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The colors God chose to design animals with were made with intelligent choices

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TheRealNihilist
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I'm going to use google docs because pictures are worth 1000 words.

Round 1
Pro
Thanks for taking this. nice new profile pic btw.


Anyway here my argument.Pls if you do not understand pls tell me. Pictures tell a thousand words.


The seval has the same ear design on both ears. This is like if i was making a custom shirt and i make both the back of the shirt and the front of the shirt the same. So it would be proportionate. there is not advantage of having the same cool ear design on both ears. Similar to how there is no advantage of a tiger having stripes that cover the entire body. If evolution created life it would not be proportionate. the tiger would only have a couple stripes. not stripes that cover the entire body to make it proportionate. The only reason why this would be done is to keep it proportionate.If evolution created life designs would be random the stripes and poke dots on animals would look more like birthmarks. But they are all proportioned. Because god knew they would not look right if they were not proportioned.




Weasels are white during the winter to match the white snow.The coloring is an intelligent choice. God colored the weasel white to match the white snow.Similar to if i have a green table and i get a green chair to go with it.. The coloring was an intelligent choice. I got a green chair to match the green table.

Con
Thank you crossed for creating this debate.

X was created due to intelligent design would require an argument for it to be the case. My opponent did not give an argument instead simply stated what things are and said they are intelligent choices.


Weasels are brown during the summer and white during the winter.
God made many intelligent choices when creating the weasel.
The coloring was no accident. God created the weasel white to go with the white snow. So the coloring was an intelligent choice. God created the weasel white to match the white snow

His argument is that since the colors of the terrain match the animal it is proof for intelligent design. The problem here is that if we use this argument for something else as in the rapist color hair matches the victim color which shows a sign of God not existing then it wouldn't make any sense because colors of something is a non-sequitur unless of course there is something you have neglected to mention that links color to God. In order for my opponent to show color is a sign of intelligent design he must state there is an inherent link between the two. If he doesn't it goes against the resolution of the debate.

This is like how nintendo colored pikachu yellow because lightning bolts are yellow. The color they chose to design pikachu with was an intelligent choice. They created pikachu yellow to match yellow lightning

Okay lets say I agree with this. We can demonstrate that the creator of Nintendo thought of the idea while also finalizing it whereas we can't do the same. Do you have evidence of God coloring weasles? There is evidence for the creator of Pikachu not weasle coloring by God.


His right ears has the same exact design as his left ear. So much evidence for the jesus

(The second sentence made me laugh.)

Yes the ears are symmetrical but can you demonstrate it was from God?

Onto everything outside the link:

The seval has the same ear design on both ears. This is like if i was making a custom shirt and i make both the back of the shirt and the front of the shirt the same.

Difference is we can video tape the entire thing whereas we can't video tape God doing the same. We are lacking evidence and you have yet to state otherwise.

So it would be proportionate. there is not advantage of having the same cool ear design on both ears. Similar to how there is no advantage of a tiger having stripes that cover the entire body.

Don't understand please clarify.
 If evolution created life it would not be proportionate. the tiger would only have a couple stripes. not stripes that cover the entire body to make it proportionate. The only reason why this would be done is to keep it proportionate.If evolution created life designs would be random the stripes and poke dots on animals would look more like birthmarks. But they are all proportioned. Because god knew they would not look right if they were not proportioned.
"Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.[1][2] These characteristics are the expressions of genes that are passed on from parent to offspring during reproduction."

If Tiger's were failing because of their colors they would've become extinct a while ago. They are not extinct and since evolution is the case given fossil records your claim is invalid. 
Weasels are white during the winter to match the white snow.The coloring is an intelligent choice. God colored the weasel white to match the white snow.Similar to if i have a green table and i get a green chair to go with it.. The coloring was an intelligent choice. I got a green chair to match the green table.
We can demonstrate a person painting a table. We can't demonstrate God coloring Weasels that is the problems.

Over to you crossed

Round 2
Pro
point 1
Okay lets say I agree with this. We can demonstrate that the creator of Nintendo thought of the idea while also finalizing it whereas we can't do the same. Do you have evidence of God coloring weasles? There is evidence for the creator of Pikachu not weasle coloring by God.
No one at Nintendo ever said the reason why pikachu is colored yellow  is because lightning is yellow. The reason why we know they made the intelligent choice to color pikachu yellow to match the yellow lightning. Is because i noticed that Nintendo made an intelligent choice when designing Pikachu.I also noticed that God made the same intelligent choices when designing creatures. Weasels are brown during the summer and white during the winter. The white coloring was chosen intelligently. The reason why God chose to design the weasel white is so it would match the white snow.The reason why Nintendo colored pikachu yellow was to match the yellow lightning. If we need Nintendo to demonstrate that they made an intelgent choice when designing pikachu. How did i figure out that they made an intelligent choice when designing Pikachu.

