Instigator / Con
15
1458
rating
3
debates
0.0%
won
Topic
#2600

Is supporting the meat industry justified?

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
3
6
Better sources
6
6
Better legibility
3
3
Better conduct
3
3

After 3 votes and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

Intelligence_06
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
One week
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
18
1731
rating
167
debates
73.05%
won
Description

In this debate, I, being con, will argue that we are not justified in supporting the meat industry. I understand if someone is in a third world country and can’t stop eating meat. I am talking about people in 1st world countries who are eating meat because of the pleasure meat gives, and not out of necessity.

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@Barney

Can you remove my vote to correct my grammatical errors?

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@Trent0405

I almost did the exact same thing, I was halfway through voting when I remembered that Inteli was Pro, and Imminent was Con, xD

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@Barney
@Trent0405

Can Trent recite so it is more clear?

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@Intelligence_06

No I didn't correct my misuse of Pro and Con

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@Trent0405
@Theweakeredge

No matter how good I am I can’t deny things that exist. It would require me to play rhetorics in order to win.

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@Intelligence_06

I suppose I'll weigh in

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@Trent0405

Did you revote

I messed up Pro and Con a few times in my vote.

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@Intelligence_06

would you like to debate con's intended topic? "It is justified to support the current state of meat industry in 1st world countries". I'll take either side.

I think Con wanted to debate, "It is justified to support the current state of meat industry in 1st world countries". Being more specific helps.

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@seldiora

Intelligence can definitely be beaten, even in this debate, I just think Imminent could have started off with a better case, forcing the BoP on Con, and having an easy time rebutting Intelligence.

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@Theweakeredge

Well, I suppose we will see if my strategy works then

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@ImminentDownfall

That won’t work with intelligence. If you read Oromagi debates, he always starts off very strong and he has never been beaten

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@ImminentDownfall

I suppose yeah... but it wouldn't it better to do that while having a stronger case?

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@Theweakeredge

My second argument is a lot stronger. I tend to start off weak because usually people will start off strong and pour out a lot of their points at once, and then I can attack all their points they just made, while now revealing all my points, which makes people struggle immensely in an argument

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@Intelligence_06

Wow... I am.... very underwhelmed..... Um.... maybe it's a bait? That's all I can see. A bait and switch is the best this argument could be.

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@ImminentDownfall

Really, is that all you have for 30000?

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@ImminentDownfall

that wasn't as nearly as strong as I expected for your username, lol.

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@Intelligence_06

let's just hope Imminent Downfall isn't as strong as Undefeatable, lol. I think he was daunted by his own research. If Bsh1 was con I would not want to be pro.

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@Undefeatable

I had debates where I opened up 30,000 characters but ended up using only 5000 of them.

yeah sure why not

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@Trent0405

eh... yeah. But look at the character count. This guy's gonna destroy any egoist argument possible. If it was 15k it would be a bit harder, but 30k means he gets infinite time to weigh the environmental effects to ultimately harm yourself (you eat meat, and your lungs get polluted). Egoism doesn't work here. Kant's Universalism might work if we can convincingly show reformation can assist the animals well enough.

An ethical egoist could justify it from a moral perspective.

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@ImminentDownfall

Nice topic. I'll be skipping out of this one because I know Con has two strong angles of attack (moral + environment), which is pitted against potential solutions (no obligation, financial gain, reformations, cultural necessity). But Pro side is very difficult to support, and I'm not confident that I can keep my namesake. XD