Modern Western values owe more to Enlightenment philosophy than to religion.

I thank my opponent for accepting this debate. Best of luck!
Many people believe that religious faith is the very foundation that society is based on. In particular, that Western society is based on the Christian faith and the Hebrew traditions it derives from. Conservatives and traditionalists have used this idea to push some alarmist rhetoric. Because attendance at religious services, and religious affiliation in general, has been declining in the West, these alarmists warn that once religion is gone, society will be overwhelmed by moral depravity, and ultimately collapse. Reactionary thinkers such as Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, and Dennis Prager have all given messages like this.
I will admit that religion has played a role in shaping society. In fact, religion ruled over the Western mind for well over a thousand years. But things began to shift in the 18th century, when thinkers like Locke, Montesqieu, Rousseau, Voltaire, Newton, Hume, Diderot, Paine, Kant, and many more began a conversation about how society can be made better. They saw that religion was no perfect guiding light for civilization, but often hindered free thought, punished so-called heretics and dissenters, stifled the blooming Scientific Revolution, and failed to stop man’s sinful and violent impulses. The Enlightenment thinkers were of course diverse and disagreed with each other on many things, but most could generally agree on this: governments should serve people, respect their rights, and not persecute those who hold different beliefs. We take this for granted now, but at the time these were radical ideas. We hear of no such ideas in the Bible, and Europe for 1400 years until that point was a theocratic nightmare that censored free thought, persecuted non-Christians and those considered the wrong kind of Christian, and stamped on human rights in a way that would make the modern Middle East shudder. Only after the Enlightenment did tolerance and liberalism begin to spread. I will now describe what I see as the three main pillars of modern Western civilization - science, democracy, and humanism - and describe why each of these pillars owes a lot to the Enlightenment and little to religion.
Science
We have much easier lives, comparatively, than ever before in human history. This is all thanks to the advances of science. The Enlightenment fostered a Scientific Revolution, and among their thinkers were some of the greatest scientists of all time: Newton, Leibniz, Halley. They promoted science as a way to improve the human condition, and that it did. We have made advances in medicine, food production, architecture, communication, and technology that were unimaginable in those times. Science has shaped the world we live in today. And it would not have been possible without the Enlightenment’s steadfast commitment to reason, logic, and rational, empirical thought. Even the non-scientists among us believe in the ideal of searching for truth and understanding. Thanks to this search, we know more about the universe than ever before.
But this was not always the West’s ideal. From the time of Constantine until the Enlightenment, the Christian religion has notoriously repressed, censored, and even persecuted scientific thought. The Enlightenment thinkers believed in following the truth wherever it led - the Church wanted to contort all the facts to fit into the current belief system. Free thought has no place in a Christian society. The Catholic Church persecuted Galileo for saying that the Earth moved around the Sun, arguing that this went against the Biblical story of Joshua, who supposedly stopped the Sun from moving. The Catholic Church only changed this stance in *1822*, 200 years later. Only when heliocentric theory was completely undeniable, the Church changed its mind, long after even the common people had. The same fight would be repeated with evolution, and other issues I won’t be getting into. Christianity has not fostered science or rational thought, but has fought against it every step of the way, moving the goalposts when necessary.
It’s a miracle that science was able to succeed under the intolerant eye of the Church. But I have no doubt that the Enlightenment’s secular revolution was an essential step in achieving our modern scientific miracles.  And if it weren’t for religion, perhaps science would be at an even higher and greater level in 2020.
Democracy