point 1.2
His argument is that since the colors of the terrain match the animal it is proof for intelligent design. The problem here is that if we use this argument for something else as in the rapist color hair matches the victim color which shows a sign of God not existing then it wouldn't make any sense because colors of something is a non-sequitur unless of course there is something you have neglected to mention that links color to God


Cons example is invalid because no one in that situation made an intelligent choice.
Rapist hair color matches the hair of the victim example is invalid because no one made an intelligent choice when picking the hair colors.
But lets say the Rapist is crazy man and he dyes his hair  red to match his red haired victim. This example works because someone made an intelligent choice. The rapist is obsessed with his red haired victim so he makes an intelligent choice to dye his hair red to match his red headed victim. The reason why the coloring was an intelligent choice is because the color he choice to dye his hair was not random. He chose to dye his hair red to match  his victims red hair. He saw that his red headed victim  was red head and because he is Obsessed with her. He wanted to be just like her so he intelligently  chose to colored his hair red to match her red hair. Him coloring his hair red was an intelligent choice.





point 1.3

X was created due to intelligent design would require an argument for it to be the case. My opponent did not give an argument instead simply stated what things are and said they are intelligent choices.
I do have an argument just no one understands. I stated what things are and said these must have come to be by god making intelligent choices.

X was created due to intelligent design would require an argument for it to be the case.
X was created due to god making an intelligent choice.

Observation

Animals in the snow are colored white



How i think it came to be this way


God must have colored these animals white to match the white snow. He did not just color these animals randomly. he did not color them green or yellow. He made the intelligent choice to color the animals white to match the white snow. This is like if a race car driver has a green uniform so he decides to drive a green car to match the green uniform the color was an picked intelligently. Or if McDonald had a yellow building so they design the work uniform yellow to match the yellow building. The color was picked Intelligently.

point 2
His right ears has the same exact design as his left ear. So much evidence for the jesus

(The second sentence made me laugh.)

Yes the ears are symmetrical but can you demonstrate it was from God?
Only God would care about proportions.

Point 2.2
The seval has the same ear design on both ears. This is like if i was making a custom shirt and i make both the back of the shirt and the front of the shirt the same.
Con said
Difference is we can video tape the entire thing whereas we can't video tape God doing the same. We are lacking evidence and you have yet to state otherwise.


My reply

We can see the guy with the custom shirt made the same intelligent choice God made. Because they both came out the same. Showing the results of intelligent choices.The same design is on both sides of the shirt. The custom shirt designer must have created both sides the same so they match. Both Serval ears are the same. God must have created them both the same so they would match. They both made intelligent choices. They chose to design the second half the same as the first half. Is because they had knowledge that the first half is exactly the same.


Point 3

Don't understand please clarify.
The tiger stripe pattern would not cover entire body if life just appeared out of know where. The colors would be random to. only God would care if it was proportioned



Evolution fraud point 1
If Tiger's were failing because of their colors they would've become extinct a while ago. They are not extinct and since evolution is the case given fossil records your claim is invalid. 
They are not extinct because god colored them  intelligently. So they would survive not die.If we are not talking about tigers. tigers do not need advantages. so he did not design them with. Fossil record do not show animal fur color's. Plus evolution has more faked bones then real ones. They get caught on a lot of things

many scientists have fraudulently deceived the world by planting or reconstructing fossils which they would claim to be authentic finds. The most widely published evolution fraud was committed in China in 1999, and published in in the National Geographic

There worst then the Bigfoot people claiming to have found Bigfoot.Nope just another guy wearing a mask.


Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.[1][2] These characteristics are the expressions of genes that are passed on from parent to offspring during reproduction."
Why would being in the snow cause my genes to mutate and turned me white.
What is in the snow that causes my genes to mutate. I see no cause


Point 5

Weasels are white during the winter to match the white snow.The coloring is an intelligent choice. God colored the weasel white to match the white snow.Similar to if i have a green table and i get a green chair to go with it.. The coloring was an intelligent choice. I got a green chair to match the green table.
We can demonstrate a person painting a table. We can't demonstrate God coloring Weasels that is the problems.
We can observe that the painter made an intelligent choice without seeing them build it. We see the chair is green and the table is green. The logical conclusion is the painter made an intelligent choice and designed the green table green to match the green chair. We do not need to see the chair builder making the chair we can see the intelligent choices off the final product. We can observe god making intelligent choices.  We observe the weasel is white and the snow is white. God must have made an intelligent choice when designing the Weasel. He turned the weasel white to match the white snow. We do not need to see him make the weasel we can see that he did  by the design of the weasel itself.




