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Greco Roman Wrestling is preferable to Kung Fu for winning fights

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After 1 vote and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

Sum1hugme
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Fight - take part in a violent struggle involving the exchange of physical blows or the use of weapons; not necessarily restricted by a ruleset
Win - to end the fight by physically subduing the opponent

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@Ehyeh

you believing that will serve the kung fu practitioner very well. :)

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@RationalMadman

Most of your arguments, such as eye gouging, I wouldn't see working on a good wrestler of the same weight. Wrestlers are all about control, and they frequently control jiu jitsu fighters on the ground, who are all about chokes and breaking bones. So the argument that they can just gouge their eyes out or "break their fingers" isn't going to work 8/10 of the time. In a fight, Bruce Lee and Jacky Chan would almost certainly be completely controlled by a wrestler. A good wrestler will take you down no matter how good your "kung fu dodging skills" and "kung fu breathing" is. In a real fight you're going to get gassed if someone doesn't get knocked out in the first 3 minutes.

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@Ehyeh

you clearly didn't read my explanation in the debate as to why kung fu is nerfed in UFC format. observe the rules.

All it takes is to look at the UFC to know which is the best martial arts. Wrestlers dominate. Kung fu? not so much. If a woman wants to learn a fighting style, I suggest jiu jitsu.

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@Theweakeredge

How could I have done better?

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@Theweakeredge

Thank you for voting

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@Sum1hugme

I tried to vote as fairly as possible, do remember that I'm not entirely knowledgable here - but I do think that you had some... bad arguments in there, you really only won because your opponent dropped points - that's not a victory of skill, that's a victory of luck - always always make sure that your evidence is more substantive, if RMM decided to use some better sources you could have lost this.

Vote bump

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@RationalMadman

Ah don't be that way, it's only three rounds and I had to address your new arguments.

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@Theweakeredge

You are interested in fighting. Please consider voting

bunch of brand new sources and arguments in final Round, is that some kind of wrestling etiquette lol

Dear Judges, please take the time to look at and compare our sources, as they are integral to my argument.

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@RationalMadman

Lol

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@Sum1hugme

the link I posted regarding gun defence actually agrees with you but in Round 3 I will explain why wrestling is still worse.

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@Sum1hugme

Much like the rules inhibit the kungfu master in an MMA ring, the rules here restrict you. The question is if you can adapt to the enemy and situation or not ;)

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@RationalMadman

I'm really having trouble fitting this into character limit. So i'm gonna have to cut out a lot of quotation.

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@Sum1hugme

*akin not askin

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@Safalcon7

You are confusing kung fu for karate or something. Kung fu isn't a strike-specific martial art, it's an extreme hybrid.

In my opinion, wrestlers have more flexibility and time to apply techniques in a street fight while also besting their attackers with strength. Strikers as in Kung fu specialists might have a long range advantage of kicking right into oblivion but they've got less time to make that work. In turn, they're mentally challenged to make some quick moves and thus most probably make a mistake on the way. In an ideal scenario of a wrestler vs striker, the wrestler ducks and takes you down even before the kick or the punch comes to play. And then the striker has very less to offer since he's going deep under the pressure on that concrete.

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@RationalMadman

The days of being specifically a striker or a grappler specialist are behind us. The modern MMA fighter wins because they are well rounded. While MMA isn't perfect, it is a fantastic arena to test what techniques work and what don't. However, I would want them to remove the gloves and remove the rounds in favor of just one 25 minute round.

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@Sum1hugme

Ironically, you are wrong and so are MMA-supremacists.

MMA-supremacists believe thar MMA ring-fighting is the supreme sport environment to judge one's real world application of their martial arts. The reason Kung Fu is rarely the championed martial art of am MMA fighter is that they tend to specialise either in striking or grappling, not in swift combo maneuvers that revolve around dodging and turning aggression against the opponent, that makes for a weak MMA show.

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@RationalMadman

MMA is any combination of techniques from different arts, it isn't a style in itself. An individual developing a particular style of MMA fighting is the natural product of ruthlessly applying epistemology to ones martial art.

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@RationalMadman

Lol to answer your question, the wrestler would throw him on his head.

I hope we can have more martial art debates.

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@Sum1hugme

Wrestling is great once you're neck and neck with the enemy, however even then, what will you do when a Kung Fu master uses their elbows and leg-positioning to make you incapable of maintaining the grapple?

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@Sum1hugme

A lot of MMA-supremacists talk about how now superstar champions Kung Fu, yet if they properly knew what Kung Fu was, so many of these MMA guys are using Kung Fu and Karate principles and footwork, let alone specific teachings of how to angle kicks and grappling that aren't part of their claimed martial art.

I have seen guy say they are thai boxers in MMA who are actually doing Karate style roundhouse instead of Muay Thai when they deliver the killer kick.

People think Kung Fu is just for show, instead it is one of the best martial arts for show because it has so much depth to it. It is a way of life.

Karate is also a way of life but a very aggressive one with a type of discipline that Kung Fu preaches differently. Both are 'deep' though, however Kung Fu is definitely 'deeper' and any Karate master would admit that because simplicity is an important aspect of how Karate combos are developed, whereas the highest level of Kung Fu involves extremely nuance, bluffing and calculated tactics in ways Karate does not.

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@RationalMadman

There's a difference between a martial artist and a martial arts themed entertainer; and the same difference separates martial arts from martial arts themed entertainment.

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@Sum1hugme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dxab06e91A
https://youtu.be/PcEvGP7eVPE?t=95

You'd best be ready.