The specific sections of the Patriot act I will be addressing in this case are
- SEC. 213. AUTHORITY FOR DELAYING NOTICE OF THE EXECUTION OF A WARRANT.
- SEC. 215. ACCESS TO RECORDS AND OTHER ITEMS UNDER THE FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE ACT.
- SEC. 218. FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION
- SEC. 412. MANDATORY DETENTION OF SUSPECTED TERRORISTS
The amendments I believe the Patriot Act to be in violation of are
- The 1st amendment,
- The 4th amendment,
- The 5th amendment,
- the 6th amendment
- And the 8th amendment
As pro, I have the burden of proof. For con to win, con must defend ALL my arguments. For pro to win, I must prove that at least one section of the USA Patriot Act violates at least one amendment of the United States Constitution.
Argument 1: Section 213 violates the fourth amendment
Section 213 states in order “to search for and seize any property or material that constitutes evidence of a criminal offense in violation of the laws of the United States, any notice required, or that may be required, to be given may be delayed” this violates the fourth amendment which clearly states a warrant must be given for search and seizure and a clear description for the place to be searched. Notice is important as it allows the person being searched to point out irregularities in the warrant and what the police are searching, this section allows police to search at their discretion.
Argument 2: Section 215 violates the first and fourth amendment
Section 215 states the FBI “may make an application for an order requiring the product of any tangible things (including books, records, papers, documents, and other items) for an investigation to protect against international terrorism or cladestine intelligence activities provided that such investigation of a United states person is not conducted solely upon the basis of activities protected by the first amendment” the issues with this are
- It violates the 4th amendment. The fourth amendment requires a warrant for search and seizure, this requires no warrant.
- It violates the 1st amendment. The section says the investigation must be “not conducted SOLELY upon the basis of activities protected by the first amendment”; it does not say it cannot be partially based on activities protected by the first amendment. The first amendment protects freedom of speech, but this section threatens to take that away. The document goes on to further state “no person shall disclose to any other person (other than those persons necessary to produce the tangible things) that the FBI has sought or obtained tangible things under this section” this further violates the first amendment by forcing the persons necessary to produce the tangible things to not speak of it. This brings up another problem, if it is say, a doctor that is forced to produce the records of patients, patients couldn’t even defend their rights as they would have no knowledge of the search and seizure
Argument 3: Section 218 violates the fourth amendment
section 104 of The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, NOT the Patriot act HAD the criteria for electronic surveillance to take place that “the purpose of the surveillance is to obtain foreign intelligence information;” Which is perfectly constitutional and reasonable, however, the Patriot Act amends this to say “a SIGNIFICANT purpose of the surveillance is to obtain foreign intelligence information”, this new wording allows surveillance that is not fully based on foreign intelligence information, and it could be based on numerous other factors. The fourth amendment states there must be a probable cause for a search and seizure. For clarification, I DO believe since surveillance based solely on foreign intelligence information and approved by the executive branch it is not in violation of the fourth amendment. section 218 on the other hand, requires it is only PARTIALLY based on foreign intelligence information, which I DO believe to be in violation of the fourth amendment.
Argument 4: Section 412 Violates the 5th, 6th, and 8th amendment
Section 412 mandates detainment of suspected terrorists without need for due process or even a trial. Furthermore, if one’s country will not allow them back in, and they are still seen as a threat to national security, they are to be detained indefinitely. This is undeniably a CLEAR violation of three amendments: the 5th amendment as the suspected terrorist does not go through due process, 6th amendment as they do not have a speedy and public trial and finally, the 8th amendment as per the lengthy and disproportionate detainment length. Now as to who is determined to be a suspected terrorist, there are many different reasons specified for why, including the broad claim of the person being “engaged in any” “activity that endangers the national security of the United States". But I would like to zero in on one in specific, if a person “is the spouse or child of an alien who” the United States determines as having reasonable cause to believe they are a terrorist and “if the activity causing the alien to be found inadmissible occurred within the last 5 years” they are a suspected terrorist. To be clear, this means a child can be detained indefinitely without a trial, purely because their parent is a suspected terrorist who again, may not even have had a trial.
Sorry, forgot this existed
"That's totally my style of debate topic- present some indisputable fact that FOX News viewers dispute every day and hope some fly can't resist the ointment"
So you admit to being a coward who refuses to have a fair debate
Oh, forgot about this
That's totally my style of debate topic- present some indisputable fact that FOX News viewers dispute every day and hope some fly can't resist the ointment
I doubt anyone will accept considering Con has a much harder side but I changed the name anyways
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Oh...I just wanted to reuse an old debate from a few years ago I didn't realize it had expired
thanks :p
I could easily accept this debate and win based on your use of the present tense for the verb "violate." All provisions authorized by the Patriot Act are now expired and none are presently in effect. We can agree that the Republican's Patriot Act violated the Constitution but the Patriot Act violates nothing since it is no longer in effect.