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Create A Religion


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A battle of theology. Each of us shall do their best to create a religion with its own beliefs, pantheon, and history. IT MUST BE FICTITIOUS. Voters will decide who wins based on its believability(could it convert you?), cohesiveness(does it contradict itself anywhere), and just how interesting it is(make it cool bruh). Inspiration may come from outside sources and pictures are allowed, either made yourself or(if you are untalented like myself) stolen from the internet. If your theology is too closely resembling an existing theology(The God of my pantheon is Yeezus who was killed by capitalist Romans on a cross) than that is grounds for disqualification. That said, if it randomly resembles some super unknown fan fic religion, we can possibly let it pass. Just try to be honest. The first round is used only for the purpose of explaining your theology. The second round may be used to further explain your theology or attempt to debunk their theology as they explained in the round prior. And may the best theologian win!

Round 1
          My Religion:
Name: Sperianism(Sper=Hope)

Secular History:
Founded in the year 2234 by the Patriarch and Matriarch of the religion, Travis and Amber Davies. During a time of great upheaval and scientific discovery, the understanding and advances of AI had reached their pinnacle. While a majority of the world still coalesced into depression, frustration, and anger caused by gradually increased amounts of unchecked social media and internet addiction, Travis and Amber were members of the House of Commons in England. Originally their family coming from Yorkshire, they chose to move to London in hopes of becoming a more influential part of their society. With the progression of Artificial Intelligence, much of the world had agreed through necessity to allow the majority of important decisions to be made by algorithms. After having nearly destroyed the planet, a coalition of scientists from among several forefront countries chose that rather than side with their nation they would side with humanity and hand over control of all nuclear missiles to a collective AI forcing worldwide cooperation. With AI in charge, many previously unattainable goals were possible such as global regulation on climate change and universal rights for any within these nations. Much of the world viewed this as successful globalism and while much still had to be enforced by human means, the conceptual part of government was considered perfect.  After being there in London for several years, Martin and Amber found themselves only feeling disillusioned by their government as now their human aspects of government decision making were almost completely useless. As a result they chose to sell all they had and travel in search of greater meaning for their lives. They traveled to the technological wonders of the world, from the Hub at Iceland to the Ethereum Pyramid of India but found themselves wanting something more simplistic. They chose then to visit one of the only places left that wasn’t largely ruled by AI, the Polynesian islands. Considered then to be barbaric and unintelligent nations, the couple quickly learned how false these beliefs were. While they didn’t have many of the easy luxuries of the mainland that were provided by sophisticated technology, they were still happier and more at peace than many other peoples of the world. As of this time in humanity, religion had almost entirely become a bygone thing as well as AI analysis of any spiritual belief could find it to not be entirely truthful resulting in what was called the Spiritual Antithesis in 2105. For a few generations, religions still held some prominence but soon found themselves on the wayside in favor of faith in technology. Now the only belief resembling religion was the fervor with which people trusted in their computerized government. Even in the Polynesian isles, as the Davies would find out, only a few still believed in old religious tales. One of these few, Patane Ioane, became close friends and mentor to the Davies. He taught them of the old beliefs, of Tagaloa who was creator and of their own beliefs prophesied to end by another religion by Nafanua. While this usurping belief had once been thought to be Christianity, the Davies challenged Ioane explaining that while Christianity no longer existed his belief had found its way to survive and thus his prophecy needs to still be fulfilled. The Davies went island by island and convinced the remaining religious leaders to council together at the famed Court of Aiga. The Davies, knowing these councilmen had a suspicion of technology having been told their entire lives that their belief was falsified by AI, chose instead of disproving them to create a belief with these councilmen as well as using AI to check its legitimacy, originally in secret, until nearly 2 years into deliberation they revealed what they had been doing and convinced the remaining council members to continue regardless as such progress had already been made. While others had undertaken this concept before, none had found a system of beliefs that computer intelligence could verify as truthful using their known current knowledge. The Davies then spent the remainder of their lives, nearly 70 years, working with these councilmen to develop a belief considered truthful. The end result was Sperianism, a belief centered in human philosophy using largely European as well as Polynesian syntax that recognized an extinct pair of deities who instructed creation. Shortly after their scripture's final creation, named the Speria, it quickly became a staple of human belief, believed to be the ultimate culmination of humanness and computed knowledge. Still, Speriansim faced all of the same obstacles of many previous religions and while becoming popular, never became the official belief of any nation.

