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Resolved: Art is secularly sacred, or it is profane

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After 1 vote and with 6 points ahead, the winner is...

fauxlaw
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Description

Resolved: Art is secularly sacred, or it is profane

Full Description:

Resolved: Art is secularly sacred, or it is profane. That is, art is the best of creative expression in man, or it is his worst expression. For purposes of this debate, it is one or the other; we cannot argue that it is both. This is an economy of scale; either the greater quantity of artistic expression is one or the other. The two terms, sacred and profane, are to be debated in strictly a secular realm, even though some art is religious in nature, either as sacred or profane, the religious aspect of it is to be completely removed from the argument, other than by reference as a contribution to the total array of artistic expression. Voting cannot consider it but by its reference as such, and not on the basis of it’s religiously sacred, or profane nature.

Definitions: [according to the OED]

Art: [as a count noun] 7. Any of various pursuits or occupations in which creative or imaginative skill is applied according to aesthetic principles in the various branches of creative activity.

Secular: adj. 1. Of or pertaining to the world

Sacred: adj. b. Dedicated, set apart, exclusively appropriated to some person or some special purpose.

Profane: adj. 3. Of persons, behavior, ect.: characterized by, exhibiting, or expressive of a disregard or contempt for sacred things ||full stop|| end of OED, but I add: i.e., sacred in the sense of that word’s definition in this debate.

Debate Protocol:

3 rounds:
r1, r2: argument, rebuttal, defense
r3: no new argument. Rebuttal, defense, conclusion

All arguments of declarative statements that might, otherwise, be consider as opinion must be accompanied by formal referenced sources of scholarly origin, as the CoC, Voting Policy, and Debate Instruction on the debate text entry form stipulate. This is a voting protocol requirement. It is not necessary to cite sourcing on common knowledge matters. For example: “the Earth orbits the Sun” needs no source citation. Whereas, “Our Solar System orbits the Milky Way Galaxy at an average velocity of 828,000 km/hr” would be prudent to source.

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@oromagi

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@That1User

If I were you I'd keep it until it is good for a Kritik. You are revealing parts of your argument.

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@fauxlaw

I'm aware, I'm using, "As con you can negate" as a perspective flip, saying if you were con you'd be able to do the same. Leaving this to voters is fair, still haven't decided how I'm going to argue this, want to adhere to your original intent but I disagree with your resolution's premise, I can argue both potentially.

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@That1User

I suppose you can argue whatever floats your boat in your rounds, and voters will decide your adherence to the intent of the resolution as worded. Have your say. The Constitution is misused in just such fashion.
By the way, your pronoun use is wanting. You're Con, not me. You say, therefore, As Con, [that's YOU] I can negate. S&G says as much.

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@fauxlaw

"The resolution, itself, is either/or. "Resolved: Art is secularly sacred, or it is profane.""
As Con you can negate the resolution itself. You are making the claim that art is either sacred or profane, I can contend/negate that by saying art is neither sacred nor profane.

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@That1User

The resolution, itself, is either/or. "Resolved: Art is secularly sacred, or it is profane." Either it is sacred, or it is profane. Period. What about that tells you that one option is that it is neither? That resolution would be: Art is sacred and profane, or it is neither. But I did not word it that way. Syntax is everything.

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@That1User

Good luck with the debate!

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@Vader

Thank you Supa, it's good to be back!

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@That1User

You returned? Welcome my fellow SVTFOE fan!

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@fauxlaw

The resolution is "Resolved: Art is secularly sacred, or it is profane", I was intending to argue that this dichotomy was false, to negate the resolution as an untrue statement. The desc. says, "For purposes of this debate, it is one or the other; we cannot argue that it is both." I was intending to argue against this claim, that it is neither. The either/or is unclear since it leaves an opening to question the either/or itself.

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@That1User

Bamboozled? The resolution is clearly an either/or statement. The first four sentences of the full description emphasize that either/or. The definitions are careful to define each term of the resolution separately and distinctly. Sorry, but it is your misunderstanding, not my bamboozlement. I hold with all statements. No do-overs.

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@That1User

At least you can prove that art is not sacred, that is half of your bop

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@fauxlaw

I misunderstood the premise of the debate, thought I'd be arguing that art is neither sacared nor profane, not that it is profane. Willing to debate within either parameters but I do feel bamboobzled

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@fauxlaw

It should be! Can't wait for your response

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@That1User

Thanks for accepting the debate. I'll be posting my r1 soon. This should be a lot of fun.

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@seldiora

*person draws single blue line* "yes" "*Y E S*"

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@seldiora

yes

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*person draws single blue line* "yes"

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@fauxlaw

Thank you for creating this, sounds really interesting! Looking forward to the art debate