-hominems or name-calling or can you not help yourself?
Let's agree to disagree until you decide to create a debate that I would accept or you accept a debate that I created.
I haven't personally heard claims of Crowder being racist outside of the normal mindless slurs against all conservatives. I need to see why he is claiming this
Could you perhaps name a few outrageous claims of mine so that I can defend them?
Where was the research shown by your claims? Oh wait there wasn't any.
I don't have an ego more so a standard you don't follow. You make claims that don't make sense and are not supported.
If you need to look at my claims before you accept the debate. That would mean you won't accept any debate because in order to see my claims you are required to accept my debate.
I discussed the "homophobia" issue with you and a couple of your irrelevant hypotheticals. I haven't accepted because I need to look into these claims of yours. Unlike you, I don't have an overinflated ego that would require me to accept after such insults. I research before I spout out ideas unlike you
I'll add that I have the burden of proof so that the opponent only needs to rebut my claims sufficiently.
That's understandable. I'll give BMD a chance first. I'll think about it, and check if I have time. Since its Con, there shouldn't be too much research involved for me to provide a decent challenge to your arguments.
>>I want someone like BMD
If he was going to accept the debate he would have done it by now.
>> I'm asking so its clear what it is that Con is signing up for.
>>Are you arguing that if he allows a known racist on his show, and both people end up not talking about race, that Steven Crowder would be endorsing racism?
I can argue both ways. I am sure not the answer you wanted but that is all I want to give and I don't want to change the title. I like it.
I don't want to waste my time with you imbecile
"If I answer that question would you accept the debate? If not why are you asking? "
I want someone like BMD to have the first shot over myself since I don't really watch the show and my history only goes back a couple of weeks. I'm asking so its clear what it is that Con is signing up for. It doesn't seem reasonable for me to accept on condition of finding out what I am accepting.