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Russia creates propaganda targeted towards the West to spread misinformation about GMOs

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There have been allegations that Russia has created a misinformation campaign regarding GMOs in order to bolster its own agricultural sector.

We would be debating the resolution: Russia creates propaganda targeted towards the West to spread misinformation about GMOs

As Pro BoP is on me to prove that Russia is spreading information about GMOs, that this information is indeed false, and that this is all part of a propaganda effort.

"Hmm... so when I ask if government should intervene in my vagina or should people have the freedom to choose who grows in their body when your saying it's the leftists outlawing my personal autonomy?"

This is a special exception. Just like the social contract the woman has a type of unwritten contract with her child not to murder it. When leftists claim this is about men wanting to control women it's disingenuous. The anti abortion laws are about preventing murders.

"so when I ask if government should intervene in our American right to vote or should people have the freedom to choose their president by majority every four years, you're saying its the leftists trying to illegally hold on to the White House?"

Is this your way of arguing against making elections secure, because you know that insecure elections where cheating is allowed will always be won by Democrats because of their lack of morality?

"He is right. Right wing should be defined basically as anti statist and left wing should be defined as pro statist...."

Uh....but my definition is rooted in history and is defined true to the maker's intent at coinage- whereas your definition was merely shat out of you on impulse without consultation of any standard work of reference. And you yourself are a notoriously unreliable, anti-dependable fake news fountain of toxic bullshit. So....

When you ask questions like "should government intervene here or should people have freedom" the left always chooses government intervention at the cost of negative liberties

Hmm... so when I ask if government should intervene in my vagina or should people have the freedom to choose who grows in their body when your saying it's the leftists outlawing my personal autonomy?
Hmm....so when I ask if government should intervene in our American right to vote or should people have the freedom to choose their president by majority every four years, you're saying its the leftists trying to illegally hold on to the White House?

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@RationalMadman

But most conservatives support GMOS.

Better than France xD!!! Same as Canada?!!!!
Right, sure sure.

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@oromagi

He is right. Right wing should be defined basically as anti statist and left wing should be defined as pro statist. Under this definition people like Adolph Hitler Mussolini and che Guevara all have their similar ideologies on statism on one side and anti statists like Thomas Jefferson would be on the right side of the political spectrum. When I am arguing against leftism it's usually an argument against the fact you guys want to be subjects to the government as opposed to free citizens.

When you ask questions like "should government intervene here or should people have freedom" the left always chooses government intervention at the cost of negative liberties

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@RationalMadman

You are defining right-wing so simple-minded btw.

I am just using Wikipedia's definition. Why make it more complicated than that unless you are trying (as most do) to redefine the terms to suit your own bias?

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@RationalMadman

"There is a reason why out of all highly developed nations, America is the one (or certainly tied joint last with others, at best) with the least provision for its poor."

I don't buy this factoid. Of the 66 nations the UN calls highly developed, US ranks 17th in human development and socioeconomic sustainability- worse than Germany, better than France, same as Canada.

Furthermore, I challenge the notion that liberty and equality (the measure of leftism) necessarily imply maximal provision for its poor. The poor of Singapore enjoy better food and shelter than US poor but they are far less free and equal than the US poor.

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@oromagi

You are defining right-wing so simple-minded btw.

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@oromagi

Until recent times, there wasn't any point in history since US began that China was more right-wing than it. It's extremely debatable today if it is or not. I agree with you that it isn't more left-wing than modern US but the margin is less than you think when you factor in overall society and economics.

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@oromagi

There is a reason why out of all highly developed nations, America is the one (or certainly tied joint last with others, at best) with the least provision for its poor.

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@PREZ-HILTON

I'm pretty close to libertarian which is about as right wing as it gets and

We have established before that you remain willfully uneducated regarding standard definitions in political ideology. Read a book some time.

"Libertarianism originated as a form of left-wing politics such as anti-authoritarian and anti-state socialists like anarchists, especially social anarchists, but more generally libertarian communists/Marxists and libertarian socialists. These libertarians seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production, or else to restrict their purview or effects to usufruct property norms, in favor of common or cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty."

"by your definition that would make Republicans (the conservative party) liberal."

The Republican Party was founded as the most Liberal party in US history. Abolition and Suffrage were primarily Republican causes until Teddy Roosevelt broke the Progressives off and made them Democrats and the Civil Rights movement broke the Dixiecrats off and make them Republicans. There is no definition of politically Conservative that matches or describes the modern Republican Party, but traditional American Leftism was perfectly compatible with traditional American Republicanism.

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I am sure the past rednecks and blacks alike would have something to say to your BS. That is ignoring the raped and slaughtered natives."

But to make your false claim of "as right-wing as it gets" hold any water, you would have to show that US treatment of Native Americans was objectively a greater enforcement of hierarchies (right-wing) than the Spanish Casta system or the French elite/noirs system in Haiti or the castration of slaves in the Chinese and Ottoman Empires, etc. I would not claim that the US has always been the most Left-Wing of governments but to say that America has always been the most Right-wing suggests profound ignorance of much of modern world history. There has never been a time in the past 300 years when China, India, Russia, were more left-wing than the US contemporary to that time. America was not the first nation to criminalize slavery but it was ahead of most non-Western nations. America was not the first country to enfranchise women and racial minorities but it was ahead of most other countries.

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@RationalMadman

The native Americans were mistreated and fell victim to immigration and cultural genocide. Is it really right wingers that push for mass immigration and cultural genocide or is that some other group?

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@oromagi

I'm pretty close to libertarian which is about as right wing as it gets and by your definition that would make Republicans (the conservative party) liberal

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@oromagi

I am sure the past rednecks and blacks alike would have something to say to your BS. That is ignoring the raped and slaughtered natives.

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@RationalMadman

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@oromagi
America has been as right-wing as it gets throughout most of its history.

This is objectively false. The Frenchmen who coined the term Left-Wing literally, explicitly coined the term to mean "Let's be more like the Americans and their Revolution for human liberty and human equality."

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@oromagi

America has been as right-wing as it gets throughout most of its history.

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@PREZ-HILTON

"Right-wing politics is generally defined by support of the view that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable."
" Left-wing politics is the support of social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy.["

Pretty simple. If you believe (as Americans do) that all people were created equal you are a traditional leftist. If you believe that some sexes, races, classes of people are superior to others, you are a rightist. All kings and dictators throughout history are right wing by definition. All democracies are left wing by definition.

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@RationalMadman

What is your definition of rightwing?

I would define left and right wing as follows

leftwing= Government interventionists. Thinks the government should control everything
rightwing= prioritizes individual liberty over government interventionism.

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@Conservallectual

It is. This is what the right wing has done throughout history.

I thought the Russian government was right wing?

The difference between Russians and Americans is that Russians know their media is nothing but propaganda