There Exists Objectively Good and Objectively Bad Music
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for pro to win, he must prove there is some absolute (factual, scientific, etc.) measure which you can measure some songs good and bad. He does not have to prove every song can be judged as such, only some songs.
Firstly, I will try to define objectively bad music, as there are actually many ideas about this already.
1. Artistic license: Creativity and ownership of music is very important especially in the modern day. Copyright laws have been imposed upon songs, as https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ56a.pdf would explain to us. There are even more restrictions that even scare people to make music https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/music-copyright-lawsuits-chilling-effect-935310/, as it would be have legal repercussions as a result if you copied someone else. As a result, we can infer that using the same phrase as someone else and claiming it as your own is objectively bad music.
2. Means to an end: Many cases music has caused hate or unnecessary violence, this is when music is objectively bad. As https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/04/when-music-is-violence argues, we used music to intimidate the opponent, and even used to agitate prisoners. Because of the inherent negative nature of these songs, it follows as such that this music is objectively bad in this case. We want to maximize our happiness gain, utilitarianism claims. But this controversial technique to use music negatively surely violates this moral philosophy and is hence objectively bad. Consider if I made a song specifically to torture terrorists, nails on the chalkboard, screaming at 130 decibels, shredding metal and talking trash about them. This is clearly bad music, especially considering if I played it for anyone else they would be extremely agitated and feel bad about themselves.
Objectively good music is much harder to define, but there are some contenders.
1. Influence on society: Would you admit that, if music caused some good change and educated them, then it has a net benefit? Consider the elements of the periodic table song. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz4Dd1I_fX0) It definitively helps children learn about science in a fun and easy way. Some other songs are far more influential, especially tribal songs uniting people together, and classical music revolutionizing the piano. If music can bring people together and improve your knowledge, why wouldn't it be "good music"? As such, you can clearly see some songs can be objectively good.
2. "Objectively good" for the person: It's true that people think differently about music, so overall a song might seem more subjective, especially if its impact on actual humanity is too ambiguous to grasp. But listening to music you love brings you dopamine, the happiness chemical. (https://www.psypost.org/2019/02/listening-to-the-music-you-love-will-make-your-brain-release-more-dopamine-study-finds-53059) Once again bringing back the utilitarianism argument, so long as you aren't hurting anyone else, the music will improve your quality of life and possibly raise you out of depression, if you are sad. As such, every song that an individual likes is objectively good for them.
I'm sure you could come back from the forfeit
Had it all written down too just needed to add sources, we can redo the debate
I got lagged out of the debate, made me think there was more time than there really was left, said there was 1 hour and 23 mins left when the debate was forfeited
I figured it was something like that. Hope things calm down for you
Got caught up in Mafia too lmao
I really don't know, that debate was always on my mind but I didn't execute it after heavy consideration of how to set it up, guess I was overwhelmed with that and dealing with life at the same time, the entirety of a tournament, especially since we had no option in selecting our topics, seemed daunting. Think I can manage this as something fun
why didn't u start the R1 charter school debate?