This site is elitist bullsh&t
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After 10 votes and with 54 points ahead, the winner is...
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- Six months
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Voting is a sacred right. Liberals probably feel anyone who vote for Trump is too stupid or evil to vote, Conservatives probably feel anyone who votes for Bernie or Warren is a commie and should be arrested. Yet we all get to vote as long we put down our guns or bombs for a moment. My voting rights were suspended because some ass here didnt like the way i was doing it. well f(**^ [email protected]
I dont understand how any fair minded person can set up a voting system then tell you you voted in a wrong way, talk about a kangaroo court situtation!QQ
If you look at a debate 3 days ago you would realize you have to talk about all the arguments to award the argument point. Talk about the sources in the sources points. Talk about conduct for the conduct point. The other votes are like what I said here.
>Reported Vote: Ragnar// Mod action: [Not Removed]
>Points Awarded: 5 points to con for arguments and sources
>Reason for Decision: see comments.
Reason for Mod Action>Arguments are sufficient; the voter surveys all the main arguments, weights them against each other, and reaches a conclusion.
Sources are also sufficient: the voter surveys sources, uses examples and shows how these source affected the individual arguments.
From this you can gather Ragnar was able to meet the standards of the vote.
If you want see his vote here it is.
>Reported Vote: Trent0405// Mod action: [Removed]
>Points Awarded: 3 points to or for arguments
>Reason for Decision: See above
Reason for Mod Action> I have gone back and forth on this one over the last few days: but ultimately my view is that this vote falls short of what can be considered borderline.
While the voter cites some examples from pros argument, it is not fully clear from the RFD why he weighted pros point more strongly than cons. In fact, these extra quotes muddy the water for why the voter felt pros arguments were better.
Likewise, there is little detail on why the voter rejected cons arguments on the grounds of relevance - though this alone would have simply made the vote borderline.
I will normally consider a vote to be borderline if only semantic or formatting changes are required; but I feel the explanation in the first portion of the RfD is sufficiently lacking in clarity to pass the borderline test.
From this you can gather you must talk about both arguments not just one.
>Reported Vote: PressF4Respect // Mod action: [Removed]
>Points Awarded: 3 points to pro for arguments
>Reason for Decision: "More convincing debater”
Reason for Mod Action>This vote is insufficient, To award arguments, the voter must (1) survey the main arguments and counterarguments in the debate, (2) weigh those arguments and counterarguments against each other, and (3) explain, based on the weighing process, how they reached their decision.
From this you realize the moderator has clearly stated what must be done in order to award points. If you simply look for this debate you would have found this out or you could've asked the moderators to know what would be going with their rules but you didn't which is why your vote was taken down.
>Reported Vote: WaterPhoenix // Mod action: [Removed]
>Points Awarded: 5 points to pro for arguments and sources, 1 point to pro for conduct.
>Reason for Decision: See above
Reason for Mod Action>none of the points are sufficient. The voters does not survey and weigh arguments, compare and assess sources and the impact they had in the debate (one side having no sources is not grounds for point allocation); not did the voter explain how the conduct was sufficiently toxic or severe to warrant conduct mark down.
To award arguments, the voter must (1) survey the main arguments and counterarguments in the debate, (2) weigh those arguments and counterarguments against each other, and (3) explain, based on the weighing process, how they reached their decision.
To award sources points, the voter must (1) explain how the debaters' sources impacted the debate, (2) directly assess the strength/utility of at least one source in particular cited in the debate, and (3) explain how and why one debater's use of sources overall was superior to the other's.
To award conduct points, the voter must (1) identify specific instances of misconduct, (2) explain how this misconduct was excessive, unfair, or in breach of the debate's rules, and (3) compare each debater's conduct.
You don't even know how to vote to even say something about the voting system. Please understand it before you criticize it. You are also in no position to critize because your vote was awful.
Here it is:
Better spelling and grammar
it came down to a debate on what best means
You gave me all the points for 10 words. Do you even understand how to vote or did you forget to ask the moderators because you accidentally pressed enter?
From this I can clearly understand if you really wanted to vote under the DA rules you would've asked the moderators or looked through debates. I also knew that your vote was awful even disregarding the rules of this site. 10 words is not enough to give one side the points for 4 different things.
your rules are absurd why should i have to explain why i voted a certain way? when you go to the polls you dont have to explain why you voted this way or that you vote as you please.. and dont you dare mention those stupid bloody rules any more, the rules used to say you could own slaves, and peole like you defended that [email protected]@!!
your rules are absurd why should i have to explain why i voted a certain way?
when you go to the polls you dont have to explain why you voted this way or that you vote as you please..
Polls use is to state who you are voting for not why. Voting here's purpose is to declare a winner and state why. Sorry typing in reasons is too much to ask for.
and dont you dare mention those stupid bloody rules any more, the rules used to say you could own slaves, and peole like you defended that [email protected]@!!
You can criticize the rules and I never said you couldn't. Please bring actual problems with the voting on this site instead of comparing it to slavery. I wouldn't defend slavery and I don't think I have said otherwise. These seems to me like you are against rules even though you are for the rule of voting? I would like an answer.
the law is an ass the law is a ass
Said of a law that one thinks is unnecessary or ridiculous. The phrase comes from Charles Dickens' novel Oliver Twist: "The law is a ass—an idiot." ... The law is an ass!
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Nothing informative has been added to the conversation.
I'll wait until the next round.
you fail to explain the rationale of your rules as if you dont have to
trust me you do now i'm here and i'm angry
you dont want that trust me
The burden was on you to demonstrate it was elitism. I countered your points sufficiently and you resort to well you didn't really counter my points. The problem here is that I did, you fail to bring up new points and we are here. Remember the round before where you could've given an actual argument instead resorted to a non-sequitur? That round and this round you failed to show how the site is "elitist bullsh&t". I have nothing to rebut.
convince me these rules even make sense
My job isn't to convince you of anything. It is to demonstrate how this site isn't "elitist bullsh&t". Given I have successfully rebutted your claims. Your sole burden is not fulfilled meaning you failed to show this site is well just read the title.
Thanks for the debate billbatard
Sure. I did check other debates at the time and found I like this one more than others.
I'm not saying you did anything wrong here, but would this be an example of Noob Sniping?
Your votes are not under review at this time. Pro offered no contest, so unless someone nitpicks, I don't generally care. That said, on any debate where there is a contest between them, please vote better (at least not adding excess categories to the vote without explanation).
BTW, I am trying to get a No Contest special case added to the COC, largely for debates like this, where you each already put in greater effective effort than one of the debaters.
If you have a problem with any vote, report it. As for Ram and myself having voted before them thus not seen them, that should be self explanatory...
I do see what you mean looking now. I'm not going to report them because I don't think their votes are likely to have any impact in the outcome, so it would be a waste of everyone's effort; doubly so with pro having made a case that people should just ignore the rules and vote however they want.
Wow, no one, not even the two mods who voted, saw or reported the last two votes with no RFD. Hilarious.
Not saying who is right or wrong but pros arguments were weak...
Rules used to say you could have slaves... rules also say you cant murder people willy nilly. Clearly rules are not bad just because they are rules, but because of their individual justifications.
Pro used an example of a bad rule to descredit rules in general, which ignores all the good rules that we should be glad exists. He never questioned the specifics of the rules, just their existence. Thats a fail.
Does pro think we should also have secret voting and let trolls ruin this site in the name of blind idealism?