An even more essential pillar of the West is democracy. The right of the people to have a say in government is taken by most of us as obvious. Any non-democratic state is rightly considered unjust and tyrannical. If we want to trace that idea back to its origins, we would arrive at the Enlightenment. It was the brilliant John Locke who best argued for democracy, human rights, and toleration in an intolerant world. The Founding Fathers of the American Revolution based their new government largely on his writings - and made sure to separate church and state. And after the French Revolution, the ideal of democracy began to spread throughout the West, throwing off the old chain of monarchy. I will not say that this ideal has been perfectly lived up to. Indeed, many atrocities have been committed in the name of so-called democracy. But this is a marked improvement over what came before, and now we are closer than ever to the Enlightenment ideal of a society in which all people are given a say.
If you open up the Bible and look for passages about democracy, you will find not a peep. This is to be expected, as it was composed in an ancient, theocratic world. But it’s curious that we’re supposed to accept Judeo-Christian values as the very foundation of Western civilization when the most celebrated part of it, democracy itself, is nowhere to be found in the sacred texts. Indeed, religion was often used as a tool to argue against democracy when it was still in the cradle. The absolute power of monarchs was taken as “the divine right of kings”, and defended with pro-monarchy Biblical passages, of which there are many. When the French Revolution kicked in, calling for radical ideas like equality and self-government, the Church denounced it, branding it anti-religious. Only when democracy was a solid reality in the West did Christianity accept it, and in some cases, feebly tried to claim that they invented it first. Christian thought is now perfectly accepted and tolerated in the democratic West, though the Church did not extend democratic thinkers the same courtesy back when they were in power.
Humanism
Humanism, in my opinion, is the prime and greatest pillar of Western culture. The word has some stigma attached to it, and is often misrepresented. It is not some kind of blind worship of humanity, or extolling humans as gods. Humanism is defined as “An outlook or system of thought attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters.” [1] Most people in the West, even those who are religious, find human matters more important than the supernatural. We see the goodness in people, and extend our empathy to our fellow humans, even those from very different cultures and parts of the world. Humanism budded in the Renaissance, but only in the Enlightenment did it fully bloom. Humanism is the cornerstone of the idea of human rights, of freedom of speech and thought and assembly and worship. Only by occupying ourselves with our fellow people, and not with gods, demons, fairies, or ridiculous nationalist ideologies, can we make the world a better place.
Fundamentalist Christian thought, as it was before the Enlightenment and afterward in some stubborn sects, is thoroughly anti-humanist. Thanks to original sin, humans are inherently depraved, wicked, disgusting creatures. There is no point in trying to improve a world corrupted by sin. The medieval worldview held that life is nothing more than “a vale of tears”, a blip of suffering before eternal judgment in the afterlife. With a worldview like that, what is the point in trying to progress or help humanity at all? It is a worldview that obsesses over death and rejects life. I will admit that many of Jesus’ teachings are wonderful examples of humanism, but Christians have been notoriously bad at following them throughout history. In any case, the human rights we cherish today were not spoken of anywhere in the Bible, and instead derive back to Enlightenment thought.
These three ideals, science, democracy, and humanism, are three main pillars of Western culture. Religion has attempted to suppress these ideals from the start, and without the Enlightenment’s revolt against religious supremacy, we probably wouldn’t have them. In his rebuttal, I ask my opponent to either deny the importance of each of these pillars, or argue that they owe more to religion than to the Enlightenment. And of course, give any additional points he wishes.
I now hand the floor to my opponent for his opening argument.