The Truth's of Life: 
  1. Life is designed to necessitate suffering. Suffering creates humility and gratitude, developing hope. 
  2. Suffering is made possible by weakness.
  3. Accepting weakness and choosing to constantly improve brings hope and understanding.
  4. Weakness is failure in self control of one’s actions, one’s thoughts, and one’s emotions.
  5. A lack of suffering breeds indifference and imbalance.
  6. Weakness comes from the spirit, liberated by the death of the body
  7. The spirit is created by Tama Alu(Father Gone) and Tina Alu(Mother Gone)
  8. Continuous change is a result of human variation, interdependence a result of human commonality.
  9. Harmony comes from acceptance of change and lack of true independence.
  10. All sources of life come from other life.
  11. Spirit is the intelligence to be aware of morality and its consequences.
  12. All living carry the responsibility of life's continuation.
The Creation:
The Book of Olaga: 1. All things were, are, and will be in a constant state of change. So it was in the beginning. 2. Two beings of unknown power, known only to humankind as Father and Mother, or Tama and Tina, set upon reality to exact change. 3. With the universe in constant demand for rest, these two beings reprimand its desire. 4. They look out to the cold, darkened space and say one to another, "This is of no spirit, no life, and no death. Only existence. We shall cause there to be a great change that there may be progress." 5. Tama and Tina then collected all there was in space, gave it renewed energy, and set it loose. 6. Boundless, this change runs out still into the open dark to fill the void with its chaos. 7. As their first goal was now complete, they waited to begin their second. 8. They waited until a place was ready, a place known later to its people as Earth, where they could provide life. 8. When Earth was ready, at once they seized their opportunity to place small, simple life that it may grow and change to whatever it saw fit. 9. Within this life they wrote the code for spirit, that one day something may feel as they do. 10. Their task complete, they retreated from existence, leaving this life to whatever misfortune, bounty, wonder, or pain it may endure. 11. Their will, unknowable, their motive unclear. 12. Yet the consequences of life continues still.

Basic Practices:

1. Organization: Sperianism, unlike many religions, is not focused on any large and laddered leadership model. Only the organizing itself amongst those living is encouraged, whatever form it may take, so long as it is done with the purpose of the following two tenets. It is widely encouraged to develop familial, friendly, and communal groups for support, communication, and growth. If leadership is required, allow it to be chosen organically and democratically that those most suited and comfortable may fill the position.
2. Responsibility: The greatest focal point of human suffering is an inability to accept weakness, or a lack of responsibility. Finding responsibility in oneself first, then within a community, allows for hope, improvement, and accountability. If one is unable to face responsibility for themselves, they will forever be haunted by their spirit. If one is unable to face responsibility among others, they will forever be haunted by those around them. The key to finding responsibility is meditation, mentoring, and mental fortitude.
3. Self and Collective Improvement: All life grows in different ways, but human life grows in more ways than one. We as humankind must grow physically, mentally, and emotionally. Growing in these three areas is both difficult and exhausting. Accomplishing this task is nearly impossible alone, as humans are not given all the tools to complete this task themselves which requires us to gather together for strength. Once able to accept responsibility, the true path begins to face these challenges and overcome them as best as possible. To find the greatest results, humans are meant to both be students and teachers with one another. To teach one patience while also learning frugality from another or to mentor gratitude while learning charity is the synergistic power our species holds. To live without goals or improvement is to choose to decline and fall and us such is constantly, consistently required.

The Samoan symbol for wave:(I used the first, couldn't get the pic to cooperate)(
Representative of the source of life as well as life's continued need for change.

This is my first bout, thank you for your patience and accepting. And good luck!
There's no structure laid out in the description and both me rebutting in this Round or not doing so could be seen as unfair on Pro. I will choose not to do so. Instead, I will point out some fundamental flaws in the nature of BoP in this debate and run a creative case whereby I believe I shall win due to both my religion being more believable than Pro's and at the same time Pro's violating the 'not resembling religions' more so than me.


