Instigator / Pro
38
1443
rating
11
debates
22.73%
won
Topic
#1715

Abortion Should Be Illegal

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
15
27
Better sources
16
18
Better legibility
7
9
Better conduct
0
9

After 9 votes and with 25 points ahead, the winner is...

Username
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
One week
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
63
1593
rating
9
debates
77.78%
won
Description

Definition:
Abortion Should Be illegal - The deliberate termination of a human pregnancy should be lawfully federally illegal and banned.
I as Pro will waive Round 1. You as Con will begin your argument in round 1.

np mate

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@Vader

Thanks for the vote supa

Getting my votes in and comment

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@DynamicSquid

Thank you for voting on this!

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@Username

no problem

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@RationalMadman
@whiteflame

Thank you for voting!

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@Barney
@Pinkfreud08
@Patmos
@Singularity

Thanks to all voters!

FYI, another moderator might rule differently, but to me this is in essence a FF. Pro waived R1, making his R2 effectively his R1, and forfeited thereafter.

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@AKmath

How are the args coming? Idk if you read your pms

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@AKmath

u runnin outta time!

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@AKmath

This isn't me, but some people are pro choice exclusively because setting the kid up for adoption messes up the kid. What's your response to this?

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@AKmath

Reminder that since you haven't contested the structure you should rebut my opening case in R3 and nothing more. Don't worry about what I just posted until next round.

Playing pro-choice devil's advocate in this debate has really helped me realize how crappy the pro-choice arguments are.

Almost thereeeee

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@Username

Less than a day now!

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@Username

Okay, thanks!

Yep. I'm going to try to finish my case tonight.

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@Username

Just letting you know you have about a day left.

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@dustryder
@bmdrocks21

I think donating part of your liver is harder than donating blood. I mean, if that's the option someone wants to take to save another life (which they would have to do if they committed or were responsible for an abortion), then fine, but I think most people would rather donate some blood than part of their liver. How does bone marrow, semen, and hair save someone's life? I can see how breast milk would, but I don´t think feeding someone, even if that someone is a baby should count as saving their life. People always find ways to obtain food and a newborn can nurse from someone able and willing or can use baby formula.

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@AKmath

Do you understand how debates work? I asked for a week to argue because I needed a week to construct a good case and you said yes to that - I'm very busy this week and will need every minute of that time.

I have 0 intention of forfeiting, be patient. Debates aren't about making quick arguments, they're about making good ones.

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@Username

Is this debate coming anytime soon or would you like to forfeit? This has been taking an awful amount of time.

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@Username

Only mother's life. Not rape or incest.

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@AKmath

Do you support abortion in the case of rape, incest, or danger to the mother's life?

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@bmdrocks21

My thoughts exactly. There are plenty of renewable human parts or byproducts and it's not as if we need to limit this legislation to just organs. For example, hair, bone marrow, breast milk and semen also have applicable uses that can be readily harvested and replenished from humans. And ultimately the cost for doing so is less than what the punishment should be for the murder of other human beings. It's a win-win

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@dustryder

Your liver grows back and you can donate part of it ;)

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@dustryder

Since I think everyone who can be an organ donor should be required to be an organ donor, I don't think organs can be used as an alternative to blood donation, unless it's a kidney, which donating a kidney is probably harder than donating 480 ml of blood. Even if you disagree with this, 1 organ donor can save only 8 lives, and under this system, to be an abortion doctor, you have to save a life for every abortion you perform. This only enables a doctor to perform 8 abortions in their life. The rest of the abortions would have to be paid for by donating blood unless there is a better idea.

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@AKmath

I would only have murderers, rapists, and abortion doctors donate blood to different degrees. 60,000 people die per year because they can't get enough blood. I figured these lives and others internationally can be saved by forcing bad people to donate blood. I think if the felon's blood is safe, then it can be donated, some felons have unusable blood, some do. I wouldn't say that donating blood is something anyone wants to do; they merely tolerate it in an effort to save up to 3 people. If an STD prevents a felon from donating blood, then I would treat that STD in order to obtain the blood if possible. It helps the felon, but it's better than the alternative of getting no blood from them. I don't think abortion doctors would drop significantly. They would probably be fine with donating blood every 3 months as part of their regulation, especially if it prevents Roe V Wade from getting overturned because even if your pro life, the notion that they would be saving a life for every one they take would make them fine with abortions under such situations.

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@AKmath

It doesn't have to be just blood. We can extend the feasibility long-term by mandating the donation of various organs such as kidneys, the liver, corneas and what have you. We would massively improve the health outcomes of those waiting for organs, while discouraging abortions at the same time

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@bmdrocks21

It is good for me. Exactly the point. I was trying to say that having abortion doctors be blood donors isn't feasible longterm as the drop will be very large very quickly.

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@AKmath

A 99% drop in abortion doctors would be good for you, though, wouldn't it?

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@Alec

I don't understand this obsession with you. What is it with you and donating blood? It's not a problem. As much as the Red Cross advertises, what they say simply isn't true. The US doesn't just run out of blood in the Winter. The US consistently donates enough blood to give to these Americans that need it. Now there is usually never a surplus of sorts, but it's not like we're on dry of it. And btw, felons can't donate blood. Felons can lose the privilege to donate blood because of the potential health risks that blood recipients face from felons who have been incarcerated and exposed to serious conditions like hepatitis from unsafe tattoo, sex, or possible IV drug usage. Now I understand that most abortion doctors don't do those things, but it's hard to implement your blood donating thing on a very few people every year. And you could only sustain it for so long, as I'm positive the amount of abortion doctors would drop by ~99% in max 5 years.

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@bmdrocks21

My solution would be to hire more doctors so the doctors can only perform abortions every 45 days so they can keep up with it from a blood standpoint. 1 pint of blood saves 2 people. The doctors in the meantime would be doing other things that are bipartisan, like contraception, STD testing, etc.

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@Alec

I was referring to the doctors that do multiple abortions a week. :P

Not the actual amount of blood taken.

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@bmdrocks21

It´s 240 ml of blood. People often donate a 480 ml of blood and they don´t pass out. The doctors won't be likely to pass out if others can donate double the blood and survive with only minor temporary effects.

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@Alec

Lol, some doctors will start passing out from blood loss.

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@AKmath

I didn't get the reply. What if the doctor just donated enough blood to save someone else (240 ml)? An eye for an eye; you take a life, you save a life. The left might agree to it too.

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@Alec

Did I not already answer this? The mother and doctor would go to prison on charges of murder for most likely a life-sentence (maybe not for the mother but certainly for the doctor). Abortion is murder and murderers go to prison.

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@AKmath

Everything that is banned needs a punishment, otherwise what's the point of making it illegal. Would you punish abortion?

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@AKmath

yep gimme 1 day. Like I said I need time.

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@Username

Would you like to accept this one? No, the first one was deleted for some reason other than me doing it. I did cancel the one I sent to you because you didn't accept it. WIll you accept this one?

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@AKmath

A glitch? Didn't you challenge me and delete it?

Sorry guys,
A glitch of some sort happened with the my previous debate on this topic, but now it's back.