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#2706

Atheism and theism are both reliant on faith

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After 2 votes and with 8 points ahead, the winner is...

Sum1hugme
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Last updated date
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Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
8,000
Voting period
One month
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Description

Islam is a theistic religion
Buddhism is an atheistic religion

Atheism and theism constantly compete,

I want to prove that under no circumstances can any of them claim superiority if they are distilled from their respective world views

8 000 characters

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@Benjamin

Because no rounds were forfeited

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@Sum1hugme

Bruh, this popped up in the "quality debate" section. I don't think my first debate really is all that great if you know what I mean. Why is it considered "quality"?

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@fauxlaw

"...spoiling what could have been an interesting debate, it wasn't." That made me lol.

Thank you for voting.

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@fauxlaw

Thanks

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@Benjamin

Yes, I will vote on this debate in a couple of days, I promise. As for suggestions, I'll keep that separate from this debate in comments. I'll PM.

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@fauxlaw

You seem to be an expert on these kinds of matters.

Would you like to vote? Maybe even give me some tips on how to win this kind of debate?

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@Theweakeredge

Thank you for voting

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@Sum1hugme

Thank you too.

I have learned a thing or two from you this debate.

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@Benjamin

Thank you for this debate.

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@Sum1hugme

Buddhism is a non-theistic Religion. It therefore doesn't require religious faith because it doesn't posit a god's existence. This is a mute point.

COULD YOU NOT HAVE TOLD THAT EARLIER? YOU USE "RELIGIOUS FAITH" AND THEISM INTERCHANGIABLY.

Well then I assume atheism is not religious the same way Buddhism is not religious. This is definately a fallacy

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@Sum1hugme

I want to point out that no actual burst of rage happened during my last argument.

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@Benjamin

My bad, I meant to say ,"...Gnostic Athiesm doesn't either..." In the final paragraph

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@Benjamin

Yes, yes I can.

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@Sum1hugme

Ok then, but since it is a semantics issue, as you said, can you accept us having a unified definition?

If you don't, your victory will be based on which dictionary one uses.

Can you actually argue against my argument?

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@Benjamin

I'd rather drag this out until I lose than mar my record with a no vote tie in a rated debate

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@Benjamin

The only way I will stop is if you formally concede. Otherwise, I'm always gunning for the win.

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@Sum1hugme

Can we agree that we both claim "we stop this debate - do not vote" as the answer for the last two rounds?

Also, here is a link to the forum, if you wish to debate chilly:
https://www.debateart.com/debates/2706-atheism-and-theism-are-both-reliant-on-faith

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@Benjamin

Well I'm gonna post my round 2 and then it's up to you if you want to keep going or concede.

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@Sum1hugme

Ok, we end this debate. But how?

(also, we could have a debate in the forums that is not too long, and not about the semantics but "essence" of faith)

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@Sum1hugme

Ok, we end this debate. But how?

(also, we could have a debate in the forums that is not too long, and not about the semantics but "essence" of faith)

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@Benjamin

Feel free to concede the debate. I don't really want to have a long long debate about this topic in the forums though, mainly because the resolve is a semantic issue.

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@Sum1hugme

Could we move this debate to the forums?
It seems hard to pull it off in this competition envoroment.

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@Benjamin

source for my faith definitions, sorry

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/faith

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@Benjamin

Lol "late"... Waiting until the last second is my specialty

Sorry for being late, I thought it was posted

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@Benjamin

Could you change the reply time to at lest a couple more days? I'm pretty sure 1 day is impossible as most of us are from different timezones.

People on this debate platform seem to actually care about debating in a good manner, cool.

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@Benjamin

Only one day to reply?

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@Benjamin

So the resolution is really more like "atheism and theism both use faith equally" or atheism and theism are both faiths."?

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@Benjamin

Uh huh, yeah, I definitely disagree, but I'm already in a couple debates I want to at least finish one before I accept anything else.

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@Sum1hugme

I will only focus on showing that they are both faiths

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@Benjamin

Are you saying that you'll be arguing all of these? That seems quite a large burden of proof. Especially with the tight character limit

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@Sum1hugme

Both are claims about the ultimate reality

Both cannot be proven scientifically

Both have been the starting point for religion

Both grow mostly by convincing others and not through reproduction

Both are based on blind faith until they are incorporated into a broader world view

etc

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@Benjamin

Equal in what way? Education? Doctrinal length? Practices?

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@Wagyu

Think of it as a challenge.

We will not debate too broadly, but rather specifically.

I will increase the word limit to 8 thousand, ok?

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@Benjamin

Increase the world limit to 20 000 and i may consider taking this debate. Unless having a low character to work with is the challenge...

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@Benjamin

There's a typo in the topic btw