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#3665

The Aug 8th FBI SEARCH of MAR-a-LAGO was DUE PROCESS

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After 5 votes and with 35 points ahead, the winner is...

oromagi
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The Aug 8th FBI SEARCH of MAR-a-LAGO was DUE PROCESS

The Aug 8th FBI SEARCH of MAR-a-LAGO is "On August 8, 2022, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago, the residence of former U.S. president Donald Trump in Palm Beach, Florida. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_search_of_Mar-a-Lago

DUE PROCESS is "A legal concept where a person is ensured all legal rights when deprived of their liberty for a given reason."
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/due_process

BURDEN of PROOF

Wikipedia advises:
"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo. This is also stated in Hitchens's razor, which declares that "what may be asserted without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence." Carl Sagan proposed a related criterion – "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" – which is known as the Sagan standard."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

PRO must defend USFG claim of due process
CON must prove that the search of Mar-a-Lago and seizure of govt. documents was unreasonable or unwarranted in the Fourth Amendment sense of those standards.

PRO is requesting sincere and friendly engagement on this subject.
No trolls or kritiks, please.

- RULES --
1. Forfeit=auto loss
2. Sources may be merely linked in debate as long as citations are listed in comments
3. No new arguments in the final round, please
4. For all relevant terms, individuals should use commonplace understandings that fit within the rational context of this resolution and debate

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@whiteflame

Thx for voting

If whomever reported this debate wants to let us know what in the terms of service it violated, please do so. As is, there's no obvious problem.

full forfeit two days left

full forfeit. zero votes. five days left.

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@TWS1405

I'm sorry you are feeling so much emotion about this. Are you willing to debate this question? Yes or No?

Denialism. How gen-Z of you.

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@TWS1405

So show some balls and put a little skin in the game. If your understanding is correct, it should be an easy win for you.

Those are quotes from a legal case you twit.

And your rebuttal is nothing short of a genetic fallacy.

*facepalm*

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@TWS1405

Well since you're getting your info from questionable sources like Western Journal, I am not surprised you display so much ignorance on the subject. I would be happy to remake this debate and even give you the exact same R1 argument for your advantage if you'd like to debate this.

“Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President’s term and in his sole discretion,” Judge Jackson wrote.

“Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office, it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records,”

https://www.westernjournal.com/old-case-bill-clinton-hid-sock-drawer-unravel-fbis-mar-lago-raid/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=conservativetribune&utm_content=2022-08-18&utm_campaign=manualpost&fbclid=IwAR1tigLknpAPtY2NmLjgZ_jnXtst63do9D0QCQqyP0684ATmgxVkzDFuE3Q

PRO's ROUND1 SOURCES

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_search_of_Mar-a-Lago
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/due_process
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/unreasonable_search_and_seizure
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22131380-trump-warrant-unsealed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_magistrate_judge
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/12/us/trump-espionage-act-laws-fbi.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20220211142142/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/10/trump-records-classified/
https://web.archive.org/web/20220816211232/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/16/us/politics/trump-cipollone-philbin-interviews-fbi.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20220816211232/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/16/us/politics/trump-cipollone-philbin-interviews-fbi.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20220816211232/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/16/us/politics/trump-cipollone-philbin-interviews-fbi.html