First off, I am going to kind of concede about religion not being the foundation of Western Civilization. But my reason is not going to be what Pro is expecting. My reason for saying this is that religion did indeed keep the West in a Dark Age for several centuries. The Bible, on which Christianity should be based, was largely hidden and rejected during the Dark Ages. The Catholic Church prevented the people from reading the Bible and much less from owning one. To do so was to be tortured until you recanted or were burned at the stake. The Bible actually condemn religion throughout the history in it. So I wouldn't say that religion will destroy our country, for there is still plenty of it. But the lack of following the Bible will as promised in its sacred pages.
Next, I want to add that Catholicism was the dominant "Christian" religion for centuries. However, most of its teachings then, and now, are contrary to what the Bible says. Catholicism was and still is a religion where man is the authority, not God and His Word. If Pro wants to debate on that after this debate I would be more than happy to oblige.
Let me briefly comment on the 18th century. During this century there had been already a building up of free thinking starting in the 15th century with the distribution of the Bible. Indeed the most Protestant country, the Netherlands, was the most free thinking country 150 years before England. Then you gave a long list of thinkers of who most based their thinking on what they had read in the Bible. Locke, Newton and Kant were Protestant Christians who believed, studied and promoted the reading of the Bible. Montesquieu was against organized religion, but advocated the true principles found in the Bible (who can blame is dislike for Catholicism, the most oppressive and controlling religion).1 Thomas Paine considered himself a deist, but saw the Bible as a book with eternal truths.2 A Biblical Christian will also be against organized religion, for organized religion can be oppressive and lead people away from what the Bible says. In fact some of these men studied a trilogy of freedom written by three Hougonouts in the 16th century. These are Francogallia, Rights of Magistrates and Vindiciae Contra Tyrannos which used the Bible to expound their ideas on liberty (I might get more into it later).
Science
The pioneers of science (Newton, Spinoza, Bacon, Barrow, Boyle, Kepler and many others) were motivated to study science by a belief that God had created a natural, ordered universe governed by natural laws He had put in place. They reached this conclusion due to the fact that they could finally read the Bible for themselves. 
Indeed, the Catholic Church did not follow Biblical science. Instead it relied heavily on Aristotelian science. For example Galileo. Galileo actually read the Bible and he argued in his Letter to Castelli that Copernicus's heliocentric system was consistent with the Bible, "I say that this passage [Joshua and the sun standing still] shows clearly the falsity and impossibility of the Aristotelian and Ptolemaic world system, and on the other hand agrees very well with the Copernican one"3 and then he goes on to explain why. He basically is saying that Joshua's perspective on earth was that the sun stood still in the sky, but not that that is what happens. So Galileo actually defended the Biblical teaching of science against the Aristotelian science the Catholic Church was using. (As a side note: Pro probably would say that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, but no one would accuse him of believing in geocentricity).
Though the Catholic Church persecuted some scientists like Galileo the Catholic Church burned more Bibles, Bible translators and theologians that scientists and science books. While Galileo was put under house arrest, William Tyndale was hanged and burned at the stake.
While the Catholic Church submerged Europe in the Greek philosophy of science leaving a Dark Age, the Reformation brought true science to a place of prominence. Indeed, up to sixty percent of those who created science were "devout" Christians while the rest were "conventional" ones. Europe had to break the chains that Plato and Aristotle had placed on science and see science as an objective study of the laws of nature established by the Creator God of the Bible.
It is nihilistic to believe, as most scientists today do, that there are no possible answers to the "big questions", and that we can only have knowledge that is discovered by science. However, the pioneers of science did not think this way. They could study small things because God had already answered the "big question". They believed God had already written answers in nature and they only had to discover what hadn't been revealed.
It is interesting to note that Evolution has a Greek view of science established by Aristotle and Plato that had sunk the world into a Dark Age.
Democracy
I do not know where Pro gets the idea that Locke and the Founding Fathers of the US advocated for democracy. (If Pro is a Democrat I understand why he says that.) Last I checked they all denounced democracy in the strongest terms as being a place where the rabble could take control of government. Instead these men advocated for Republican forms of government. 
I am glad that Pro brought up "the divine right of kings" and its connection to religion because I am going to contradict him by saying that the idea of "divine right of kings" is against the Bible and I will use none other than Thomas Paine's' Common Sense to prove it. When talking about the originating of kings Paine says,
"Government by kings was introduced by the Heathens, from whom the children of Israel copied the custom. It was the most prosperous invention the Devil ever set on foot for the promotion of idolatry. The Heathens paid divine honors to their deceased kings, and the Christian World hath improved on the plan by doing the same to their living ones. How impious is the title of sacred Majesty applied to a worm, who in the midst of his splendor is crumbling into dust ! As the exalting one man so greatly above the rest cannot be justified on the equal rights of nature, so neither can it be defended on the authority of scripture; for the will of the Almighty as declared by Gideon, and the prophet Samuel, expressly disapproves of government by Kings."
Then Paine continues expounding the idea for many pages. His conclusion is that kings are just as much sinners as the common man, so why should he get to command all others.
While Pro gives credit to Enlightenment he doesn't mention the Magna Carta or the Netherlands who stripped kings of rights and gave the people more of a say in government long before John Locke. Let us look at some books on freedom written by Hougonouts that influenced John Locke and Montesquieu. Their books are called the trilogy of freedom. Francogallia was written by Francois Hotman. In this book Hotman says that kings are responsible for to their people for their conduct while in power and that the people should have a right to remove them when violating their duties. He argued that a king should not have the sole power in administering the government, but that the government should be divided in "Three Estates". He considered this assembly the center of government not just to act as counsel for the ruler. He further says that the Bible should be what the rule of law should rely on. Theodore Beza's The Right of Magistrates was one of the original sources for the idea of human rights. Beza said that the peoples first duty is to defend the kingdom even if it meant going against the king. God, he said, was interested in people first and if the king was violating his people rights then the people should depose him. Why is this so? Because human rights come from God and not man. Therefore, no king had the authority from God to violate human rights. The third book, Vindiciae Contra Tyrannos, used the example of King Josiah. When he was crowned king he made a covenant between himself and God to obey Him, followed by a pact between him and the people. If the King stopped obeying God, then the people had the right to depose him.
While the Founding Fathers rejected one established religion, they were not opposed to the Bible being the foundation of society and politics. 
John Adams: Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopia – what a Paradise would this region be!"
 