Con
Thanks crossed for the response. 

point 1
I also noticed that God made the same intelligent choices when designing creatures.
Do you have anyway of demonstrating God doing anything or is it well this must be intelligent design instead of seeing God do something?

How did i figure out that they made an intelligent choice when designing Pikachu.
You used your brain which took a while to develop which was first sprung up from your parents conception of you. 

point 1.2

Rapist hair color matches the hair of the victim example is invalid because no one made an intelligent choice when picking the hair colors.
Then this would also mean weasels don't have the intelligent choice to choose their color which would mean you can't use them for your main argument instead of an example. Your argument has to show God doing something. You haven't done instead of saying rapist has x hair therefore God in a different context of course. You need to show God did this during x therefore God exists and God did this. 

point 1.3

I do have an argument just no one understands. I stated what things are and said these must have come to be by god making intelligent choices.
Double standard. You have not justified this special case you simply stated it to be one. Please next round justify it or compare it to other things to not make it a special case.

X was created due to god making an intelligent choice.
Can you demonstrate God making that choice?

How i think it came to be this way

God must have colored these animals white to match the white snow. He did not just color these animals randomly. he did not color them green or yellow. He made the intelligent choice to color the animals white to match the white snow. This is like if a race car driver has a green uniform so he decides to drive a green car to match the green uniform the color was an picked intelligently. Or if McDonald had a yellow building so they design the work uniform yellow to match the yellow building. The color was picked Intelligently.
You think it to be the case but you don't know. You even use must even without explaining as if the very thing we are arguing is simply agreed upon so we have nothing to argue about. You have to demonstrate why God must be the case but a much better way of arguing this is simply showing me evidence that God did do something.

point 2

Only God would care about proportions.
Now you are only applying some kind of thought God has? I can simply say here that I care deeply about proportions so much so that I have raised cats to be healthy. Am I now God or does proportions not matter when it comes to God doing something as in designing animals? 

Point 2.2

We can see the guy with the custom shirt made the same intelligent choice God made. Because they both came out the same. Showing the results of intelligent choices.The same design is on both sides of the shirt. The custom shirt designer must have created both sides the same so they match. Both Serval ears are the same. God must have created them both the same so they would match. They both made intelligent choices. They chose to design the second half the same as the first half. Is because they had knowledge that the first half is exactly the same.
The problem is that we can see a person doing that on a shirt. We can't see God doing something to anything. You can't compare these two for that reason.

Point 3

The tiger stripe pattern would not cover entire body if life just appeared out of know where. The colors would be random to. only God would care if it was proportioned
Any evidence? I am only getting your opinions.

Evolution fraud point 1

They are not extinct because god colored them  intelligently.
So you are telling me God cares enough about x animal enough to have them live longer while not caring as much for a dodo bird? Can you demonstrate it?

Fossil record do not show animal fur color's.
Fossil record are mainly bone so fur would have to be seen using other avenues.

Plus evolution has more faked bones then real ones. They get caught on a lot of things
many scientists have fraudulently deceived the world by planting or reconstructing fossils which they would claim to be authentic finds. The most widely published evolution fraud was committed in China in 1999, and published in in the National Geographic

There worst then the Bigfoot people claiming to have found Bigfoot.Nope just another guy wearing a mask.
The page doesn't even load for me. At best you are only discrediting one specific evolution finding. You would have to demonstrate this is used to show a consensus if not then showing this is useless because it is an anecdote.

Why would being in the snow cause my genes to mutate and turned me white.
What is in the snow that causes my genes to mutate. I see no cause
I don't know. I thought you were supposed to say something like God did it. Saying you see no cause does go against you defending God.

Point 5

We can observe that the painter made an intelligent choice without seeing them build it. We see the chair is green and the table is green. The logical conclusion is the painter made an intelligent choice and designed the green table green to match the green chair. We do not need to see the chair builder making the chair we can see the intelligent choices off the final product. We can observe god making intelligent choices.  We observe the weasel is white and the snow is white. God must have made an intelligent choice when designing the Weasel. He turned the weasel white to match the white snow. We do not need to see him make the weasel we can see that he did  by the design of the weasel itself.
Yet again using something we can someone do and we can't see something do. That is the problem. Until you address that I will have that problem because that is what stops your theory from being true. Evidence for that x occurring. 
Round 3
Con
Thanks crossed for the response. 

Link to crossed's response.

Yet again my opponent is still using the same argument. He is comparing what we can see to what we can't see. Given we have cameras and the internet we can pretty much see anywhere in the world yet we can't see God doing anything. That is the problem. We can see an artist paint but we can't see God create anything.

I have pretty much summed up every single grievance I have with my opponent in 2 lines. It was made possible by the very similar responses he made while also me picking it out.

I await a rebuttal to the problem. 

Over to you crossed