BoP in this debate (as per the description) is a rather self-contradictory trap, which I knowingly agreed to when accepting.

We are asked to present to you a religion that is more believable than the opponent's, in one aspect of the BoP, yet the other side of the stated BoP is to be the side that least resembled any established religion at all that could lead to it being disqualified as truly 'fictitious'.

How can I present to you a believable religion, that is securely more believable than my opponent's and then establish it as definitely fictitious such as to win this battle? Even I don't know how but I don't care because all I have to do, as the second debater here, is construct a religion that is both more believable and yet less resembles any real religion in comparison with Pro's (a privilege Pro can't remotely negate in a 2-Round debate). If I fail this, I really screwed up, if I win, I merely played my position as well as it inevitably would be by a proficient strategist here.


followers: Simply called Seloo-Shaman or alertnatively dubbed Seloora
That is the name of my religion, which is linked to the name of the primary organisation of demigods within it; the Seloo. Why the 'rem'? Nothing to do with this songI assure you, it's just a way to end it off and my religion is much more linked to words like 'problem' 'anthem' etc than the typical idea like '-ity' or 'ism' since what you will discover is my religion sees itself as merely a thing that results from other actions. 

The Seloo are the 'alpha' alien/demigod organisation way beyond this realm that we call our universe. They aren't physiological aliens as you and I know them, they're outside this simulation entirely. I know, I know, you're going to accuse me of either copying The Matrix or Star Trek here, please bear with me, I copied nothing. Unfortunately, I think my religion does slightly resemble Hinduism but it's virtually impossible to not resemble anything at all, for instance Pro's resembles values in Confucianism and Buddhism with elements even of Islam in it to do with how are supposed to endure hardships without complaining (stoicism is the overall concept).  I'll go more into how Pro's religion represents real religions in Round 2, since it depends what he accuses me of copying in terms of how harsh or lenient I should declare 'copying'.

The Seloo consist of a group of 7 demigods though it is possible instead of 7 individuals it is 7 pairs or even groups. The Seloo have no set form, so this ambiguity isn't an issue for the followers of the religion.

Unlike most religions, each 'element' involved in the mix tends to have two components, not just one.

The Seloo (singular also 'Seloo'):

Spoora - Goddess of creativity and chaos
Keera - God of fury and destruction
Borem - God of patience and caution
Smoogel - God of secrecy and deception
Primrohsahlee - Goddess of complexity and depth
Aathyloo (aath-igh-loo not ah-thee-loo)) - Goddess of knowledge and intellect
Qveroo (not typo, Qv not Qu) - Genderqueer God of adaptability and balance

These 7 Seloo were the original 7 people of our reality (or groups of people, it is not known if each god and goddess is merely a masculine and feminine energy type that is in fact a group of demigods). They had no why to their creation beyond that it seems to be axiomatic that they'd inevitably all be needed to balance one another out (as Qveroo would agree and is seen as the leader among the group though they're all equally powerful).

Qveroo is possibly the first created or the last, it's not known or important, the force beyond them is an unnamed, untouchable force. It is not the 'god' as we know it, it doesn't hear you or care about your affairs, only the Seloo do. It is the Seloo that you ultimately pray to.

Each of the 7 has their own agenda with what reality is supposed to resemble and be like and it tends to be that in heated disputes that Qveroo has to settle them down, it is part of why the Seloo' got their name, Keerah wasn't happy about it but in fact he was the cause of the original dispute as he kept destroying everything they came up with. While they can't directly hurt or 'punish' each other, each of the Seloo crave the unity of the other 6 with them as some innate, inbuilt need so even Keerah needs them and their rejection makes him weak, which is irritating (they don't have emotions as us mortals have, they're hormone-less but they do experience dissatisfaction on a spiritual level).

They are predicted to have many underlings, demigods and sub-factions serving each Seloo but all that's known or ultimately matters character-wise is those 7. 

They do kind of have 'forms' as depicted by some artists who believed in the religion as it evolved but it is well known that they are beyond the physical realm entirely, though Spoora probably is the most appreciative of the depictions and is most certainly envious of us mortals for having a physical form to be vain about and dress up.

