Abortion shouldn't be allowed if a mother's life is not at risk
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“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, nor any place subject to their jurisdiction”
- “27.9% of all abortions were early medical abortions (a nonsurgical abortion at ≤8 weeks’ gestation)”
- “91.0% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation”
- “7.7% were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation”
- https://www.vox.com/2018/2/19/17018380/gender-wage-gap-childcare-penalty
- http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/slavery/ethics/intro_1.shtml
- https://definitions.uslegal.com/s/slavery-amendment/
- https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv
- https://www.livescience.com/54774-fetal-pain-anesthesia.html
- https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm
- https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/policy/AbortionPoliciesReproductiveHealth.pdf
- https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/173586/WHO_RHR_15.04_eng.pdf
“Its physical substrate, the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the 24th and 28th week of gestation. Roughly two months later synchrony of the electroencephalographic (EEG) rhythm across both cortical hemispheres signals the onset of global neuronal integration”
- When I’m donating platelets, there is no legal penalty for me to pull the needle out and walk out. Sure a cancer patient needs that, but I have no legal obligation. Even with type O-Negative blood (universal donor), I still have no legal obligation to donate life saving blood at all.
- If someone buys me dinner, I do not owe them sex even if said rejection hurts them. Consent could likewise be withdrawn in the middle of coupling, and the government may not send police to drag me back into that bed to finish satisfying someone.
“Existing children of women denied abortions had lower mean child development scores and were more likely to live below the Federal Poverty Level.”
“States with more abortion restrictions have higher rates of maternal and infant mortality”
- https://youtu.be/bzVHjg3AqIQ?t=164
- https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-does-consciousness-arise/
- https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cherry_picking
- https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(18)31297-6/fulltext
- https://thinkprogress.org/teen-pregnancies-highest-in-states-with-abstinence-only-policies-8aa0deeebb41/
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194801/
- https://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/fulltext/2012/02000/The_Comparative_Safety_of_Legal_Induced_Abortion.3.aspx
- https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/women/reports/2018/06/13/451891/
- Spartans were awesome, and as shown in the movie 300, failure in this policy lead to their fall [scene].
- Marvel Comics superhero Thanos once decided to kill all Inhuman children between a certain age due to one or more trysts with Inhumans. As an anti-abortion advocate, he firmly believes they should be killed years later, rather than being denied the chance at life [more on this].
Argument: Pro had a number of argument that Con deftly rebutted successfully, such as the matter of the fetus feeling pain in early stages of development, which Con rebutted with a couple scholastic sources, and fetal consciousness, over which both participants had connection-to-the-proposal issues, but Con had less issues. Points to Con.
Sources Pro's sources regarding women's exhaustive mod swings were post-birth issues, and regarding consciousness missed the point of the proposal. Con's sources were relevant to his argument, such as the demonstration of sense of pain occurring much later in development than claimed by Pro. Points to Con. That said, Con had one argument begging for a source, but it was never given: the relevance of personhood; i.e., when a zygote/ embryo/fetus can be scientifically described as a person. There is a legal source, but Con did not present it. Points to Con
S&G: tie
Conduct: Point to Pro for recognition of result of debate and subsequent concession
Primarily because of concession, Con = more convincing argument.
Sources-- both did very well
Grammer -- no errors detected
Conduct -- both did well.
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concession
Concession.
Konsession.
Double thanks for the feedback.
I think I have before, but next time I'll be sure to expand and source how the mind uniquely defines people.
Thank you both for voting!
Probably a misclick.
No clue
People misclick all the time. That is why we need the mods. If there is none people will just report votes against them no matter how good or bad they are.
wait why was my vote reported
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Wow, very strong argument!
It's not moderated, so people are free to use what they like.
Idk, but it is better to just use English
just used google translate lol. What would be the correct symbols for "concession"/"surrender"?
It means compromise.
I don't think that is what you mean.
Thank you for the votes!
That was one of my best troll debates.
https://www.debateart.com/debates/866/fetuses-as-a-replacement-for-the-usd
> "by the way this debate is going I fear Ragnar supporting euthanizing babies lol"
I'm writing my rebuttals. If you would like I can include a side note of that (probably something something, Spartans are awesomeness, something something).
Way back on DDO I once started prepping a troll debate on fourth trimester abortions, with supporting evidence for the need to eliminate overgrown human cell clusters many years after they technically exited the womb but had since failed to intellectually develop into human beings (when doing a poll, I literally cited my two ex-brothers). ... Ok, I had to look it up, and I forgot how gloriously stupid the comments got!
https://www.debate.org/opinions/should-fourth-trimester-abortion-be-legal
Like the kind where one guy proposed to use fetuses as money?
...though I am beginning to regret challenging one of the strongest debaters on the site while playing devil's advocate (I think it should just be legalized generally lol)
by the way this debate is going I fear Ragnar supporting euthanizing babies lol
Very solid argument!
> "as raising the born baby costs far, far more than just giving birth, and you could use this idea to euthanize the baby"
I may have to use that in a troll debate sometime.
I'm going to have more time for the next few days, and in dire need of a distraction, so happy to accept this direct challenge.
If you would like anything plugged into the full description, please let me know. A good example of this would be any important definitions (I'll probably agree to anything that isn't an extreme case of cherry-picking).
To avoid any confusion as you draft your R1: I presume your side of this debate is that abortion should be generally banned, with an exception for things that are very likely to kill the mother in the short-term (like ectopic pregnancy).