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rating
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debates
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Topic
#2583

The term "All lives matter" is better than the term "Black lives matter" when it comes to battling racism

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
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6
Better sources
2
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
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2

After 2 votes and with 8 points ahead, the winner is...

BearMan
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
One week
Max argument characters
6,900
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
14
1615
rating
16
debates
93.75%
won
Description

You should know what “all lives matter” is.

BOP is shared. As a result, “pro did not prove what he is supposed to prove” is not to be counted as an actual argument. Con must be able to provide that BLM is the better term.

They ultimately mean the same thing is essence. This is simply a terminology debate where it's a losing argument for PRO. I would say a good debate is saying whether All Cops Are Bastards is a flawed statement because it inherently is.

What about Chocolate Lives Matter?
There is
1) Dark Chocolate
2) Milk Chocolate
3) white chocolate

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@bmdrocks21

I trust you to vote not biased, but if you feel that you can't, then don't vote.

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@bmdrocks21

Well yes. I am living in China so there is no point.

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@Intelligence_06

If you are wishing there are marxist movements in your country, then I’m afraid you aren’t familiar with Marxism.

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@bmdrocks21

"BLM is a marxist movement"

Bruh I wish. If they get any real work done as a community I am fine with that too. They are not even marxists. Fine motive, terrible action.

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@Theweakeredge

Terrorists: destroy stuff to intimidate people to achieve political ends. Had more riot damage than there is annual damage from all tornados. The leader of the "Greater New York Black Lives Matter" said: “If this country doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it. All right? And I could be speaking figuratively. I could be speaking literally. It’s a matter of interpretation,”

Sounds like a threat of violence for political ends to me.

BLM is a semi-organized movement. There are leaders who organize large crowds, they have a website, etc.

Communists: Co-founder Patrisse Cullors described herself and fellow co-leader Alicia Garza as "trained marxists". In a now-deleted "about us" page that was up for months(or years, not sure how long before I saw it), they described their desire to disrupt(destroy) the nuclear family and replace it with communal parenting.

That is where I am getting: communist, terrorist movement. Perhaps I should have used the word "Marxist instead", my bad.

I am not saying all of the naive crackas marching with them know about these goals of the group or are Marxists themselves, but the overall leadership of the organization is.

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@bmdrocks21

"Because BLM are communist terrorist"

What?

Like I am genuinely confused.... .I suppose if you over inflate how many riots happened.... and presumed BLM was an organized movement..... and presumed that they were communist (is working for working equality in a capitalist nation - hmmm... i wonder if they're communist)

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@Intelligence_06

Because BLM are communist terrorists....

I guess I’ll do my darndest

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@bmdrocks21

Why would you be biased, just vote fairly

I'll see what I can do, got a couple of debates to vote on before this one.

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@Intelligence_06

I feel like I would be too biased for a fair vote lmao

I just see "expert in critical race theory" and "PhD race issues" and my gut reaction is to completely disregard everything they say

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@seldiora

Yeah sure

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@BearMan

they might do some weird variation, like, a humanoid alien with equal intelligence tries to go into our society. Should we accept them as equals?

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@seldiora

To be fair, the Chinese media probably wouldn't air this resolution.

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@Crocodile

I love how accurate that is, needless to say, I plan on trying to be as objective as possible while I vote. I'll go off of the arguments presented here, and which is more logically consistent and all.

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@Crocodile

I am just tagging the voters I generally always tag

i see intelligence is targeting conservative voters and bear is targeting liberal

such bias

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@BearMan

I'll add it to the list

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@Theweakeredge

vote

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@whiteflame
@bmdrocks21
@MisterChris

Vote.

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@Crocodile

Ping RM again.

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@Barney
@oromagi
@Trent0405
@seldiora

Vote plz.

Alr

Sources:

[1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=is+all+lives+matter+racist&t=opera&ia=web
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Lives_Matter
[3] http://latinolivesmatter.org , https://www.facebook.com/asianlivesmatter , https://www.facebook.com/nativelivesmatter1/ ,

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@RationalMadman

this will def interest you

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@Intelligence_06

I'm usually comfortable within the 10 thousand limit.

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@BearMan

Thankfully I didn't put the character count up to 30,000.

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@BearMan

Thankfully I didn't put the character count up to 30,000.

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@Intelligence_06

Sorry for the blocks of text. This is the best debate I will have in a long time, so I'm tryna put a lot of effort in it.

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@Intelligence_06

All Lives Matter is not bad in nature, the misuses of it have signaled to the public that it is derogatory and hateful. Using All Lives Matter to battle racism won't be good at all compared to BLM.

This whole thing is about the current influence of both BLM and ALM and how each is beneficial to battling racism. Sadly, ALM has a terrible reputation and can't possibly be better than BLM.

I support ALM but the misuses make it worse for the public. I won't say ALM outside or I'll be beaten up and harassed by several people because it is so hated by the publci.

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@BearMan

I see that you are a fan of “if a lie is repeated enough times, it becomes the truth”.

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@Intelligence_06

Ah yes, the classic "No Lives Matter"

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@Intelligence_06

How about we do rebuttals of each others cases in R2?

Since you put a 6900 character limit and I'm already over that, I don't possibly see myself refuting your points.

My favorite is, "most lives matter."

Got it done quicker than I thought.

also
"ALM is a truism, since yes, all lives don't matter."

That is a typo. I meant to type that All lives DO matter, not don't.

I don't think I can get time for this one until 2 days later.

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@Theweakeredge

Oromagi be like: Aw hell no, I ain't facing Whiteflame until debate 100
XD

Umm.... win streaks and rankings really shouldn't matter, the only thing that matters are the idea presented the validity of reasoning used. The rest is useless bureaucracy. Yes, I am "far-left" I will vote regardless. Any capable voter should be able to put aside their biases and vote based on the arguments provided.

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@seldiora

I dare him to try

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@Intelligence_06

this is the first time Bearman has faced a debater in the top 10. Break his win streak!

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@Intelligence_06

The character limit is 6900. I don't see me taking all week to fill it.

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@BearMan

I set it for 1 week for a reason lol.

if ur far-right wing or far-left wing, or I'm solidly convinced that all lefts suck-wing or I'm solidly convinced that all rights suck-wing then don't vote.

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@Intelligence_06

Man its 9am where I live, so I'm already half done with the case. You can waive if you want to, I already have most of my case built.

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@BearMan

I would happily draft an argument now, sadly it is 11pm in where I live and I couldn’t be damned to make one because I am sleepy.

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@Intelligence_06

Not the model debater by a long shot, that again is very debatable. I'm not gonna waste this opportunity either.

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@BearMan

Well that is debatable(pun not intended), but seeing you are literally the "model debater" here with 12/12 rates, I would not waste such an opportunity.

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@Intelligence_06

I've been defeated before. I'm not the strongest debater.

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@BearMan

I want to give you a taste of defeat...seeing you have won 12/12 of yours...