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Show that scripture that's against "mixed" marriage

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Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes. Please show where there is biblical basis for the condemning of "interracial marriage" in of it self.

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Round 1
Con
The description will serve as the first round.
Pro
Resolution for PRO(me): There are scriptures in the Bible that are against interracial marriage
CON(mall): Said scriptures in the Bible are NOT against interracial marriage

  1. Christian race

The Christian race is, of course, made out of Christians. The bible states that they are SUPERIOR to Non-christians[1].

But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.(1 Peter 2:9-10)

  1. The marriage between a Christian and a Non-christian is discouraged

There are many quotes that discourage a marriage between a Christian and a non-christian[2].

Do not be unequally yoked(attached, married, bond; especially in a negative sense)[3] together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? What communion has light with darkness?(2 Corinthians 6:14)

This sentence clearly discourages a marriage between a Christian and a non-christian for that the Bible states that Non-christians do not possess the righteousness the Christians have, thus the marriage between the two is discouraged.

And, because Christians are a race of itself, thus a marriage between a Christian and a Non-christian, which is established to be immoral according to the bible, would be an interracial marriage. Thus, the Bible is against interracial marriages, technically.

Blacks? Whites? Asians? Native Americans? Bibles do not see them as races. There are only 2 races: Christian and Non-christian. Biologically the Bible does not see race as the Bible states that all people are descendants of Adam from the ancient ages[4], so it is not worth discriminating against any of them, really.

And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place.(Acts 17:26)

So in conclusion, the only races the Bible sees are Christians and Non-christians, and the marriage between them is discouraged. That would mean, Interracial marriage is discouraged in the Bible.

VOTE PRO!

Sources:
[1]https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+2%3A9-10&version=ESV;LEB
(1 Peter 2:9-10)

[2]https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians+6%3A14&version=MEV
(2 Corinthians 6:14)

[3]https://dailywordforall.wordpress.com/2017/07/09/breaking-spiritual-yokes/
(Yoked)

[4]https://biblia.com/bible/esv/acts/17/26
(Acts 17:26)

Round 2
Con
The scripture provided from the book of 2nd Peter has variant translations. Where it states "chosen race", it states "chosen people" in the NIV and "chosen generation" in the KJV . SO the emphasis is not so much on the term race but God's people versus those not of God.

Since the scripture does not refer to the believers and unbelievers as "interracial" , but as a fellowship with light and darkness as written in the book of 2nd Corinthians, it's customary to interpret "interracial" as between nation's of people. The book of Deuteronomy indicates specifically the term nation. That is more close to what the Bible is referring to as "interracial" and what we constantly know and understand it is.

The Bible does address the concept of  "interracial" as we see this with Moses and the "Ethiopian" woman in the book of Numbers 12. Also in the book of Acts 17, all NATIONS, made of one blood but people were bound by their lands. Moreover, the concept of peoples from different nations is pointed out in Galatians 3 where it states nor Greek, Jew or gentile.

So we can see that scripture does and has identified different groups of people based on nations. So now we can learn whether or not there is scripture against the mixing of these nations.
To avoid getting into semantical problems and definitions, it's key to pay attention to context and how exactly the Bible references or what it calls something exactly the way it's written in a given verse.

Being that there is a thing such as intermarrying with the nations( interracial marriage), what scripture is there that shows it's forbidden?




Pro
Oh well, maybe I should make my case clearer.

1. An analogy of a person regarding the present discourse

My opponent has made his case that since the paragraphs in the Bible had shown his undoubted support instead of discouragement regarding interracial marriage, then his case should be sufficient. However, My opponent might have mistaken the topic for "Show that the Bible is against mixed marriage" because in that case, his one example would suffice in proving that the Bible is NOT against mixed marriage. However, the topic is "Show that scripture that's against "mixed" marriage" showing that as long as PRO brings up at least ONE paragraph in the bible that discourages mixed marriage, PRO wins the day.

Now, the promised analogy. If this offends anyone just by reading, please, I shall note that I intend no harm and this should stay as a hypothetical example.

Suppose one wrote a book about why he hates the LGBTQ community with words full of hatred towards said community, then turned friendly towards the LGBTQ community after a few years. That's the example. Now, what if I picked up a hateful quote in his old book that he himself no longer trusts? Is it evidence that He is hostile against the LGBTQ community? No. Especially since he has turned away against his old stance. However, if I pick that quote up, and ask myself, is it a quote in his book that illustrates hatred towards the LGBTQ community? Then I'd be yes. If it is in his book and it shows hatred towards the LGBTQ community, then YES.

So no matter where it is, as long as I show scripture in the Bible that shows discouragement towards interracial marriages, PRO wins. It doesn't even have to disagree with CON's. God, the being can treat different people differently at different times, and CON's Acts 17 scripture does not negate PRO's case because PRO does not need to demonstrate that the whole bible is against interracial marriage.

2. Scriptures

Oh, and, I must show scriptures in order to prove my point. I am no master in a religion that I do not believe in, however, I have the internet helping me.