Humanism
Pro contradicts himself by saying that Jesus taught humanism yet humanism didn't begin until the Enlightenment. What? I also what to mention that the "Enlightenment Founders", if you will, were very divided on man. Locke, Montesquieu and the American Founding Fathers (also many scientists like Newton and Boyle) believed in the depravity of man and encouraged the Bible to be taught so that man could know what God demanded from His creation. While Voltaire and Rousseau rejected the Bible and became atheists or close to it.
 
1. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/montesquieu/#4.5
2. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/paine/#Reli
3. http://inters.org/Galilei-Benedetto-Castelli
4. Excerpt from Common Sense

Well I will have to say that Pro missed some of my arguments, has some of his facts wrong and has not jumped over some of my arguments that doesn't fit his theory.

I do not say that Protestantism is the most perfect form of Christianity. About the only thing Luther got right was "salvation by faith", though later he added works to it. The same can be said about other Protestant denominations. Many of them never reached the full extent of what the Bible taught, but it was a work in progress as was science and democracy. As the truth of the Bible opened up after being locked by the Catholic Church for centuries the ideas for freedom and science were opened as well. Indeed, the Bible is way more understood today than 500 years ago when men were people were just beginning to read it for themselves. Cons chart for deaths because of religion (which is not the true religion of the Bible) is pale in comparison to the death caused by the religion of Secular Humanism and the taking of God out of society (USSR, Nazi Germany, People's Republic of China, WWI, Imperialism, Vietnam).

I will argue that history has shown that the works of Petrarch, Coluccio Salutati, Lorenzo Valla and Pico Della Mirandola did much to bring Europe to the idea of human rights because their writings are full of why God gives man human dignity through His incarnation and the idea that we are made in God's image. But that is for another debate.

I think it is telling when Pro didn't address Galileo.

Again I will repeat that the pioneers of science were Protestant and the Bible influenced their worldview when doing science and I will keep saying it until Pro proves me otherwise.

