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Life is created by God

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Round 1
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Page 50 of the book of nature says this



the philosopher beholding now,as the prophet beheld formerly,that the almighty architect has literally
adjusted everything by weight and measured the waters meted out the heavens accurately comprehended the dust of the earth, "weighed he mountains in scales and the hills in a balance

this is what god did with the solar system

The sun is 400 times bigger then the moon and 400 times farther away from the earth making them both the exact size from the viewpoint of earth. he measured this.
the Moon is 1/400th the size of the Sun, and at 1/400th its distance, enables educational perfect eclipses
the moon is 27.3 the size of the earth

And as staggering as it may seem, the circumference of the Moon is 27.322% that of the circumference of the Earth!

it takes the moon 27.3 days to orbit around the earth

It takes 27.322 days for the Moon to fully orbit the Earth. That means that 366 orbits of the Moon around the Earth take an absolutely even 10,000 days!


The number 27.322, which we have just observed is the number of days it takes the Moon to orbit the Earth is highly significant, both singly and in its multiplies  in the Earth, Moon, Sun relationship. For example, the Sun is exactly 109.288 times the size of the Earth - which is 4 X 27.322.

Even modern measuring systems were taken into account because the circumference of the Moon in kilometres is 10928.8 kilometres, which is 400 X 27.322. (And there is that '400' again, which you may recall is the number of times bigger the Sun is than the Moon.) 


Gravitational and inertial mass are numerically exactly the same.

The Whopping Physics Coincidence: NewScientist reports about gravity and acceleration that, "a large chunk of modern physics is precariously balanced on a whopping coincidence" for, regarding gravitational and inertial mass, "these two masses are always numerically exactly the same. The consequences of this coincidence are profound..."

There are the same numbers of electrons to protons.

- there is the same number of electrons as protons to a standard deviation of one in ten to the thirty-seventh power, that is, 1 in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (37 zeros)
- the 1-to-1 electron to proton ratio throughout the universe yields our electrically neutral universe

The guy in the article talks about how perfect this is.he uses an example.” so if we were to look at all the human beings on the earth and we found out that it was exactly 50 percent to 50 percent. Not to the nearest million or thousands but exactly one man for one woman. Out of 7 billion people in the world that would freak us all out.” We would be like who is counting us. But this is the case with protons and electrons exactly one proton for one electron. So who counted them out. It was God


stars rotate at the exact same rate as galaxy arms

“Thus, most stars located between spiral arms do not remain there for long, but would eventually be swept inside a spiral arm. Only at a certain precise distance from the galaxy's center, the "co-rotation radius," can a star remain in its place between two spiral arms, orbiting at precisely the same rate as the galaxy arms rotate around the core ( Mishurov, Y.N. and L. A. Zenina. 1999. Yes, the Sun is Located Near the Corotation Circle. Astronomy & Astrophysics 341: 81-85.). Why is it important that we are not in one of the spiral arms? First, our location gives us a view of the universe that is unobstructed by the debris and gases found in the spiral arms. “



everything i have said so far has been precise numbers

.The sun being 400 time bigger then the moon and 400 times farther away


the moon is 27.322 percent the size of the earth. it take the moon 27.322 days to orbit the earth

.There being the exact same number of protons as there are electrons



.Gravitational and inertial mass are numerically exactly the same.


.Stars rotate at the exact same rate as galaxy arms.







the sun and moon have been measured out.


The moon is 27.322% that of the circumference of the Earth!

It take the earth 27.322 days to orbit away from the earth.

What a huge coincidence I discovered this in the comments of a fellow
named Munatic



On this site. though Moonatic believe that the aliens created life. this still proves intelligent design


Moonatic • 7 years ago

"The moon is not a natural satellite. It's orbit is by intelligent design. The moon itself is clearly an intelligent design. There are no coincidences, just opportunities for the smart to be seperated from the stupid. It totally eclipses the sun...I mean...HELLO. The odds of that happening are flipping STUPIDLY improbable. Add to the fact the moon takes 27.3 days to orbit Earth and just so happens to be 27.3% the comparitive size of the earth!! YES, THAT'S RIGHT. READ IT AGAIN MORONS. I mean...wake up. The earth has 365/366 days to orbit the sun and yet it is 366% larger than our moon! I MEAN.....WTF"

He then goes on about aliens creating the universe but still. This proves life was created intelligently.


He is right

The moon itself is clearly an intelligent design. There are no coincidences, just opportunities for the smart to be seperated from the stupid. It totally eclipses the sun...I mean...HELLO. The odds of that happening are flipping STUPIDLY improbable. Add to the fact the moon takes 27.3 days to orbit Earth and just so happens to be 27.3% the comparitive size of the earth!! YES, THAT'S RIGHT. READ IT AGAIN MORONS
The the sun is 400 times bigger then the moon and is 400 times farther.


the moon and i quote
moon takes 27.3 days to orbit Earth and just so happens to be 27.3% the comparitive size of the earth!! YES, THAT'S RIGHT. READ IT AGAIN MORONS
.There being the exact same number of protons as there are electrons
he counted these out



.Gravitational and inertial mass are numerically exactly the same.


