Instigator / Pro
20
1731
rating
167
debates
73.05%
won
Topic
#2313

Resolved: Art, if separated from the artist, will bring more good than harm into this world

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
15
Better sources
10
10
Better legibility
5
5
Better conduct
5
0

After 5 votes and with 10 points ahead, the winner is...

whiteflame
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Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
One week
Max argument characters
12,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
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Contender / Con
30
1724
rating
27
debates
88.89%
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Description

BoP is shared: Con must prove that the separation of the art from the artist is worse for the world.

"Separating the art from the artist": To ignore the origins of the art piece and judge the art based on itself

Also, we are talking about ideals. saying "Separating the art from the artist is extremely hard" should not be a point.

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@Intelligence_06

That said, if I can keep my stats from tanking, I will

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@Intelligence_06

Not really. I debate because it is fun, not because I want to see my numbers go up.

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@Intelligence_06

Yep, nice debating you! I do think this is a great topic, lots to explore.

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@MisterChris

Are you mad that you did not gain positions?

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@Intelligence_06

Our difference in ELO is now 1. LOL

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@whiteflame

gg.

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@Intelligence_06

I might pass Trent without the help actually. I have a debate about to finish in a day or so

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@MisterChris

Consider this your free ticket to top 5.

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@K_Michael

But that is not separating from the art and the artist. If I peel the banana peel out of the banana then the banana is with the peel, How is that peeling the banana?

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@K_Michael

I have mixed feelings about this separation, but I do believe that efforts to entirely separate the artist from the art miss the point. There is a question as to how much of a role the artist should play in the assessment of their art when they do something well after the fact, but I don’t think we can or should ignore the relation for things they did during its creation, particularly if they continue to engage in those actions. The art itself is, undeniably, tainted by their actions.

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@whiteflame

You can separate art from the artist when considering the art and then when you're considering the artist you can rate them based on their art. The art should be based on itself.

PRO is going to have to make up a lot of ground here.

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@Intelligence_06

Good luck ;)

oh...

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@Intelligence_06

Looking forward to debating you on this.

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@whiteflame

Do it

Tempted as well...

I’m tempted. I’ll think about this one for a bit and, if no one has accepted, I might take you on.

so... what? Do we just not put Van Gogh's art in his gallery? We don't bother saying Leonardo drew Mona Lisa?

You should define "Separated" in this context... Not quite sure what you mean