Robert Boyle: To him, the Bible was so important that a large part of his funds went to having the Bible printed in several languages. Boyle even said that conflicts between science and the Bible were due to a mistake in science or wrong interpretation of the Bible. "Even when some revelations are thought not only to transcend reason, but to clash with it, it is to be considered whether such doctrines are really repugnant to any absolute catholic rule of reason, or only to something which depends upon the measure of acquired information we enjoy." 1 In A Discourse of Things Above Reason, Boyle writes that he believes that God's attributes can be known by studying God's creation. "I study the book of nature I find myself oftentimes reduced to exclaim with the Psalmist, How manifold are Thy works, O Lord! in wisdom hast Thou made them all!" 2 

Isaac Newton: He wrote 1.3 million words on Biblical subjects. “This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being … This Being governs all things, not as the soul of the world, but as Lord over all; and on account of his dominion he is wont to be called Lord God.” “When I wrote my treatise about our system, I had an eye upon such principles as might work with considering men for the belief of a Deity, and nothing can rejoice me more than to find it useful for that purpose.” He even gave good advice on interpreting the Scriptures, “It is the perfection of all God’s works that they are done with the greatest simplicity … And therefore, as they that would understand the frame of the world must endeavor to reduce their knowledge [science] to all possible simplicity, so it must be in seeking to understand these [prophetic] visions.” If they didn't believe in what he wrote, then why listen to them? Why would they even bother writing? They wasn't forced to write these things, but they chose to because that is what they believed.

I could go on if Pro would not have limited this debate to 10,000 words. I am disappointed.

Pro gives credit to the printing press for bringing knowledge and science of today, but if this were true, that the printing press brings knowledge and science, then the Chinese and Koreans should have been way ahead of Europe.

Pro goes on to say that some of the people I mentioned were skeptics of parts of the Bible. To that I will say that, of course they did. The Bible was just in the process of being read. Even great Protestant figures like Martin Luther, John Calvin and John Knox kept many traditions of the Catholic Church that are not found in Scripture. Like I said before, today we have a better and clearer understanding of the Scriptures since the Protestant Reformation. I will agree with Pro that they were against a strict and rigid view of religion because religion then was more about power and control, but about the Bible, Newton had a positive, but not perfect, view of the Bible as something more than just written by man, he realized it was from God. I will remind Pro that the Bible had been locked away for centuries by the Catholic Church. I discuss how Western Rationality is based on the Bible in my other debate.

Since Pro fails to have provide any sources to back up his assertion that the Catholic Church began adopting Aristotelian science in the 13th century and not before, I will ignore it for now. Also Pro needs to have evidence that scholars besides the Catholic Church could read the Bible. I would agree that scholars were allowed to read the Bible, scholars that were in Catholic schools of thought with strict interpretations of the Bible that would fit with Catholic doctrine (which is not based solely on the Bible and whose teachings contradict it), I could provide sources for this, but we would be moving into the realm of the Catholic religion not being truly Bible based. I would even do it if I had more words.

While the US does have a representative form of government I will remind Pro that it is not the only power. The people do not have sole power in our Republic. Our government has three powers the people (Congress), the executive (President) and judicial (Courts). When the Founding Fathers set up the government, originally the Senator were not picked by the people, but by the States, therefore the States had a power. Also to note that the electoral college was not as democratic as it is today, electors were free to vote for their candidate without being dictated by popular or state consent. The Democrats have made America more democratic since the early 1900s something the Founding Fathers would not have favored. Also the Democrats want to get rid of the electoral college creating direct democracy.

Pro states that Common Sense was written as propaganda as if he can mentally read what Thomas Paine was really thinking when he wrote it, a common thing historians do on the left instead of just reading what it written and attributing it as the thoughts that the author truly believed. Though, Paine was a deist and against organized religion (Catholics, Anglicans and Puritans) he was not adverse to the Bible and used it to defend his thoughts on many subjects. In Age of Reason Thomas Paine begins by "a powerful confession of rationalist faith in a divine creator whose design can be appreciated by man in the Bible of Creation, whose principles are eternal."3

Pro states that the Magna Carta did not give the common man any rights. However, this is not true for there were freemen who were peasants at the time and their personal property, including land, was protected. Even the peasants who were under nobles were granted some rights that included protection for their possessions from being seized by the royal government and the protected from heavy fines they could not pay. While I agree it wasn't the greatest it was a step in the right direction.4

On Hotman, Beza and Mornay. These Huguenots based the following ideas on what the Bible's opinion was on government: Francois Hotman argumented for representative government, religious freedom and an elected monarchy all based on the Bible; According to Theodore Beza, the Bible gives people the right to change their government if the magistrates are violating the natural rights that God has given man. Vindiciae contra tyrannos, possibly written by Mornay, was a pamphlet that also used Scripture to promote the idea that had king should only be obeyed as long as he subjected himself to the laws that God had set up. 

