Instigator / Pro
9
1485
rating
92
debates
45.65%
won
Topic
#1109

Resolved: Abortion should remain legal in the US

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
3
6
Better sources
4
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
0
2

After 2 votes and with 5 points ahead, the winner is...

semperfortis
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Two weeks
Max argument characters
15,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
14
1684
rating
15
debates
100.0%
won
Description

Intro

Many thanks to semperfortis for agreeing to this debate. Since his opponent forfeited the other debate, I thought I could give him a nice challenge to his arguments.

Definitions

Abortion - the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy.

Should: used to indicate obligation, duty, or correctness, typically when criticizing someone's actions.

Legal: permitted by law.

Rules

1. No forfeits
2. Citations must be provided in the text of the debate
3. No new arguments in the final speeches
4. Observe good sportsmanship and maintain a civil and decorous atmosphere
5. No trolling
6. No "kritiks" of the topic (challenging assumptions in the resolution)
7. For all resolutional terms, individuals should use commonplace understandings that fit within the logical context of the resolution, the reality of the US political landscape, and this debate
8. The BOP is evenly shared
9. Pro must post their arguments in R1 and waive in R4
10. Rebuttals of new points raised in an adversary's immediately preceding speech may be permissible at the judges' discretion even in the final round (debaters may debate their appropriateness)
11. Violation of any of these rules, or of any of the R1 set-up, merits a loss

Structure

1. Opening
2. Rebuttal
3. Defense
4. Closing

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Conduct - goes to con for the forfeit.

Arguments. I was pleasantly surprised for this one. Pros affirmative case dances around the true issue of personhood and rights. I find that the benefits of abortion only follow once you have established that the affording of personhood is not clear cut: on all counts, I felt that con made a good rebuttal in this vein: the benefits of abortion as laid out by pro were all pretty well covered by con, with most boiling down to the issues of taking a life and personhood.

To be fair; this portion of the debate could have been thrown away, as its inherently justified or not based on the other arguments presented.

Pro: you should really have started off with why killing is okay in this situation. Anything else is avoiding the elephant in the womb.

Cons case starts out strong and rigid appeal to human life. There’s a lot of syllogisms - too many imo - which makes it a little harder to weigh everything

Pros attack on whether judicial rights should be given was excellent by pointing out rights are no universal, but tend to be acquired by age.

I felt the NAP response was a little poorer - as con could easily say all those things should be banned: pro opened the door to a potential argument by trying to turn the NAP principle by arguing impacts on the woman - but it was a throwaway and lacking in enough detail:

Pro simply cast doubt on the moral impermissibility of killing a human - this was weaker imo, but could have had legs in subsequent rounds. The idea that we’re all pro choice - we just differ in who we feel it’s okay to kill - could have been pushed, but the issue is that innocent vs innocent comes into play.

Finally born vs unborn: pros example of embryos and fire is excellent at showing less vs more important humans - I would have liked to have seen this go further.

The abrupt end here stifled the debate: and imo on arguments alone, as con did not subsequently rebut, he didn’t leverage the forfeit to win arguments.

Thus far, the arguments were fairly well balanced as presented; however as the forfeit from pro inherently terminated the debate, and given the rules, I feel it unfair to penalize con for not posting the debate round as he was waiting for pro to return.

As a result: I will invoke the forfeit rule to merit the loss. Arguments to con, but this was a good debate by both.

Note: I would be interested in seeing what the types replies were!

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

1/2 forfiet, neither side convinced me