.Stars rotate at the exact same rate as galaxy arms.

etc


so will you be the stupid or the smart like moonatic says

just opportunities for the smart to be seperated from the stupid



Herbs

Since it takes a scientist years of thinking intelligence and knowledge to create drugs that heal people.The same kind of  thinking intelligence and knowledge would be needed to create medical herbs.


the fact that turmeric can go in the brain and repair damage done by schizophrenic medication is pure intelligence.



turmeric's antioxidants have been found to reverse the effects of damage caused by pharmaceuticals, particularly in the treatment of schizophrenia. Commonly-prescribed antipsychotics often cause involuntary muscle movements and severe behavioral changes



the apple when consumed feeds the good bacteria and not the bad. that is intelligence




sweet flag roots go up into the brain and fixes the part of your brain that deals with stuttering. that is intelligence




turmeric roots create new stem cells. that is intelligence.and revitalize neurons




are appendix attacks bad germs but is a safe house for good germs. that is intelligence





Now i do not believe that the apple is an intelligent life form.
We call are retarded people vegetables for Pete sake.
But i believe are Creator is intelligent
I believe god designed the apples to feed the good bacteria and not the bad.  Because he had knowledge that good bacteria is good and bad bacteria is bad




I believe it was god who designed sweet flag roots to go up into the brain and fix the part of the brain that deals with stuttering. He would have had to have knowledge of the brain in order to traverse it like that and would have to have knowledge on how to heal it in order to help the brain.


book of nature



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zedvictor4
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#2
Yep. Nice stuff.

Although a  whole lot of rounding up and down and assumed precision.

And if it were all true? Given the vastness of the universe and the consequently almost unlimited opportunity and likelihood of the perfect conditions arising purely by chance anyway.

Nonetheless a God is still only a human guess or assumption, based on an archaic mythology.

Things are as they are and things do as they do and as amazing as things may seem to us human observers, we still lack the knowledge to know exactly why.

Or if there is actually a why to be answered.

Provide the God and prove the theory. It's no good just assuming that circumstantial evidence must prove a God.

And why would an omni-sensible God create bad bacteria? 

And my opponents assumption that certain bacteria can be either good or bad, is just as human centred as the notion of a God is.

And of course, that's the reality as far as we know. 

Life created God.
Round 2
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crossed
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#3
Although a  whole lot of rounding up and down and assumed precision.

The 400 sun and moon can be seen to be inherently true. Given that they are both the exact same size from the viewpoint of earth.
though it is off by a couple inches because the moon is moving.

this article i found talks abut how the sun is 400 times larder then the moon and is 400 times farther away. it talks a great deal about the couple inches off because the person who wrote it is an atheist. but it admits the huge coincidence that it is

But as the aeons pass, and the moon gets ever farther from us, its apparent size in our sky will continue to grow smaller. Eventually, people on Earth won’t see total eclipses. All the solar eclipses will be annular, with the moon not quite big enough to cover the sun completely.
Bottom line: The sun’s diameter is about 400 times larger than that of the moon – and the sun is also about 400 times farther from Earth. So the sun and moon appear nearly the same size as seen from Earth. What are the odds?
Its a .org site so its spoken gospel


The real science radio people say that there is the exact same numbers of protons as there are electrons.


The same can be said of this.


Gravitational and inertial mass are numerically exactly the same.


This is exact. you can not round this. It is either the same rate or it is not


stars rotate at the exact same rate as galaxy arms

“Thus, most stars located between spiral arms do not remain there for long, but would eventually be swept inside a spiral arm. Only at a certain precise distance from the galaxy's center, the "co-rotation radius," can a star remain in its place between two spiral arms, orbiting at precisely the same rate as the galaxy arms rotate around the core ( Mishurov, Y.N. and L. A. Zenina. 1999. Yes, the Sun is Located Near the Corotation Circle. Astronomy & Astrophysics 341: 81-85.). Why is it important that we are not in one of the spiral arms? First, our location gives us a view of the universe that is unobstructed by the debris and gases found in the spiral arms


This is exact two


the moon is 27.322 percent the size of the earth. it take the moon 27.322 days to orbit the earth





Look these have been counted out measured out weighed out. the type of measurements one would do when building a house.

So when i say god did this with but with the solar system that is 100 percent correct




the philosopher beholding now,as the prophet beheld formerly,that the almighty architect has literally
adjusted everything by weight and measured the waters meted out the heavens accurately comprehended the dust of the earth, "weighed he mountains in scales and the hills in a balance
con said

Provide the God and prove the theory. It's no good just assuming that circumstantial evidence must prove a God.
These have been measured out and counted out i am not assuming anything. the chance of this happening by chance is 0.Its not happening

























And why would an omni-sensible God create bad bacteria? 

Because he wanted to test us. He wants to punish people. it would be boring otherwise. I mean he is god he could do hat he wants.





Nonetheless a God is still only a human guess or assumption, based on an archaic mythology.
The god of the bible is not human.

Things are as they are and things do as they do and as amazing as things may seem to us human observers, we still lack the knowledge to know exactly why.
Scientist are meausering stuff out and doing experiment there is more then just observations.




And my opponents assumption that certain bacteria can be either good or bad, is just as human centred as the notion of a God is.


Good bacteria fights off Bad bacteria. we have body parts like the appendix that help the good bacteria while driving off the bad bacteria. This means that the creator had  basic knowledge of stuff like good and evil and  then used that knowledge to design the body parts to utilize good bacteria and fight off bad bacteria.







definition of intelligence

intelligence
  • n.
    The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge.
  • n.
    The faculty of thought and reason.
  • n.
    Superior powers of mind. See Synonyms at mind.


God did one of the defention of applying knowledge when doing the appendix.



the creator had  basic knowledge of stuff like good and evil and  then used that knowledge to design the body parts to utilize good bacteria and fight off bad bacteria.

He did the applying knowledge in th quote abovre


apply knowledge.





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zedvictor4
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#4
Apologies:
But once again text lost at preview stage.
Not prepared to rewrite.
So will forfeit this Round.
Round 3
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