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Topic
#1625

Without the contact between the New and Old Worlds, the New World may still be living in the past

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
3
Better sources
2
2
Better legibility
1
1
Better conduct
1
1

After 1 vote and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

oromagi
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
5,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
7
1922
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117
debates
97.44%
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Description

Definitions:

New World (West) - North and South America
Old World (East) - Europe, Asia, and Africa

Explanation:

Hypothetically speaking, if the West had never contacted the East in any way, shape, or form, then their civilization would likely never change. Remember, this is only hypothetical!

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@DynamicSquid

You're welcome.

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@SirAnonymous

Ah, I see your point. I'll keep that in mind for next time.

Thanks for the advice!

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@DynamicSquid

When your opponent rephrases your premise in a way that gives you a higher burden of proof than your premise requires, you need to challenge it and stick to your premise. Had you done so, you would have won this debate.

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@oromagi

Good debate man, had fun. Also did you get my reference?

CON's R3 links to sources

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-diversity-makes-us-smarter/
https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-mound-people/Content?oid=902673
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaco_Culture_National_Historical_Park#Ancestral_Puebloans
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Native-American/Native-American-history
https://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/hconres331.pdf
https://teachinghistory.org/history-content/ask-a-historian/24099
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pre-Columbian_inventions_and_innovations_of_indigenous_Americans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas#Writing_systems
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas#Agriculture

This debate is looking splendid!

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@oromagi

I hope I interpreted your name right...

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@DynamicSquid

Yes, PROB = problem. I try to keep abbrs to the obv but one man's obv = another man's wtf. In this context the ref is PROBs w/ the resolution. I think you addressed all 5 concerns pretty directly & succinctly in R2 for which you have my thanks.

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@oromagi

Quick question, what's a "PROB"? Are you referring to problems in my speech, or just key ideas for the debate?

CON's R2 links to sources:

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/major
https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/technology
https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/advancement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll
https://books.google.com/books?id=vSCra8jUI2EC&pg=PA137&lpg=PA137&dq=if+England+had+been+the+size+of+the+Triple+Alliance,+it+would+have+executed,+on+average,+about+7,500+people+per+year&source=bl&ots=p1DCa3umoH&sig=ACfU3U1y3JXTRrGjdO18zL71GEDU4HhkZA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi6nfj5l-jlAhWCu54KHekqDK0Q6AEwA3oECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=if%20England%20had%20been%20the%20size%20of%20the%20Triple%20Alliance%2C%20it%20would%20have%20executed%2C%20on%20average%2C%20about%207%2C500%20people%20per%20year&f=false
https://xefer.com/text/cabezadevaca
https://books.google.com/books?id=tfyKg4rTGocC&pg=PA468&lpg=PA468&dq=In+the+memory+of+people+I+doubt+there+is+record+of+another+highway+comparable+to+this,+running+through+deep+valleys+and+over+high+mountains,+through+piles+of+snow,+quagmires,+living+rock,+along+turbulent+rivers&source=bl&ots=itYhL57xzN&sig=ACfU3U0-5n7quBwmPuEmofagTkTgeGS9Fg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjbna_Ap-jlAhUKrp4KHZPhAL8Q6AEwAHoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=In%20the%20memory%20of%20people%20I%20doubt%20there%20is%20record%20of%20another%20highway%20comparable%20to%20this%2C%20running%20through%20deep%20valleys%20and%20over%20high%20mountains%2C%20through%20piles%20of%20snow%2C%20quagmires%2C%20living%20rock%2C%20along%20turbulent%20rivers&f=false

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@DynamicSquid

fret not

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@oromagi

Hey, just a quick heads up, I kinda ran out of space for my Contacts arguments, so I might elaborate on that in my next speech. Also sorry for the confusion about the topic.

Good luck!

CON's R1 links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_potato#Origin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact_theories#Peruvian_mummies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel

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@Barney

Ah, gotcha.

So I just have to prove the resolution is true, and that would be my BoP

Oromagi just has to prove that the resolution isn't true, or disprove all my points, and that would be his BoP

So do I have to say in my speech what my BoP is?

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@DynamicSquid

You're doing well so far. And FYI...
Excerpts from https://tiny.cc/DebateArt

---Burden of Proof---
In each debate there are three sides, each with their own Burden of Proof (BoP).
>Pro has a duty to provide adequate evidence prove (or strongly imply) the resolution.
>Con has a duty to attempt to disprove (or cast strong doubt upon) the resolution, be that by providing direct evidence against it, or refuting all the evidence provided by pro.
>Voters have duties both to show they read the debate, and they are not merely voting in favor of pre-existing bias.

---Writing A Strong Resolution---
The topic is usually synonymous with resolution (if not, clarify in the detailed description).
Be precise to the debate you wish to have, and ideally make it a single clause statement.

If a resolution contains multiple clauses, pro has not met BoP until each are supported.
If the clauses would support each other, pick one for the resolution, and use the other(s) as supporting contentions.

The difficulty in proving the resolution ties both to the topic, and any qualifier statements included within the resolution. Absolutes (words like "always" and "never") are most hard to prove, complete uncertainties (words like "maybe" and "possible") are least hard to prove.

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@Barney

I don't even know what a Burden of Proof is, nor how to use one xD

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@DynamicSquid

You have a pretty low BoP with how the resolution is worded, so just make a meaningful case and you stand a fair chance.

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@oromagi

I'm scared. I'm debating against #1...

the only reason the rest of the world has 21st century technology internet jets tv medicine , none of that would exist outside of europe