One(or four) paragraph(s) in the Deuteronomy book, states:
“When the Lord your God brings you into the land that you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and mightier than you, and when the Lord your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them, then you must devote them to complete destruction. You shall make no covenant with them and show no mercy to them. You shall not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons, for they would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods. Then the anger of the Lord would be kindled against you, and he would destroy you quickly.[1, Deuteronomy 7:1-4]
The bolded phrases and/or sentences shows my point.

So far, these claims are undoubtedly true:
  • I and my opponent both agree that nations can be used to establish ethnicity.
    • The Hittites, the Girgashites, etc. are thus people and ethnicity.
    • God told the people(Israelites) to NOT marry with any of the seven other people in their respective nations.
    • This quote is IN THE BIBLE.
  • Thus, this is a scripture of the bible that is against mixed marriages, because God told the Israelites to NOT intermarry with the other people.
  • Because ONE sufficient example shown from PRO is enough for him to win the debate, and this paragraph does it, I rest my case.
Conclusions above.

Sources:
(Deuteronomy 7:1-4)
Round 3
Con
"However, the topic is "Show that scripture that's against "mixed" marriage" showing that as long as PRO brings up at least ONE paragraph in the bible that discourages mixed marriage, PRO wins the day."

Right and what is meant by "mixed marriage"?


The premise specifically indicates "interracial"marriage in the description.

Now I pointed out that scriptures do identify this as marrying into other nations. Don't run from that just because you were mistaken about that. We do have to keep the terminology straight.


" PRO does not need to demonstrate that the whole bible is against interracial marriage."

In the words of Pastor Gino Jennings: CALL YOUR CHAPTER AND YOUR VERSE......THAT SHOWS THE CONDEMNATION  OF MIXED MARRIAGE....OR "INTERRACIAL" MARRIAGE MIND YOU.


CALLLL YOUR CHAPTER AND YOUR VERSE.


"Oh, and, I must show scriptures in order to prove my point. I am no master in a religion that I do not believe in, however, I have the internet helping me."

CALL YOUR CHAPTER AND YOUR VERSE.

The topic says show that SCRIPTURE against this matter.


"I and my opponent both agree that nations can be used to establish ethnicity."

Thank you for conceding and agreeing with me now that scripture does point out distinctive sets of people equivalent to the meaning of what society classifies under "race".


"Thus, this is a scripture of the bible that is against mixed marriages, because God told the Israelites to NOT intermarry with the other people."


Ok and it was because of what? It's not condemning "interracial" or to be more exact, marriage between nations, is it?


See you're attempting to validate your case on semantics. Unfortunately for you, it's something you may have missed. I indicated specifically what I meant.

A so called interracial marriage is a " mixed marriage". A subcategory within a category, that's all.

Also it's not appropriate to state that the scriptures are AGAINST mixed marriage without SPECIFICATION. Why? The term "mixed" can mean anything. Like a couple with a MIXTURE of different heights, weights, strengths, etc.

"Because ONE sufficient example shown from PRO is enough for him to win the debate, and this paragraph does it, I rest my case."

In reference to the book of Deuteronomy, your case basically rested on "interfaith" prohibition. That's a type of mixed marriage but just not the one in this topic of the debate challenge .


It's ok if you don't know the scriptures that well and you have to Google as we go along.

Sometimes I have to do it to get a refresher.

Also this is nothing to do with actually being religious. This is basic reading comprehension which only works to a limited extent when attempting to understand the Bible.

Pro
Sure, I have a lot more. Of course, if I show ANY example I meet my BoP consider CON only asks me to show any scripture that is against mixed marriages.

Genesis 28:1
Then Isaac called Jacob and blessed him and directed him, “You must not take a wife from the Canaanite women.
Canaanites are a race and of a nation and Jacob is NOT within that ethnicity. Thus, a marriage between Jacob and a Canaanite woman is an interracial/mixed marriage. Because the phrase "You must not" is used, it became pretty clear that this is an example that discourages an interracial marriage. In fact, any scripture that only illustrates discouragements to an example of interracial marriage would count.

I understand what you are thinking. "Does that mean hating anyone is equal of hating his/her/their qualities, ethnicities, etc?" However, hating an LGBTQ activist because he is gay would make you homophobic. Because the Canaanites are tied to their beliefs which are disliked by the God of the Bible, it is pretty safe to say that God discourages the marriage between one of his people(Jacob) and a Canaanites because of their own religion and beliefs, which are tied to their ethnicity. God hates the marriage between these two just by the fact that the two are different and incompatible.

Genesis 24:3-4
That I may make you swear by the Lord, the God of heaven and God of the earth, that you will not take a wife for my son from the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell, but will go to my country and to my kindred, and take a wife for my son Isaac.”
This is the same as the one above. God discourages marriage between his people and the Canaanites due to their ethnicity. This is one example of a shown scripture against interracial marriage.

So, conclusions.

  1. The Bible discourages marriage between his people and the Canaanites.
  2. The two are not the same ethnicity, and the marriage within would be interracial and mixed.
  3. God discourages it due to their ethnicity.
  4. Because God discourages it, it would be scripture in the bible that shows discouragement towards interracial marriage.
I have used logic to justify my BoP.

I rest my case.


---Sources---

Genesis 24 3-4

Genesis 28 1