The UK is greater than France.
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There is 1 rule, you must agree on this definition of Great: "markedly superior in character or quality "
The definition is intentionally broad
The areas cited by Pro carry little weight because these things are where France and the UK are roughly equivalent.
UK: 2.936 trillion USD France: 2.845 trillion USD - Merely 3% difference.
Wealth per capita:
UK: ~210,000 USD France: ~207,000 USD - Merely 1% difference
Pro's data comes from the "world freedom index" which is but one of many freedom indices. On other freedom indices France is ranked higher than the UK (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Index_of_Moral_Freedom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index )
The UK and France are similarly influential. Both are members of NATO, the EU, nuclear weapons states and both are permanent UN security council members. Both have populations of ~67 million. France has greater cultural influence than the UK - https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/influence-rankings
France's soft power is similar to the UK's. France is even higher ranked in some lists. See - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_power#Measurement
Pro's source's ranking is based on "ranking through a yearly poll." This isn't an objective measurement. A more objective measurement provides the UK with an education score of 1500 and France with 1491. http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/education-rankings-by-country/ This is not a substantial difference.
UK: 1.20 France: 1.30 - This is not a substantial difference. The list goes from 0.00 to 61.80 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country
France's lack of oil reserves and exports is countered by its hydroelectric power. This is an everlasting natural resource and France produces 63 Twh of hydropower annually. France exports 42 Twh (net exports) of electricity annually, making it the world's largest exporter of electricity.
Both the French and British navies are comparable.
UK // France
Sailors 33,280 // 36,331
Submarines 10 // 9
Aircraft carriers 1 // 1
Amphibious assault ships 2 // 3
Destroyers 6 // 10
Frigates 13 // 11
Patrol boats 18 // 17
Survey vessels 4 // 5
Value of currency:
The relative strength of currencies has no impact on greatness. It is GDP and net wealth that matters. 1 Swiss Franc = 109 Japanese Yen, but Japan's economy and wealth are far more substantial than Switzerland's.
Tourism - Pro says the tourism advantage is unimportant, fragile and that Parisians are rude. Pro's statistic - 10% of GDP - suggests that tourism is important. The fragility claim is false. A 3 million drop is only a 4% reduction, and the tourists came back by 2017. That is resilience. https://u.nu/2-ah https://u.nu/49sh Rudeness isn't relevant.
Land access -
Prior invasions don't matter. France's neighbors are allies except Switzerland. These allies protect France. The water protecting is hardly better than having powerful allies as neighbors.
"France is the EU’s leading agricultural nation, accounting for more than one-fifth of the total value of output, and alone is responsible for more than one-third of the EU’s production of oilseeds, cereals, and wine. France also is a major world exporter of agricultural commodities, and approximately one-eighth of the total value of the country’s visible exports is related to agriculture and associated food and drink products." https://u.nu/qc-6 The value of mountains isn't farming. Pro dropped my points about size and the French Riviera.
Bad democracy -
Pro's source is GreenPeace. Nuclear has the lowest mortality rate per Twh; https://u.nu/szwh the lowest production cost; https://u.nu/f910 ) and doesn't contribute to climate change. Pro's claim that "Electricité de France [...] reported they would have to shut down 18 of their 58 reactors" is false. What happened was temporary outages at 18 plants. The article is 3 years old, and current figures from the IAEA indicate an improved situation. https://u.nu/0ox7 Pro's reference to Chernobyl isn't convincing. It was an isolated incident, and the reactor didn't have a containment structure, as western reactors do, which would have greatly mitigated the damages. https://u.nu/jgqy
Pro argues that the points I brought up aren't that important. This claim is baseless.