Instigator / Pro
24
1501
rating
11
debates
27.27%
won
Topic
#3643

THBT: Conservatives are right

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
6
9
Better sources
10
8
Better legibility
4
5
Better conduct
4
5

After 5 votes and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

Intelligence_06
Tags
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
1
Time for argument
Two hours
Max argument characters
500
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
27
1731
rating
167
debates
73.05%
won
Description

No information

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

PRO fails to make any argument here. PRO's presentation is a tautology with the conclusion disguised to appear as an argument by deliberately incorrect use of grammar. We can confirm tautology by PRO's own reasoning

given that x is defined as y, x=y

That is not an argument. That is a statement of fact. CON's argument lacked clarity but correctly argued PRO's grammatical failure.

ARGs to CON since only CON made an any argument here.
GRAMAR to CON since PRO's statement of fact depended entirely on VOTERS ignoring his grammatical error. If PRO had used a correct form of the adjective, right-wing for example, the tautology would have been made plain and no rational debater would have accepted his unfalsifiable claim.

CONDUCT to CON. PRO made a debate 100% dependent on misdefinition but failed to define terms in DEFINITON and deliberately relied on an encyclopedia entry to define the word to further disguise the fact that he was relying on VOTER to ignore the incorrect usage.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

I think that it is entirely possible to win for Neg to win here, but I need an entire shell with standards and that gives me a reason to prefer contextual definitions. Without this I will say that both are right, so I should prefer broadness since if any version of the resolution is true Aff has proven it regardless of the coexisting counter interp. With two separate interpretations in the round, even if Neg is right they still do not directly disprove Aff's point.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

"13often capitalized : of, adhering to, or constituted by the Right especially in politics"

This is the final adjective entry in the only linl Con uses, it suppirts Pro 100% and was lied aboyt existing by Con.

It is therefore completely applicable what Pro did on Round 1.

There is nothing grammatically incorrect about say8ng 'Conservatives are' as it is a plural.

I also note that Pro never used capital R for right but if the Conservatives are right of the political spectrum, Con would at the absolute least need to prove that they are wrong or left to win the debate and went into neither.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

One round debates are extremely limited, particularly for the instigator who doesn’t get a chance to respond to their opponent. You built that into the structure of the debate, so you accept the consequences.

Pro presents a definition of “right” that they feel fits the resolution, though the lack of contextual analysis opens the door for Con to argue that the definitions are flawed. Con does argue that, and given that his definition contextually follows, it’s the strongest one in the debate and therefore wins the day. Pro tried to make the resolution a truism and Con demonstrated that isn’t, and since Pro has the BoP, their failure to uphold it automatically defaults the debate to Con.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Pro uses "right" as a noun, rather than the verb form that the grammar of the resolution (and Con), suggest. Since Pro uses the wrong definition and Con uses the right ones, Con wins the debate.