On Separation of Church and State. Pro gives credit for this to the Enlightenment, however, this idea was first written about by two people of the Reformation. The first was Martin Luther in the doctrine of the two Kingdoms.5 The other was a reformist of the anabaptist movement, his name was Michael Sattler. He advocated for the protection of the church from the state (this idea was adopted by the Founding Fathers, not protecting the state from the church).

Pro does not give me any evidence by source that John Adams changed his views, therefore what he wrote stands unless Pro can come up with a later quote that contradicts the quote I mentioned. Pro cannot keep putting thoughts into people's heads. Pro also states that the Founding Fathers agreed that the Bible would not make a free society without a source. In contrast I have given him a source that shows that the Founders not only respected it, but applied it to their lives and way of thinking influencing their government making and believed society and the world should read and follow it.

Pro again says that the Enlightenment conquered the idea of original depravity. However, Montesquieu, Madison and Locke all believed in man's sinful nature and that only government founded on the Bible's view of government could rightly fix the sinfulness of man. Again, I could right so much more with more sources.

1. Boyle, Robert. 1690. Reflections on a Theological Distinction

2. Boyle, Robert. 1660. Seraphic Love

4. https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/magna-carta-people-and-society

5. Madison to Schaeffer, 1821. 1865. pp. 242–43

7. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda

Pro attacks me for not getting to the bottom line of proving why the Bible and not Enlightenment is the cause for our Western Civilization and I responded that 10,000 words doesn't do justice to rebutting all of Pro's inaccuracies and trying to give a comprehensive study of how the Bible is the foundation of Science and Representative government. I have shown throughout the above arguments why the Bible is the foundation, that Pro doesn't accept them as valid is his problem, not mine. I will in these sections explain again why the people he calls "humanists" were again basing their beliefs on the Bible.

In Genesis 1:27-29 the Bible says that man is to have dominion over all animals. This idea is what inspired the Royal Society of Science to begin to reestablish dominion over things.1 These religious scientists believed it was their duty to show design in nature to promote the God of the Bible. They believed in a rational and ordered world regulated by natural laws that the God of the Bible had set. As people became more biblically conscience as they read the Bible, it inspired them to pursue science for biblical reasons. The greatest scientist got their idea of natural laws of science from their belief in a law giver that set the laws in place. In the Tao of Physics Fritjof Capra blames judeo-christianity for today's science because people like Descartes and Newton believed that the God of the Bible had established laws of nature and that showing this evidence was their highest aim of their scientific work.2 Another author, Alfred North Whitehead, in his Harvard Lowell Lectures, affirmed that science had come from the the biblical idea that is was a product of "the intelligible rationality of a personal being."3 This was also confirmed by Joseph Needham. They give credit to the Biblical view of science for the scientific culture. Men who dabbled in science in ancient times never tried to empirically verify their explanations, not even Copernicus. However, Isaac Newton, a deep Christian, made a model for the orbit of planets because of gravity.  

Man began to obey the command of having dominion over nature once they could actually read the Bible.4 