The moral code of the follower of Seloorem is not a strict set of rules but just as Qveroo is in some ways the unofficial leader of the pack, there is an emphasis on balance and appreciating the many aspects of life and people. It is extremely immoral in Seloorem to censor and oppose those that are simply strange and offputting, instead those who directly are a danger to the further balance and serenity of each individual being their weird self is worth censoring and controlling.

To stand in the way of individualistic expression is very against Seloorem whilst being evil in a very individualistic, fascinating way is not inherently against it though it is condemned by most followers of it and has been throughout history. Most warmongerers of history like Genghis Khan through to Bonaparte through to Hitler could be seen as actually supporting the religion though you must remember Borem when analysing how genuine a follower of it is.

You see, a genuine, thoroughbred shaman/guru/monk of the religion (they don't care what term you use, the females prefer shaman or Seloora though) will aim to consistently represent all seven at all times in some way. Lacking in any one of the seven aspects and denying its necessity to reality is a grave error in the religion and they believe reality itself has proven that many times. This religion has Borem and Qveroo which allude to a peaceful side to the religion but none of the Seloo directly value peace itself, instead among even the Seloo themselves, peace is simply a result of equal powers keeping each other team (especially in the case of Keera). This doesn't mean diplomacy is negated, Selooras seek to be very diplomatic indeed until it's disallowed for them to be and remain true to being pro-individuality.

Let's say you have a scenario on a small-scale where someone you know is being mistreated at work/school. You should approach it in a way that lacks none of the seven. There's no Seloo that represents courage itself just as there is no god of cowardice (Borem is not a coward, when the time comes for him to fight he is very ready to, it was actually primarily Borem who stopped our world being ended each and every time our species proved to be nothing much more than a parasite to the planet, votes on annihilating a creation need to be unanimous, Borem voted against it ever since our planet began because he saw the potential in it and us humans and no reason to stop this project).

Borem is in fact possibly the most terrifying of the Seloo to truly aggravate, for when Borem has seen something as wrong, he will not say it at first, he will wait, he will watch and will help it go worse bit by bit until everyone agrees there's a problem with the situation. Borem and Smoogel are good friends actually, there are indeed 'pairings' or friendships among them.

You do get some who prefer one faction/Seloo (remember, there's no consensus on if the Seloo are individuals or groups of merged consciousness in 7 factions) over the rest but generally even they tend to appreciate 2. Keera is in fact ironically a significant ally of Qveroo, despite it having been Qveroo who, after Borem, forced Keera to settle down in his earlier days (when they began Keera destroyed everything nonstop, it was infuriating and he loved that spreading of fury amongst the Seloo, though their version of anger is less 'intense' than ours it is definitely there and experienced (they don't have the hormones or body to experience anger as we know and feel it).

During the colonisation of both Christian and Islamic nations history books got rewritten and due to Smoogel's philosophy and teachings of his sect within the religion, as well as Qveroo's, the followers agreed to completely deny the religion ever existed. They invented other names for it, merging with Hindus in India and begging the Seloo who cared to help them survive and avoid persecution any further and they did. They wiped the memory even of most of the believers of the original name of their religion, which took a lot of teamwork between them, Spoora was in charge of the recreating of false memories and names and led to many Paganist variations of it, from Wicca to Hinduism to Jainism to Taoism all of which have elements of it (and more of course). It's plausible they even wiped out ancient drawings/carvings and writings linked to it but that's for you to figure out. The Seloo are very willing to oblige reasonable prayers of extraordinary power-requirement and very reluctant to oblige prayers that are deemed not really focusing on what the seven stand for.

I practise Seloorem everyday and will deny I do by the end of this debate, as that's required to win it and abides by several of the Seloo's teachings.

You may ask what we are then, our world, our reality, it's just one of may experiments of theirs, a fun experiment, they're trapped in a hell of their own and need us to cure their boredom. If we are reborn it may be in another reality of an alternate 'redo of these events' but those are seldom done and only when significant dispute between the 7 can't be resolved, especially if even Qveroo can't find a win-win scenario.
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