Instigator / Pro
0
1553
rating
24
debates
56.25%
won
Topic
#146

0.999 repeating equals 1

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
0
Better sources
0
0
Better legibility
0
0
Better conduct
0
0

After not so many votes...

It's a tie!
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
2
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
0
1697
rating
556
debates
68.17%
won
Description

No information

nerds

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@3RU7AL

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>Reported vote: 3RU7AL // Moderator action: Removed<

1 point to Pro (conduct), 3 points to Con (arguments). Reasons for voting decision: Argument points awarded to CON for round one, "1 - 0.9r = 0.0r1 =/= 0.0r" and round two "0.9r9 is as irrational a number as 0.0r1. Just because the string of infinite 9s ends in a 9 doesn't at all make it less irrational. The number being the same as those preceding it doesn't make it any less attainable..." and CON directly addresses the debate resolution at the end of round two with, "...0.0r(ending in a 1) is an actual number and therefore the difference between 0,9r and 1 is real." I find these arguments to be logically consistent as well as persuasive. Argument points not awarded to PRO for round one arguments detailed as 1, 2, and 3. PRO defeats their own resolution with their argument 1 "x = 0.9r" and "10x = 9.9r". PRO's logic fails to be persuasive on argument 2 with, "1 - 0.9r = 0.0r = 0 ergo 1 = 0.9r" which implicitly relies on the assumption that there is no remainder at all, which would rely on rounding the remainder to zero, which contradicts their point for argument 1 which would (for example only) presumably be 10 - 10x =/= 0. PRO's logic fails to be persuasive on argument 3 with, "But this can't be done because the 9's go on infinitely. You would have to get past the 9's to fit the 5. You can't get past the 9's." because, (for example only) in mathematics, infinity plus one has meaning for the hyperreals, and also as the number ?+1 (omega plus one) in the ordinal numbers and surreal numbers (wiki). Conduct points awarded to PRO for dispassionate attention to the topic. Conduct points not awarded to CON for the round one comment, "This is a lie." which I believe constitutes an ad hominem attack on PRO.

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[*Reason for removal*] (1) This vote fails to meet the criteria for awarding conduct points. In non-forfeit debates, to award conduct, one debater must have been excessively rude, profane, or unfair, or broke the debate rules. The voter merely points to a sentence "this is a lie," which is (a) not an ad hominem attack and (b) does not meet these criteria. (2) Arguments are insufficiently explained. The voter merely quotes pieces of text of debaters and calls them persuasive or unpersuasive, without analyzing the clash that occurred in the debate, explaining *why* the arguments were persuasive, or engaging in any kind of weighing analysis. All the analysis that the voter *does* make is analysis which is not mentioned by Con in the debate, and is merely the voter engaging in judge intervention.
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@Mhykiel
@Death23

I am not trolling and other than his/her conduct vote, 3RU7AL wasn't trolling either.

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@3RU7AL

Your vote strikes me as insufficient on the award of arguments points. It only references round 1 arguments. The only comment on Con's arguments were "and CON directly addresses the debate resolution at the end of round two with" and "I find these arguments to be logically consistent as well as persuasive." Your rejection of Pro's arguments was based solely on your own arguments which did not appear in the debate. No reference to Con's arguments is found within your rejection of Pro's arguments.

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@3RU7AL

In your vote you have no idea what an irrational number is.

An infinite series of 9 followed by a 1 is an impossible number. Being an infinitely repeating decimal does not make it irrational. In fact .9r is NOT an irrational number. It is a rational number.

Your vote is factually wrong.

RationalMadman must be trolling.

Does he really think the only way to multiply by 10 is to add a zero. When moving the decimal point over one space along an infinite series of 9's is perfectly logical mathematically sound way of doing so.

He hasn't argued using any legitimate math. Must be trolling for a laugh.

Toodaloo

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@Death23

I will correct this in round 2.

0.9r05 is in between 0.9r9 and 1