Even though the Catholic Church promoted Aristotelian science, it really was not anti-science. Though the Church persecuted scientists, they are far more guilty of burning Bibles, Bible translators and theologians than banning science books or harassing scientists. The Catholic Church didn't kill scientists because of the science, but because of theological, moral, social, personnal, political or administrative disagreements. Most scientists that went against the grain were not killed. Why? Because the scientists worked in Church universities. The Churches persecution of scientists that were not in line with the belief systems is nothing different than in today's universities or industries that treat scientists unjustly. But this was a problem with the Catholic Church and justice not with science. Just look at Galileo who was highly honored and respected in Rome even while being investigated. Galileo's problem wasn't that he promoted and defended Copernicus's heliocentric theory with the Bible as evidenced in his Letter to Castelli, but that he belittled the Aristotelian scientists. At first the Inquisition dismissed his case until he wrote Dialogue on the Two Great World Systems which really infuriated the the Aristotelians. Though Galileo was a personal friend of Pope Urban, he was sentenced to house arrest in the home of the archbishop of Siena and then returned to live in his villa, not because of his science or theology, but because he mocked his protector (Pope Urban) by refusing to heed his advice. However, this punishment is pale in comparison to what happened to William Tyndale who was hanged and then burned at the stake.

Did the Church abuse its power? Of course, but that doesn't mean that the Bible is against science just like government isn't against justice just because of kings, presidents, dictators and courts have abused their power.

Pro states that Christianity did not promote science between the 1st and 5th centuries, which I will say is true. However, the reason is quite obvious. From the 1st to the 4th century, to be a Christian was to be put to death. Christians couldn't start universities or have the liberty to promote scientific theories based on the Bible. It wasn't until Constantine in the 313 that the Christians had freedom and the Catholic Church is formed in 380. Twenty years later, the Catholic Church is promoting Aristotelian science. The Catholic scholars would study science, not to learn about it to accumulate data, but to learn virtues. Example: ants were studied to teach diligence, not to find out about their structure, way of living, ect. Church fathers like Origin, Jews like Philo and Alexandrian Christians adopted the Greek way to study writings, allegorically. The above mentioned people did the same with the Bible giving it an allegorical (interpreting the Bible as they wanted instead of exactly what the Bible says instead of a literal meaning. However, when Christianity, by the Reformers, returned to reading the Bible literally, science was able to prosper.5 I have already shown how Boyle and Newton promoted the Bible as a sourcebook for science.

Galileo and Francis Bacon both said that the Bible and nature had to be studied in order to better know God. "For our Saviour saith, "You err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God;" laying before us two books or volumes to study, if we will be secured from error; first, the Scriptures, revealing the will of God; and then the creatures expressing his power: whereof the latter is a key unto the former: not only opening our understanding to conceive the true sense of the Scriptures, by the general notions of reason and rules of speech; but chiefly opening our belief, in drawing us into a due meditation of the omnipotence of God, which is chiefly signed and engraven upon His works."6 "For the holy Bible and the phenomena of nature proceed alike from the divine Word the former as the dictate of the Holy Ghost and the latter as the observant executrix of God's commands."7. Galileo also said that "the Bible cannot err."7

Of course the Founding Fathers believed in "the laws of nature and nature's God" when signing the Declaration of Independence. Europe adopted the position that the study of the law of nature were objective because of the biblical inspiration of God's creation. Because they knew that God had created, this solved the problem of big questions like where do we come from and allowed them to focus on the small, specific questions. They now wanted to study what was not revealed in Scripture, but what God had written in nature.8

The Bible's view on creation, sin, the curse and salvation were very important for science. Because God came as a man and died for our sin and set us free from sin, man has the promise that creation can be made good. As Francis Bacon said, ""Man by the Fall fell at the same time from the state of innocence and from his dominion over creation. Both of these losses, however, can even in this life be in some part repaired; the former by religion and Faith, the latter by arts and sciences."9

Paracelsus 10, Sir Thomas Browne 11 and Tertullian 12 all believed that the study of nature was the study of God's creation and was just as important or even more so because God created before he wrote.

For scientists and theologians after the Reformation nature was possible to study the Bible and nature because God was the creator of it and we were made in His likeness and can understand nature the way God understands it. The scientists were studying nature to give glory to God because they read in the Bible that everything exists for the glory of God (Rev. 4:11) and the heavens declare God's glory (Psalm 19:1). The Protestant Reformation brought a desire to know the truth of science through the author of all Truth.

