On balance, self-driving cars are ethical
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5. We are referring "self-driving cars" to the overall concept of a self-driving car, instead of any one brand of self-driving cars.
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1: of or relating to ethics2: involving or expressing moral approval or disapproval3: conforming to accepted standards of conduct4: of a drug : restricted to sale only on a doctor's prescription
1 ethics plural in form but singular or plural in construction : the discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and obligation
- Deal with good and bad
- Deal with moral duty/obligation
- A self-driving AI does the right things and doesn't do the wrong things and chooses what to do by analyzing the presented scenario, doing the right things and avoiding the wrong things.
- The AI morally approves and disapproves things by doing or not doing it.
- The AI is obligated to obey the commands of the drivers as well as delivering the car to the destination while keeping the car intact. The car is trained to obey only the best choices it can provide. That is practicing moral obligations.
- Self-driving cars conform to some extent of standard by being legal in most of the US as well as being ready in many different countries.
- By definition, a self driving car is ethical.
On balance, self-driving cars are ethical.
Definitions accepted, and I see no references to the ethicality of a motor vehicle per se....So no....Motor vehicles, self driven or otherwise are not subject to ethical scrutiny.
- P1: If a self-driving car deals with right and wrong, act out in a way that evaluates and judges the rightness of an action, and meets the standard conduct, it is ethical.
- P2: A self-driving car certainly does that and there is nothing so far disproving the fact that automated cars do so
- C1: A self-driving car is ethical.
One would suggest that ethics are assumed human qualities and consequent judgements, that humans apply to themselves and to others. Rather than judgements made by an object itself, or by humans directly of an object.....So no......Ethicality does not apply.
Within this context, the ethics of powered transport have long since been globally established and accepted by the majority. Therefore the proposition becomes a tad disingenuous.
So actually and "on balance" It would be better to say that self-driving cars per se, do not necessitate ethical consideration, and therefore are neither ethical nor unethical.
- Attempts of challenging Pro's position is not based on authentic evidence and Con assumes that ethicality is a human quality, which is suggested by nothing authentic and given.
- Attempts of challenging Pro's R1 arguments are nonexistent, or at least amount to nothing because anything that may suggest to it is based on the assumption that ethicality is a human quality, which is unproven.
- Con agrees that a self-driving car is ethical in the 3rd sense.
- Con's final conclusion means nothing since "Unethical" is "not ethical".
- Overall, Con's argument, at places, is not consistent with its position. Con did not successfully dismantle my argument. Pro's arguments still stand. Vote Pro.
P1. "If"..... Then yes it would.
But:Currently, motor vehicle transport computer systems are programmed to do what they do. Whether that be systems management or self-driving.Self-driving cars will function either correctly or incorrectly relative to their programming. Ethical considerations are not the remit of non-human objects
One sees no reason to criticise computers per se....Computers currently function relative to programming.... Therefore criticism can only be aimed at programmers and manufacturers.
Currently there is no exception to the fact that sentient function and consequent decisions in relation to motor vehicle transport are solely the responsibility of the human.
Rather:A globally accepted mode of transport to which the human applies accepted and expected standards. Thereby bestowing all necessity of conduct solely upon the human, to provide safe and efficient options.
Q. Does the function of a self driving car, rely upon that car making ethical judgements.A. Currently no.
- Self-driving cars make decisions just like humans and consider the choices either right and wrong and act out the ones they consider right.
- Self-driving cars act by tenets such as "always deliver the owner of the car when demanded" or "Try not to cause crashes" in which the computer would consider right.
- Those two statements, if true, fits the definition of "ethical" in which Con agrees with.
- Those two claims are not successfully rebutted, and thus stands.
- Con assumes baselessly that ethicality is human.
- Con assumes baselessly that self-driving cars are not capable of making decisions, even though they are[3].
- Con assumes baselessly that cars' making mistakes are the faults of the car company and not itself, which does not mean self-driving cars don't do things that are considered to be "ethical".
- Self-driving cars are, to an extent, accepted by standard conduct in the world, thus making it, ethical.
- Con agreed with that.
- Overall, the acts of self-driving cars suits the definition of "ethical", making it just to conclude that, self-driving cars are ethical.
- Vote Pro.
CONCLUSIONS
- Self-driving cars make decisions just like humans and consider the choices either right and wrong and act out the ones they consider right.
- Self-driving cars act by tenets such as "always deliver the owner of the car when demanded" or "Try not to cause crashes" in which the computer would consider right.
- Those two statements, if true, fits the definition of "ethical" in which Con agrees with.
- Those two claims are not successfully rebutted, and thus stands.
- Con assumes baselessly that ethicality is human.
- Con assumes baselessly that self-driving cars are not capable of making decisions, even though they are[3].
- Con assumes baselessly that cars' making mistakes are the faults of the car company and not itself, which does not mean self-driving cars don't do things that are considered to be "ethical".
- Self-driving cars are, to an extent, accepted by standard conduct in the world, thus making it, ethical.
- Con agreed with that.
- Overall, the acts of self-driving cars suits the definition of "ethical", making it just to conclude that, self-driving cars are ethical.
- Vote Pro.
Pro build an argument from tautology (true because of how it's defined), and con agreed with said definitions but tried a kritik that humans are incapable of applying values to non-humans.
Within the definitions under considering, autonomous vehicles by driving themselves as pro has described are clearly "conforming to accepted standards of conduct." Their programed obligation does not succeed in negating that they preform said duty. If con had brought up any source showing malfunctions, this would another matter.
Pro's sources on AI's proved they are indeed making decisions, decisions we can judge. He was further able to call back to previous sources between rounds. Con conversely had zero citations.
The Drone pilot however remote is the one that decides to release the bomb.
Anyway, thanks for the debate. it was an interesting subject.
I only debate occasionally and primarily only for fun, and with no regard to winning or loosing....Though I do take the content seriously.
Best of luck.
"Drones are still flown....... And they do not consider the ethicality of warfare."
But they consider the ethicality of who they should shoot, where they should go, etc. They may not know why they are here but they always knows what the next right move is for them. That falls into the definition of "ethical".
That said, a remote-control drone is as autonomous as the average volkswagen Golf.
How about steal a copy of GTA online, much cheaper than a car
Nope. I mean the idea of self-driving cars is ethical, etc.
Do you mean "owning a self driving car is ethical?"
Don't worry about efficiency. I have lots of experience. After a few tries I am sure a car I steal will be usable, and the other ones I can give to my friends. The most ethical car must be either the go-kart or the Gangster car. You know what, imma go and steal a tank. It would grant safety and the belts don't ever deflate.
Stealing is too inefficient as it usually yields used cars that probably have parts too broken to be comfortable to be used. You are at a risk of the car being only borderline drivable if you steal.
However, you can buy a used or even a new car, meant to be driven and probably even comfortable to drive. You have no idea if random people off the streets have the reputation of keeping the car in good condition.
And if car itself is unethical to you, then don’t buy one and don’t steal one. If you would want one, don’t steal. Buy.
I am curious, though, what type of cars is the most ethical to you?
Which new car model should I steal? Ethics is really important to me, and I would not want an immoral car.
There are more ethical cars to choose from. If you are unhappy, buy a new one.
If you are too poor to do that... then sorry, I do not have the relevant advice, maybe you should seek the rest of the internet.
My own car is unethical.
Interested?