Then I say to those who will vote, How do we know that Pro believes anything he is saying? Should we take his word for what he believes is true in this debate. Maybe he is really a Christian that believes the Bible, but secular society is pressuring him to believe in humanism. If that is the standard he is going to place on scientists and our Founding Fathers and what they wrote then it should be applied to Pro as well.

Well, I wish I could have gotten to liberty and humanism, but I couldn't because 10,000 words are not enough for this subject. This is a brief account of why the Bible is the foundation for Western Science.

1. History of the Royal Society by Thomas Sprat

2. Tao of Physics by Fritjof Capra

3. Science and the Modern world: Lowell Lectures, 1925 by Alfred North Whitehead

4. The Bible, Protestantism, and the Rise of Natural Science by Peter Harrison

5. Ibid

6. The Advancement of Learning by Francis Bacon

7. http://www.wright.edu/~christopher.oldstone-moore/galileo.htm

8. Biblical Origins of Modern Secular Culture by Willis Glover

9. Novum Organum with Other Parts of the Great Instauration by Francis Bacon

10. The Bible, Protestantism, and the Rise of Natural Science by Peter Harrison

11. Religio Medici by Sir Thomas Browne

12. Adversus Marcionem by Tertullian

I will thank Pro for this debate. I will accept adding arguments.

I still insist that 10,000 words were not sufficient to put down everything I wished to present. I could not successfully show the problems with humanism because of this very limited amount of space. I tried to argue my side without enough space to go into more detail to expound on why the Bible influenced science and representative government. I did the best job I could and really got to the bottom of science and how the Bible caused the Founding Fathers of science to do experimental work.

I don't need to answer again why Newton, Boyle and other gave credit to the Bible. They were not only Christians, but in their own words they gave credit to the Bible. Pro is trying to say that the scientists didn't believe what they wrote which is really unfair to them. Therefore, Pro, is automatically discounting what these men wrote. Again, Pro wants us to believe what he says is what he believes, but what the Founders of Modern science said, they didn't believe. Pro instead attacks the Bible on subject matter that has nothing to do with this debate. If he wants to attack the Bible's coherency and logic I suggest he do so in another debate for that purpose, but there is no doubt that the scientists study of science in the decades after the Reformation were due to the Bible.

I do not deny that Eratosthenes and other made impressive achievements, however, they didn't develop a culture of science. They made accurate observations, but they never modeled the world. They never attempted to empirically verify their explanations. Without an explanation one can have facts but not science. Genesis was written about 1440 BC and since the Bible is true, man had dominion over the animals because God gave man that authority and all humans have followed through with it. Pro asserts my evidence is vague and contradictory yet hasn't been able to rebut it with many sources. However, I have used many original and secular sources to backup my side.

As I explained in Round 4, during the 5th-13th century the Catholic Church adopted a Greek form of interpreting Scripture as allegorical instead of literal, which stopped the study of science and I gave sources for that. That Pro didn't read carefully is his problem, not mine. However, after the Reformation, when the Protestants stuck to a more literal translation of the Bible, science prospered and I used the quotes of scientists and historians to back that up.

Pro does a big disservice to the men who wrote those quotes by saying that original sources are irrelevant. Only what "modern "historians say is true. To that I have to ask, What if modern historians are biased and the thing they most don't want to do is give credit to the Bible. I stick to original sources and give full credit to the Founding Fathers of science for telling us themselves how the Bible influenced them to study science.

Pro presented his arguments and I rebutted them and tried my best to show why these things came about from the Bible and not secular thinking. I tried my best to make a coherent case on why the Bible influenced science and representative government. I really wanted to get to why secular humanism is not a correct belief to bring about science and representative government for it actually led to Robespierre and Napoleon in the French Revolution which is clearly documented. One can see a big difference between the Bible based American Revolution and the secular humanistic French Revolution, but I won't go into more detail per Pros request. (I might make a debate on it, however).

I really wish that Pro would have had more than 10,000 words, but I realize it was my fault for not looking at the number of words before taking the debate.